Atrilliongames posing products
hjake
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I own 11 of atrilliongames posing products. All of them use posing scripts instead of poses.
1. If you want to save the pose you would save as a preset.
2. One of the products I own apparently not only applies the pose with the script it changes the shape and/or scale of the figure. https://www.daz3d.com/exhausted-people-poses-for-genesis-9-and-8
Therefore I infer that any Atrilliongames posing product which includes a script labeled "Reset Figure Shape" will probably alter the shape and/or size of the figure it is applied to.
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Funny, just bought my first pose set from them a few minutes ago, so good to know. Thanks!
Bother! I bought that pose set just the other day. Not going to bother to ask for a refund but I'll turf the poses from my runtime. Thanks for the info.
Some of the sets have longer descriptions, like this one:
https://www.daz3d.com/dragging-people-poses-volume-2-for-genesis-8
Among others it says:
"Because they adjust figure scaling, the scripts are gender-swap friendly, minimizing the corrections needed to adapt the poses when you apply them to 2 male or 2 female figures.
After installation, the poses will be available in both the pose folders for Genesis 8 Female and Genesis 8 Male. Also, pose icons include their .tip image (bigger and shown when the mouse is held over the standard pose icon)."
Whether the scaling is a good or a bad thing can be discussed (depends on the context I guess), but altering the shape is not IMO.
Just did a test video with two G9 M/F characters of almost equal height. The scaling does indeed make things easier but it was also quite simple to reset the scaling for both characters and modify the poses accordingly, where the final result is shown from 00:57 and onwards. For certain poses the modding will probably take quite a bit more work though.
https://app.screencast.com/cYi7gbXavvrmM
Applying this PA's pose will even override the lock I put on character's scale slider, anyone who used Daz for more than 3 weeks would know how to fix the minor distance dispartity caused by size difference from 2 figures by moving em around in the plane, or rig the limbs a little, but what this PA did was completely strain his customers' creativity freedom, that's why no one selling pose products ever conducted such thing.. Yes you can aruge it's not that hard to change my character's ratio back, but why would I waste my time for so many extra clicks when he could just simple leave his customer's figure ratio alone? it's like a super controlling driving coach doesn't allow his student to put his hands on the wheel, he insist to involve in every element of his action instead letting him find his own driving rythmn. I'm surprised so few people complained so far, but for me, will never buy another product from this PA again.
Oh, these days, I absolutely refuse to buy pose sets from atrilliongames because of their use of scripts to apply the poses.
It's a huge pain in the butt if you want to use only one pose out of the set (a lot of paired poses work fine as single poses), want to convert the poses to a different generation (won't work with most converters), or want to use a Ctrl+Click apply to only apply the pose to part of the figure.
The "oh, it's slightly more friendly for if your figure scales don't match" logic can go get stuffed. I don't suddenly want my short character to gain several inches. Also, so many poses (and particularly paired poses) need fine-tuning anyway to match the figure morph, so it's not like it actually saves any hassle.
And this is despite me normally being quite enthusiastic about paired pose sets. (I usually really heavily rework them when I use them, but they usually at least serve as inspiration). But ATG's sets are just made borderline useless to me because of the damned insistence on having those scripts.
Bought three pose sets from atrilliongames, and I will NEVER by another. I wish there were a comprehensive way to hide them.
Well I paid $1.99 for the set I bought, and at that price I think they're worth it. The poses as such are well done IMO and good as starting points if nothing else, so I'll pick up a few more sets of those available at this price.
I normally only buy poses if they are heavily discounted, for usually there are only a small number of the poses in a set I can use so I have bought over 1300 sets now over the years, in order to have enough useful poses to choose from.
So my opinion should be seen in that perspective.
I learned to check the description of Atrilliongames's poses very, very carefully and will only buy those without scripts. It's bad enough when such pose sets come as hierarchical pose sets, but scripts that change stuff that I did decide to use, because the result depends on it? No buy from me.
It is good advice to thoroughly read for all DAZ store descriptions before buying. If you are not certain what something in the description actually means then ask in the DAZ forums.
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Agreed - a real pain! BUT, some of the poses are complex and unique enough that it's worth just loading up a couple of default figures, applying his "poses" then saving them back out as regular poses (rotations only, plus body and hip translations)
I mean all this PA ever need to do is to stop buiiding those silly scripts and package his poses as is(like every PA selling poses) that would save him lots of work, sell tons more products, and make everyone happy.
That assumes you are the standard user - it may well be that others do in fact like this approach and are quite happy with the products as they are.
It is unlikely to be a popular approach. Otherwise if it was, surely all other PA's would have gone over to it, as opposed to just a single one?
Regards,
Richard
It requires a particular skill set, and there may well be a market for both approaches. But though it is always tempting (I am as prone to it as anyone) to say "Meet my needs and the money will roll in" it is not necessarily true.
I started this discussion because someone had mentioned about atrilliongames using scripts to apply poses and the one they used also altered the figure shape/scale. I went and looked at what they were talking about and confirmed the posing limitations. By the way, I found only two products in the atrilliongames store that had the Reset Shape script, so my assumption is they are the only ones that change shape/scale.
The products are good. In my opinion, the vendor was clear in their description. You can save a pose as a pose preset. The poses are complex.
I recommend atrilliongames products to anyone looking for a quick way to apply complex poses to their figures. However, I reiterate that it is important to read the description and make sure you understand it. If not, then delay your purchase and ask for help in the commons. I have missed a few bargains due to the delay, but as the label of another discussion says ... there is always another sale.
I have a few of their sets that don't have the script that modifies the characters, and they work pretty well. Now that I've been alerted to them, I definitely won't buy the ones that modify the characters.
I bought a bunch of their packs. imo the scripted pose approach is very nonstandard (would that work in future DS versions?) but the poses are also high quality and worth some conversion. Would be nice if the author could do it instead of all the shoppers individually doing it.
Well, the vendor "did the tricks" by using scripts... but I wonder why they wouldn't make it even better or more "applicable" to different user groups?
In fact, all the Pose Presets that the scripts call are within the data folder... If they placed the standard Pose Preset files in user-facing folders, I think that would make folks with different preferences happier.
i.e. if one prefers using the scripts, run them...while if one prefers "the traditional way', load the Pose Presets.
I personally prefer to the above latter way . I do think the poses per se were really well-made... I just don't like the way of fitting one figure to another's hug by shrinking the former's size 'cause there're a few much better ways ~~
That is an interesting proposal. The vendor could have included a pose preset for each pose and placed them in a separate folder.
Is sharing a pose preset a violations terms for a DAZ pose product? If yes, then why?
Yes, copyright.
Thank you for clarifying that.
I don't own any but I can be 100% certain they won't work in Carrara which will load duf poses but certainly not dsa