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Victoria 4 crashes Daz Studio

felisfelis Posts: 6,061
in Technical Help (nuts n bolts)

I only load Victoria 4 seldomly. Might be a good while since last.

But I wanted to try something and loaded her. And either when she was almost loaded or up to 5-10 seconds after loading (visible in viewport), Daz Studio crsahed to a crash window.

I tried to reinstall Victoria 4.2 Base, but that didn't change anything.

The DS log just showed a normal load.

And the crash happended in both latest 4.24 and latest 4.24 public build.

Looking at the cload log (from the crash report), there was a number of "Could not adjust thumbnail path from support path: /Runtime/Support/DAZ_3D_" but my guess is it is because I don't log into Daz Studio.

It is not an emergency to be able to load V4, but I wonder if it could be something worse. 

Anyone who has any suggestions, or should I just make a ticket?

Comments

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 109,068

    How did you install?

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 109,068

    Never mind, it did the same here. I was sure I had used it more recently than the last update.

  • felisfelis Posts: 6,061

    Ah, good to know. I thought it was something locally.

  • jjoynerjjoyner Posts: 767
    edited July 2025

    I just loaded Victoria 4.2 into Daz Studio 4.24.0.3 Public Build with no problems.

    Post edited by jjoyner on
  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 9,689

    I don't have any problem either with 4.24. Maybe some plugin is the culprit.

  • BejaymacBejaymac Posts: 1,964
    edited July 2025

    How are you loading it ?

    EXP based figures have two problems in DS4.

    First is Power Loader, it hasn't worked right since DS4.0, the problem is that it is meant to read the PZ2 files in the runtime folder, instead it heads into the data folder looking for DSF files, and will load anything it finds in there instead of the PZ2 files. We first learned of this issue when people complained about not being able to load the Sub Dragon, instead they got the LE that's part of the Genesis Starter Essentials, the remedy from DAZ was for users to delete the DSB script file and to stop using Power Loader.

    Second issue is that since 4.12 they all generate over a dozen circular link errors, this is due to changes made to the Poser Import plugin when the IK system was added to DS4.

    AFAIK there have been no fixes for either issue,

    Post edited by Bejaymac on
  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 9,689

    Bejaymac said:

    How are you loading it ?

    EXP based figures have two problems in DS4.

    First is Power Loader, it hasn't worked right since DS4.0, the problem is that it is meant to read the PZ2 files in the runtime folder, instead it heads into the data folder looking for DSF files, and will load anything it finds in there instead of the PZ2 files. We first learned of this issue when people complained about not being able to load the Sub Dragon, instead they got the LE that's part of the Genesis Starter Essentials, the remedy from DAZ was for users to delete the DSB script file and to stop using Power Loader.

    Second issue is that since 4.12 they all generate over a dozen circular link errors, this is due to changes made to the Poser Import plugin when the IK system was added to DS4.

    AFAIK there have been no fixes for either issue,

    PowerLoader works as expected on my side. I can choose to load various group of morphs in the PowerLoader dialogue. All pz2 files are loaded with no issue ~~ Then I don't know about the circular link errors. I didn't find any error or warning messages in DS log... where to identify the error ?

    Besides, I don't thing either of the above "issues" shoud lead to a DS crash. 

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,458

    I don't know if it's related but the order in which you add runtimes to your library is important, the one with V4 or any of the other generation 4 figure base loads, deltas, Powerloader etc  must be above any others with content for them particulary morphs
    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/312236/solved-m4-critical-error-while-trying-to-load-him

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 9,689

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    I don't know if it's related but the order in which you add runtimes to your library is important, the one with V4 or any of the other generation 4 figure base loads, deltas, Powerloader etc  must be above any others with content for them particulary morphs
    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/312236/solved-m4-critical-error-while-trying-to-load-him

    Ah, so you mean the order of Daz Libraries under Poser Formats ?  I moved the library where all V4/M4 are installed to the bottom of 3 libraries under Poser Formats, loading V4/M4 still worked well with no issue ~

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,458

    crosswind said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    I don't know if it's related but the order in which you add runtimes to your library is important, the one with V4 or any of the other generation 4 figure base loads, deltas, Powerloader etc  must be above any others with content for them particulary morphs
    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/312236/solved-m4-critical-error-while-trying-to-load-him

    Ah, so you mean the order of Daz Libraries under Poser Formats ?  I moved the library where all V4/M4 are installed to the bottom of 3 libraries under Poser Formats, loading V4/M4 still worked well with no issue ~

    others including Richard said the same but putting it above the others did work for those having issues

    which suggests it is something in the content of those other libraries causing the issue

    but finding out just what given how many third party products we all had would be impossible

    I myself have stuff from Content Paradise, Poserworld, RDNA,  Renderosity and a plethora of smaller site, many defunct so have no hope of finding the culprit

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 9,689

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    crosswind said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    I don't know if it's related but the order in which you add runtimes to your library is important, the one with V4 or any of the other generation 4 figure base loads, deltas, Powerloader etc  must be above any others with content for them particulary morphs
    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/312236/solved-m4-critical-error-while-trying-to-load-him

    Ah, so you mean the order of Daz Libraries under Poser Formats ?  I moved the library where all V4/M4 are installed to the bottom of 3 libraries under Poser Formats, loading V4/M4 still worked well with no issue ~

    others including Richard said the same but putting it above the others did work for those having issues

    which suggests it is something in the content of those other libraries causing the issue

    but finding out just what given how many third party products we all had would be impossible

    I myself have stuff from Content Paradise, Poserworld, RDNA,  Renderosity and a plethora of smaller site, many defunct so have no hope of finding the culprit

    Hmm, got it.  I just have a few of them ~ 

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 109,068

    Almost certainly a plug-in issue - it loads if I use http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dazstudio/4/referenceguide/scripting/api_reference/samples/plugins/plugins_load_config/start to knock out al the additional plug-ins. Now I just need to work out which are guilty, probably soemthing I have added since it last worked (I'd already tried disabling the Yellow and the Premier Shape/Pose Transfer plug-ins without resolving the issue, so not them).

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 109,068

    Hmm, it appears to be UltraScatter 2 - disabled all the plug-ins, just reactivated that one, restarted DS and got a crash when V4 finished loading.

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 9,689

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Hmm, it appears to be UltraScatter 2 - disabled all the plug-ins, just reactivated that one, restarted DS and got a crash when V4 finished loading.

    Awesome ! yes

    I don't have it ~ 

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 109,068

    Bejaymac said:

    How are you loading it ?

    EXP based figures have two problems in DS4.

    First is Power Loader, it hasn't worked right since DS4.0, the problem is that it is meant to read the PZ2 files in the runtime folder, instead it heads into the data folder looking for DSF files, and will load anything it finds in there instead of the PZ2 files. We first learned of this issue when people complained about not being able to load the Sub Dragon, instead they got the LE that's part of the Genesis Starter Essentials, the remedy from DAZ was for users to delete the DSB script file and to stop using Power Loader.

    Second issue is that since 4.12 they all generate over a dozen circular link errors, this is due to changes made to the Poser Import plugin when the IK system was added to DS4.

    AFAIK there have been no fixes for either issue,

    I am not seeing any sign of these issues in a vanilla Victori 4.2 and shapes++, at least.

  • BejaymacBejaymac Posts: 1,964
    edited July 2025

    Using 4.24 without Power loader this is what I get in the log

    2025-07-27 23:12:26.992 [INFO] :: Attempted to create a circular link: hip:PBMGluteus <==> Victoria 4.2:PBMGluteus while importing Poser File
    2025-07-27 23:12:26.992 [INFO] :: Attempted to create a circular link: hip:PBMRectusFemorus <==> Victoria 4.2:PBMRectusFemorus while importing Poser File
    2025-07-27 23:12:26.992 [INFO] :: Attempted to create a circular link: hip:PBMSartorius <==> Victoria 4.2:PBMSartorius while importing Poser File
    2025-07-27 23:12:26.992 [INFO] :: Attempted to create a circular link: abdomen:PBMExternalOblique <==> Victoria 4.2:PBMExternalOblique while importing Poser File
    2025-07-27 23:12:26.993 [INFO] :: Attempted to create a circular link: abdomen:PBMRectusAbdominus <==> Victoria 4.2:PBMRectusAbdominus while importing Poser File
    2025-07-27 23:12:26.993 [INFO] :: Attempted to create a circular link: abdomen:PBMSerratus <==> Victoria 4.2:PBMSerratus while importing Poser File
    2025-07-27 23:12:26.993 [INFO] :: Attempted to create a circular link: abdomen:PBMErectorSpinae <==> Victoria 4.2:PBMErectorSpinae while importing Poser File
    2025-07-27 23:12:26.993 [INFO] :: Attempted to create a circular link: chest:PBMTrapezius <==> Victoria 4.2:PBMTrapezius while importing Poser File
    2025-07-27 23:12:26.993 [INFO] :: Attempted to create a circular link: chest:PBMDeltoid <==> Victoria 4.2:PBMDeltoid while importing Poser File
    2025-07-27 23:12:26.993 [INFO] :: Attempted to create a circular link: chest:PBMPectoral <==> Victoria 4.2:PBMPectoral while importing Poser File
    2025-07-27 23:12:26.993 [INFO] :: Attempted to create a circular link: chest:PBMTeres <==> Victoria 4.2:PBMTeres while importing Poser File
    2025-07-27 23:12:26.993 [INFO] :: Attempted to create a circular link: chest:PBMTeresMajor <==> Victoria 4.2:PBMTeresMajor while importing Poser File
    2025-07-27 23:12:26.993 [INFO] :: Attempted to create a circular link: chest:PBMLatissimus <==> Victoria 4.2:PBMLatissimus while importing Poser File

    And that is on a clean install of V4.

    Post edited by Bejaymac on
  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 5,521

    I did not install Victoria 4.2 or Michael 4 on my new machines because of the massive number of files that need metadata, but with this issue, is it still possible for someone who wants to use the characters to move them up to Genesis or Genesis 2 with GenX? I am not sure, but I thought I had read GenX was not working any longer? But if you uninstalled your plugin long enough to load the character and move her up to a newer model, could you then reinstall the plug-in and use both at the same time?

  • LeanaLeana Posts: 12,909
    edited July 2025

    GenX2 does still work in 4.24. Someone posted a thread about it not working recently but that was because they had both GenX2 and the original GenX installed, which causes problems.

    Post edited by Leana on
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