Give Madison some luv - or not
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It's Madison 9 - Madison 9 | Daz 3D New character from DAZ. First thing I have to say, her chest surely stands out. Not much else to say. She has a great tan?
Used to be when a new DAZ character came out there was discussion, but not much anymore. Too many of them maybe? I might pick her up when the Premium coupons renew in August, but not too sure yet.
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I picked her up and working on some renders. Been a while for me, having spent in the last few weeks. She's definitely one of the bustiest DO models I've seen lately. She cannot see her feet when she stands straight and looks down, and her feet are not tiny.
I agree. I put a lot more emphasis on the face model, the skins and any unique models over anything else. With even just a handful of morphing products you can make any kind of body you'd like.
https://www.daz3d.com/madison-9
https://www.daz3d.com/madison-9-hd-add-on
I find the Genesis 9 and HD add-on situation confusing. I thought when they brought out the Genesis 9 generation the base characters included HD? I thought that was one of the selling points. HD meant better expressions and poses. So why are they sold as separate items.
https://www.daz3d.com/blog/a-first-look-at-whats-coming-in-genesis-9
Well, Daz had a plan. But plans can be changed, and in came Premier...
Yeah I've called Daz out on that before. All the Genesis 9 models should come with the HD version, like they used to. At some point a while back they decided to separate them. I recall it being around the time Kara 9 was released. It annoys me for bundles because they could easily place another item in there instead of the HD Addon, which should just be a baseline thing like it used to be.
Madison 9? My wallet jumps for joy. No use for pumped-up lips and breasts, no thank you.
exactly that. what makes it even worse is that they use the HD add-on as part of the character package, thus, in effect, reducing the overall number of products in the bundle. I've been trying to buy "HD" characters with it already built in. How much extra memory space in a full HD character versus one you have to add the HD to. .
Ok. Understood. You sell what sells. I also did not make it clear in my last post that I do understand the HD "details" do not really show up unless you do a close up of that body part, but it was part of the why Genesis 9 is so great so I was just wondering if they ever made comment about the separation or they just went back to the Genesis 8 plus HD product marketing without comment but kept the higher prices.
Madison is very nice, but I can easily create that shape with existing morphs. So to me the question is more do I really want the new texture.
I gotta say the release of Calum 9 had me hopeful we might finally see DAZ take another crack at a fantasy barbarian character in the tradition of Rune 7. How stupid.
Madison's skin looks alright, I guess.
The rest really looks like a 5 minute dial-spin character made by one of those artists that release 3 characters per week with the same skin.
Gotta say DAZ recent output, at least the female characters, has been a series of my least favorite characters (with some exceptions with regards to cool add-on materials and grafts like Ava and Lauryn) of this generation.
If you mean these characters then I don't see the freckles, but then again I do had a lot of white-out on my screen.
https://www.daz3d.com/lianna-9
https://www.daz3d.com/lyna-9
I could not find a Genesis 9 Lauren, but I did find these:
https://www.daz3d.com/ng-freckles-for-genesis-9-and-merchant-resource
https://www.daz3d.com/skin-detailer-for-genesis-9-merchant-resource
https://www.daz3d.com/victoria-9-hd
https://www.daz3d.com/mw-manon-for-genesis-9
https://www.daz3d.com/urhd-orla-hd-for-genesis-9
https://www.daz3d.com/koo-sarah-hd-for-genesis-9
https://www.daz3d.com/cj-florin-hd-for-genesis-9
https://www.daz3d.com/cj-luna-hd-for-genesis-9
https://www.daz3d.com/cj-wren-for-genesis-9
https://www.daz3d.com/ry-riley-hd-for-genesis-9
maybe I should have been looking for Lauryn? https://www.daz3d.com/lauryn-9
Product package memory space is more about 4K and 8K textures. Also, maybe a lot of normal maps during render time.
Ah, I meant Lauryn 9. Spelled non traditionally. She comes with freckle options, but Lianna and Lyna do not. Madison does, if you like that. I think they look good on her. However, they're really just on her face, and not all over, like Lauryn, and not as clustered.
Hehehe .. as you were replying I was updating my post.
Thanks to everyone for their feedback. It is less lonely here in my Maytag repair office.
I really like the dForce Lena Festival Curls and Braid, but the rest of the bundle is not really my taste.
Madison herself might be useful to me as a "mix shape", but there's little chance I would ever use the character "as is".
Nothing meaningful on disk. SD morphs are so small compared to HD morphs that it basically doesn't matter if a character's shape is split into SD and HD rather than just one HD morph: Victoria 9's SD head and body morphs add up to 1.5 MB. Her Lvl4 HD head and body morphs are 165 MB between them.
If her SD morphs were actually compressed (they're not), they would be even less than that. (In theory, you should expect a ratio of about 1 to 256, as each level of HD contains 4 times more information than the last)
As a general rule, on disk, a character's SD morphs are irrelevant compared to their textures and HD morphs, although which of those comes out on top can vary depending on the resolution of each and the number of texture options. In this case, the entirety of V9's SD morphs (including all her correctives) are about 4.5 MB, her textures are about 80 MB and her full HD morphs are 171 MB (including nipples and a couple of thigh correctives).
At render time? No difference whatsoever; the morphs themselves are not passed to Iray, only the final merged figure shape is, and the morphs don't change the amount of geometry, so it doesn't matter how many were used to make it.
I liked the look of her. But isn't she just a bustier version of Victoria 9?
Keeping my fingers crossed for a Kenji 9...?... Yuzuru 9... ? ... Lilith 9?... Please?
I hope we get a Lilith 9 soon.
Maybe she's the new The Girl 9?
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her tanned skin with freckles looks nice, I guess?
nothing about her shape appeals to me.
Here's a few renders. I think she's okay. Used my free bundle coupon so at least there's that.
Without an extra discount for owning all the $1 starter bundles there is no real incentive for me to buy.
SMH... I've had to use Scene Optimiser on her... Which I H.A.T.E. using (Not hating on it. It's been a bit of a lifeline. I would just prefer my renders to be intact, with everything at full res). Rendering as I post.
Meh. Daz continue to differentiate their Original line from artists who don't even have access to the HD tools. Lately, I find most (not all) of the Daz's Original character bundles terribly disappointing in how they far they stray from the strengths of their own product.
Colour me bewildered.
Madison feels like a lower-tier release compared to other recent core figures. The morph appears quite basic: almost replicable with just 100% Breast Large and Lip Fullness sliders.
The included textures seem blurry and underspecified for current generation standards, especially when compared to characters like Sylvia 9 or Xiao. Despite Madison's files claiming 8K resolution, detail levels (especially in areas like the nose or hands) look closer to what you'd expect from a 2K or 1K texture.
If you're curious, you might want to compare the diffuse arms texture or head normal maps from Madison vs. Sylvia 9 (or Xiao, Callum, Julian...) to judge for yourself.
(Attached) That's the best coming out of my computer today.
Big breasted bimbo...meh, too much of the same as usual.
I love how they show the hands and the feet like there is supposed to be some detail there.....and there isn't. LOL
I have been adding realistic details to some of the textures i use the most with AI, makes a world of difference.
First image is the base promo for Madison, the second is enhanced and what would make me want to purchase her more.
I like her shape and her skin for the most part, but it's nothing I can't create myself.
I would prefer if the plastic surgery lips were a morph option, but I guess they can be morphed thinner too with the DO morph package. She does look nice though.
Yeah, the lighting is way off to see any detail and it's too far zoomed out. One of the whole points to using G9 is having the HD quality for closeups. But I guess its fitting because, technically, the Madison 9 product isn't HD because you need to get the HD Addon, too. Her skin is pretty good so worth picking up just for that. As for the shape, she is indeed easy to recreate, but that's the same thing for pretty much all the shapes lately. So that one's par for the course, for me anyway.