When art takes over your brain

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  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    I found myself counting how many women were wearing heels. :)

    I'd been having a discussion on them.

    So while I went outside last night to look at the clouds, because of all the fantastic shades of grey; other aspects, such as composition, and believability also play a part in stopping me and making me consider stuff. Sadly I didn't think to take my phone for a shot.

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,119
    edited October 2015
    CypherFOX said:

    Greetings,

    <way off topic>I usually notice shoes in an elevator at work, or something like that, when I'm trying not to look at people.  Not so good with the social graces, this one. :-/

    As for slip-ons, the best shoes I've ever had were my Puma Mostro Perf sneakers in black.  Velcro straps for super-easy slip on/off, stretchy enough that I didn't even need to strap/unstrap them most of the time, and dressy enough to be worn to interviews.  Unfortunately they have nearly zero padding, and my feet are no longer able to survive that, even with add-ins.  I found myself in serious agony at the end of the day, knee trouble, everything.  Bought a pair of Nikes with a huge sole, lots of soft padding, and most of the problems have evaporated... :(  Still, I love the Mostro Perf's, and highly recommend them.</way off topic>

    The truth is that everything changes how we view the world; it took around a decade after my TV classes (and my mom working electronics in a college TV studio) before I could really enjoy a live TV show without thinking about what the technical director was doing behind the scenes, and how the show was being blocked and such.

    I'm fascinated when I fly by how well the channels in mountains simulate fractals, or vice versa... :)

    It's really nice having my boys (5 and 7), because there's absolutely nothing that can simulate the way they look, their behavior, and completely chaotic reactions, so I don't get that slight feeling of unreality with them, ever. :)

    I was at the office the other day, and the President was coming into town, apparently staying a block or two from my office.  There were police cars at the intersections, blue and red lights spinning, barricades up, streets past them bare, and I started cataloging what I'd need to create that scene in DAZ...  Few people, so it would be low on system resources...the police outfit, the police car (a texture and add-on set for another car, IIRC), the barricades, Stonemason's Urban 2 set, a few scraggly street-trees, some grime brushes...  I wanted to take a picture with my phone, so I could block it out on my computer, but again, that part of my brain that goes, 'WTF are you THINKING?' stopped me, probably preventing a side-tackle from a nice police officer. :)

    --  Morgan

    I agree.  Understanding something gives a different view from those who don't.  I often catch myself considering the complications underlying technical things.  Like what's going on in a computer when I press a key.  Or even what's going on inside a single transistor (wonderful quantum truths) or the marvelous mathematics behind something so simple as FM radio.  I also realize that knowing these things brings me a level of beauty that others never see, but at the price of not seeing the thing for it's magic instead of for how it works.  I see the trees and sometimes miss the forest.

    Music is something that I partially understand the trees but can still see the beauty of the forest.  I know enough of music to have a glimmer of how it's created but never mastered it but I revel in the majesty of the emotions well designed music can evoke.  I sometimes feel sorry for professional muscians who primarily see the structure of music but may have difficulty closing their minds to the structure to appreciate the magic & emotion created within naive listeners.

    Fifty years ago I had a class in electricity transmission but still today I can't look at high voltage multi-phase electricity transmission lines running over the countryside without envisioning the rotating magnetic fields surrounding them like a giant screw.  A beauty that is missed by the untutored. 

    Art can attempt to express the emotions of a thing perceived with the senses but how would it express things perceived with the mind like the beauty of a Fourier Transform or a "tunneling" electron, or a well designed computer subroutine.

     

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  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,088
    Vladimir Horiwitz. If you don't play the piano, you are unlikely to grasp how insanely skilled he was. He took a complex piece and embellished it greatly (Hungarian Rhapsody by Liszt, who apparently exists to make pianists cry). He often sounds like two people playing at once. But if you don't play the piano... none of that is obvious.
  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310
    @leathergryphon I think a professional musician might feel sorry for you for not seeing the beauty of the structure of music. ;) Not that I am a professional, but my favorite composer is Rameau, in part because the only way I can describe his music is perfect. Not as a value judgement, but in terms of structure and balance
  • j cade said:
    @leathergryphon I think a professional musician might feel sorry for you for not seeing the beauty of the structure of music. ;) Not that I am a professional, but my favorite composer is Rameau, in part because the only way I can describe his music is perfect. Not as a value judgement, but in terms of structure and balance

    I sort of agree with you but then I thought about the issue some more and realized that I'm coming from a technical background and I find the art in things whose purpose is structure, not art.  Whereas, music is an art whose structure is not its purpose.  But beauty is in the eye of the beholder and we're discussing two sides of the coin here.

  • daveleitzdaveleitz Posts: 459
    CypherFOX said:

    Greetings,

    <way off topic>I usually notice shoes in an elevator at work, or something like that, when I'm trying not to look at people.  Not so good with the social graces, this one. :-/

    As for slip-ons, the best shoes I've ever had were my Puma Mostro Perf sneakers in black.  Velcro straps for super-easy slip on/off, stretchy enough that I didn't even need to strap/unstrap them most of the time, and dressy enough to be worn to interviews.  Unfortunately they have nearly zero padding, and my feet are no longer able to survive that, even with add-ins.  I found myself in serious agony at the end of the day, knee trouble, everything.  Bought a pair of Nikes with a huge sole, lots of soft padding, and most of the problems have evaporated... :(  Still, I love the Mostro Perf's, and highly recommend them.</way off topic>

    The truth is that everything changes how we view the world; it took around a decade after my TV classes (and my mom working electronics in a college TV studio) before I could really enjoy a live TV show without thinking about what the technical director was doing behind the scenes, and how the show was being blocked and such.

    I'm fascinated when I fly by how well the channels in mountains simulate fractals, or vice versa... :)

    It's really nice having my boys (5 and 7), because there's absolutely nothing that can simulate the way they look, their behavior, and completely chaotic reactions, so I don't get that slight feeling of unreality with them, ever. :)

    I was at the office the other day, and the President was coming into town, apparently staying a block or two from my office.  There were police cars at the intersections, blue and red lights spinning, barricades up, streets past them bare, and I started cataloging what I'd need to create that scene in DAZ...  Few people, so it would be low on system resources...the police outfit, the police car (a texture and add-on set for another car, IIRC), the barricades, Stonemason's Urban 2 set, a few scraggly street-trees, some grime brushes...  I wanted to take a picture with my phone, so I could block it out on my computer, but again, that part of my brain that goes, 'WTF are you THINKING?' stopped me, probably preventing a side-tackle from a nice police officer. :)

    --  Morgan

    I agree.  Understanding something gives a different view from those who don't.  I often catch myself considering the complications underlying technical things.  Like what's going on in a computer when I press a key.  Or even what's going on inside a single transistor (wonderful quantum truths) or the marvelous mathematics behind something so simple as FM radio.  I also realize that knowing these things brings me a level of beauty that others never see, but at the price of not seeing the thing for it's magic instead of for how it works.  I see the trees and sometimes miss the forest.

    Music is something that I partially understand the trees but can still see the beauty of the forest.  I know enough of music to have a glimmer of how it's created but never mastered it but I revel in the majesty of the emotions well designed music can evoke.  I sometimes feel sorry for professional muscians who primarily see the structure of music but may have difficulty closing their minds to the structure to appreciate the magic & emotion created within naive listeners.

    Fifty years ago I had a class in electricity transmission but still today I can't look at high voltage multi-phase electricity transmission lines running over the countryside without envisioning the rotating magnetic fields surrounding them like a giant screw.  A beauty that is missed by the untutored. 

    Art can attempt to express the emotions of a thing perceived with the senses but how would it express things perceived with the mind like the beauty of a Fourier Transform or a "tunneling" electron, or a well designed computer subroutine.

     

    Wonderful post!  I would suggest that knowledge only increases the wonder, at least for me.  Having watched expert painters work and explain their techniques never took away the magic I feel when viewing the finished artworks.

  • EtriganEtrigan Posts: 603
    edited October 2015

    I sometimes wonder if this isn't a "chicken-and-egg" issue. Do we develop a heightened sense for color, shadow, framing because we find ourselves drawn to art; or, are we drawn to art because we're - brain-wise - aware and conscious of these things. As a toddler, I was terrified by the demonic faces in the Victorian cabbage rose wallpaper in my room. I have always been, by nature, a people watcher, noticed patterns in clouds, leaves, etc. They call it Pareidolia; But, this heightened sense of what we see is more than simply an "artistic bent". You are also, and I generalize, more sensitive to many "inputs". You are likely more sensitive to the crying child, the arguing couple, the office dynamic. Artistics are the mystics, shaman, psychics in our society. As our world becomes more secular, it is the artists who have visions, see beyond the norm; but, no longer have to conceal their talents behind a religious veil. I'm betting that your choice of music, or silence, drives/affects your art. You/we are empaths and feel light, shadow, contrast, harmony. 

    That said, it's still a bit disconcerting when looking at a person's face and analysing what dials to spin to get those lips, those eyes, that smile. 

    Face it, we're the mutants in a blind world. I pity those humans who, for whatever reason, don't marvel at the night sky as they walk, or catch their breath as the moon displays her wonderous face as she slips to her slumber. 

    We are different, we are unique, we are special; and ... we are legion!

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  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634

    My dog rather requires me to get outside in all sorts of stupid hours. (I miss having a backyard, man. At our house I could just open the back door. But it's better for me)

     

    no the backyard is just a big extenstion to the big kennel he lives in, being the house. It is better for you both. :P Great photo.

  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,667

    When I was starting with Poser I was in a shop one day and glanced at a woman in the queue wearing high heels. My first thought was that she'd got it exactly right, the toes and heels of both shoes were on the floor, not hovering above or sinking into the ground. It's so difficult to get that right on both feet at once!

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,085
    edited October 2015

    I'm quite concerned by the fact that nobody noticed the weird little robot hiding behind the tree in the foreground...

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  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,088

    Nicely done!

     

  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    McGyver said:

    I'm quite concerned by the fact that nobody noticed the weird little robot hiding behind the tree in the foreground...

    I thought it was a tree hugger

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,088

    I tell you, that would make walks with the dog much more entertaining. And better cardio.

     

    (And yeah, the hydrants around here are weird)

     

  • DarkSpartanDarkSpartan Posts: 1,096

    That moment for me struck in of all places, a Dunkin' Donuts in 2007... We'd gotten our coffee and bagel, and were sitting in the car, when a woman we'd seen inside came back out, and I remarked on how much of a bitch it would have been to make the transmap for it.

    My erstwhile companion shot hot coffee out of her nose, and very nearly laughed herself to death.

  • takezo_3001takezo_3001 Posts: 2,027
    j cade said:

    I notice the clouds more.  Where I lived in NY before I got into Daz, we never had great cloud formations and most of the year was overcast and just dreary.  What clouds you could see were obscured by hills. Now I live in FL down near the very bottom and near the coast and we get some amazing cloud formations.  Another added benefit is that I'm now on flat land and you can see everything for miles!!!!  I've learned to take my camera or phone everywhere because you never know whay you will see next.  We also have some pretty amazing sunrises and sunsets here.

    Hey, don't knock NY we have some great clouds... I will admit the day being a hour shorter due to mountains thing is a real problem. On the other hand I do think autumn in the northeast can't be beat.

     

     

    Hear, hear, bright orange and reds for as far as the eye can see, though the southeast is not without it's orange vistas as well, but northern Calf is dull as far as autumn is concerned..I do prefer cloudy weather though and am always staring at the sky as the southeast has glorious cloudscapes!

  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281
    edited October 2015

    I often find myself staring at the beautiful scenery we have around here, and instead of just enjoying the scene and how lovely it is, my brain starts trying to recreate it with stuff in my runtime. And then I'll picture a robot standing over there under that tree, and next to it is a hot looking woman in a cool Smay fullbody suit with awesome guns. 

     

    edit: and oh yeah, I've actually had dreams where I am rendering myself. 

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  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604

    Just have to share theses.  I am always looking at the sky and the clouds. Living at 1299 ft it is easy to do this.  I had remoarked several times about thje beautiful sunset we had the other evening, only to fidn that I wasn't the only one impressed as the BBC decided to sahre some of the photos that they were sent showing it.  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-34508417

    An those are real, not CG, fantastic.   Now I just need to try and duplicate in an image

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,085
    edited October 2015

    A long time ago at the old (old-old) forums, someone posted a link to an interesting video where there was a fellow inside a holo deck sort of modeling program making things from within... It was actually kind of neat because the reason he was doing it was the real story (I'm not explaining much in case someone comes across it later, I don't want to ruin it). The cool thing was how he was "conducting" the construction with gestures and floating menus... Which is probably how we'll be doing this 3D stuff when we all get our iMplants in a few years, but it was a pretty cool idea and a bit of it must of stuck to some neurons somewhere in my brain, because about a year or two ago I had a dream where I was inside one of my big models retexturing it and adding details... My interface was different in that you were physically handling the virtual texture tiles from a floating stack... I was getting so annoyed because in the dream I liked the the interface from the video better, the textures could be spread out so you could see multiple tiles at once, the dream interface would "suck" the tile back to the stack if you let go. I was so annoyed by the crappy design and that one of the columns wouldn't lathe into a shape the way I set it up...   I guess my frustration with real programs and obnoxious UIs spilled over into my dream. Still it was neat to be inside a model I was actually working on in real life (well, on the computer in real life)... To be honest, it was actually tiring too, because it was one of those dreams that goes on well after the novelty has worn off and it became more like work... When I woke up I actually felt like I was walking around inside the the thing (it's rather big), and I felt like I didn't really get much rest.

     

    EDITED TO ADD-  I actually managed to find the video... It's called "World Builder" and it's still on YouTube- http://youtu.be/QP3YywgRx5A  In case anyone is interested.

    I guess I remembered the video a little different than it actually was... Less floating menus and different UI... But it's still close.

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  • CypherFOXCypherFOX Posts: 3,401

    Greetings,

    Despite my obsessive spending here, I bemoan my lack of spare funds to be able to invest in a DK2; I would love to take a 'walk' around Stonemason's Chinatown, or Faveral's Alsace, or anything like that.

    Not making software for others, just...putting in props and scenes for my own exploration.

    One day...

    --  Morgan

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,088

    I have not a few times looked at the sky and thought 'wow, what a terrible render. You can see banding on those clouds...' And then... oh.

    I remind myself of that when considering 'realistic' skies -- some skies look really weird. Undulations in cloud cover, angles of sun, all of it can produce artificial-looking patterns.

     

     

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,085
    edited October 2015

    Textures to me are one of the big make or break details, and since I use a lot of tiling textures, trying to find ways of not having them look repetitious is pretty important... I remember last week I went to a big (huge )meeting hall, it was carpeted with some older commercial carpeting, which was similar to a texture I was trying to make... I was very annoyed because I couldn't get the right amount of cloud noise (I was using Filter Forge) scaled enough to look like the carpet, but randomized enough to not repeat too often... I finally settled on a setting and moved on, so later when I'm standing around in the hall, I look at the pattern in the carpeting.... It's a big open area with no furniture or anything, and as I look at it, I notice that as it goes off into the distance, you can actually see a moiré pattern... So I'm looking at it thinking "mine looks better"... Then realizing, this is real, not a texture... What an idiot. But I've done it a couple of times, looking at real texture in real life and thinking "they weren't trying, it's unconvincing"... Or something stupid like that.

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  • daveleitzdaveleitz Posts: 459

    It's interesting reading the comments in this thread and thinking how the act of creating art (renders, etc.) makes us look more closely at the world around us, makes us better observers of the things that interest us.

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,088

    I think it applies to a lot of things. If your business is heating systems, you start seeing buildings and houses differently, too. Or whatever your avocation/vocation is.

     

  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,667

    I think it applies to a lot of things. If your business is heating systems, you start seeing buildings and houses differently, too. Or whatever your avocation/vocation is.

     

    It can happen if you play videogames too much. Back when I was playing the original Populous game in most of my spare time I would sometimes look at a landscape and think left click there, right click there to get a nice level surface.

  • I find myself watching people pose and move. I was fascinated particularly by a young man sitting at a bus stop, stretching his neck muscles -- because he seemed to have a degree of flexibility I didn't think possible. I was thinking while watching him bend his head back, "Wow, that's like a 25 degree head bend. I need to increase the limits on my figures' heads."

  • daveleitz said:

    Nature is a bit messy.  Photographers tend to minimize as much as possible the elements in a scene that can distract from the intended subject.  Less is More being the general rule of thumb, even CG artists can learn from the old masters of photography.  Composition and lighting have a greater impact on the appeal of an image than how many elements we can cram into a scene.  While CG enthusiasts try to recreate manikins with extremely detailed pores, photographers and painters focus on the personality of their subjects.  In the end, of course, it's all subjective in a sense, depending on the intended audience.

    I count myself as lucky to have at one time developed my own black and white film and printed in my own darkroom.  When the cost is more than simply time spent on a computer, one tends to be a bit more rigorous about the quality of images in which chemistry and paper get invested.  Not saying that a picture has to be a masterpiece, but there's often some kind of sentimental attachment to the captured moment that goes beyond how "real" it looks.

    I suppose that one could say the same thing about quality printing today.  I have a friend with a nice Epson inkjet printer who uses it for archival quality prints from his Nikon setup.  That ain't cheap!  I suppose the real question I would ask is, "Would you spend the money to print the render?  Would you spend the money to get that print framed properly?"  Having put some of my own paintings in very nice frames, I must admit that no render I've ever made would be worth that kind of investment.

    Chemical photography seems like ancient history now, but I started out developing my own contact prints in the late 50s when I was 12. My parent's camera used 620 film that produced  (I think) 3.5x2.5 inch negatives.  Black & white chemistry in 4x5 inch enameled metal trays in the family fruit cellar that also served as my darkroom.  I bought bigger trays and made an enlarger from cardboard tubes and lenses bought through the Edmund Scientific Co. catalog.  It made terrible enlargements!  By the time I was 30 I was doing my own color developing and printing with some very nice equipment.  However, I sold it all for a pittance at auction after digital took over.  But I really enjoyed knowing how it was done.  But I'd never go back.  Fiddling with Photoshop is sooooooo much easier than changing color filters or tweaking color dials on a color enlarger head, then spend 30 minutes developing, drying, comparing, each iteration and then repeating until you get it right. 

    Yup, I know where you are comming from.  I used to do the same thing in my younger years. I wonder what will be next after digital.  Maybe more holographc type artwork...who knows..

    heartheart

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,088

    Yeah, I find myself staring at interesting hair or skin color and trying not to be a creep. There's a certain gold skin color some people have, either mixed race or certain permutations of hispanic or Indian, that I find really cool-looking.

    As for video games, I remember having lots of Tetris and other dreams in high school. Ha.

    Photography: My father kept going through 'phases.' Looking back on it now, I think he was desperate to find some sort of creative, fulfilling outlet, and nothing ever quite clicked (though he did play piano). One of those phases was photography, and he actually built an elaborate darkroom in the basement (which then was abandoned and gathered dust for many years)

    I'm glad I finally found my outlet, even if it took me a long time.

     

  • AtiAti Posts: 9,185
    edited October 2015

    I saw this box the other day:



    And I started wondering if we have any Sea Elves in the DAZ store... :) Whatever they are... :) This is a shoe-box by the way. Not sure why sea elves live in shoe boxes... :)

    seaelves.jpg
    600 x 339 - 38K
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  • Jan19Jan19 Posts: 1,109
    edited October 2015

    I was putting on mascara the other day (something I rarely do these days) and noticed only one eye was getting "made up."  I actually thought, "What's wrong?  I know I've got symmetry turned on." blush  Disturbing thing is, that happens a lot -- I'll be doing one side of something, assuming the other side will get done automatically.

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