Help finding the model used in this promo
WongAintWrong
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Really wish Daz made it mandatory to list products used in promo images so threads like this don't have to keep being made,
but can anyone tell me what model is being used in this promo for Hair Studio's "HS Edgy Elite Hair For Genesis 9 and 8" product?
There's 2 models used in this but I am looking for the one used in the main promo, the asian character.
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No idea, but here's a link to the product in question: https://www.daz3d.com/hs-edgy-elite-hair-for-genesis-9-and-8
My guess is is that it is one of the Magic Brush characters based on the eyebrows and intense blue eye color (doesn't read to me as Asian per se but more pixie); anyway, try https://www.daz3d.com/mb-fancie-for-genesis-9-feminine or https://www.daz3d.com/mb-panni-for-genesis-9-feminine with https://www.daz3d.com/da-fantasy-ear-shapes-for-genesis-9
I just get a blank page, both in Chrome and Firefox.
It works for me, so the page itself is not down. Maybe there's a problem between the site and where you are?
Works for me. :shrug:
It doesn't have to be a link to the said item/prop/character, but a name helps a lot. And if anything from Daz is used, a link could be provided. geez, even a simple line, saying the character/item/prop is a custom thing helps, so others like OP don't have to create these topics.
I can only recommend you start posting in a gallery and listing all the assets used: including shaders, every accessory... And then, try to do it a week or a month after you created the art piece... Or do the same, but do it for the art you haven't even created and get your promo artists provide a comprehensive list of what they used.
It's not something that takes 5 minutes, especially that you would actually have type out the name of each product used as it is exactly (because I can tell you people would immediately complain that the name is not exactly what the product is).
This is something that does not benefit the PA at all: they're not selling the products listed and they don't get some sort of affiliate income. So you're asking them to do a lot of additional work for no gain. I don't see anyone messaging Cheetos in where did they get the couch the actors are sitting on in one of their dozens of ads or which hairdresser did they use for an ad for X medication. Or that dining set from the spices ad—I have to know it where to buy it! But somehow, PAs are supposed to give you similar information just because some do when they can and to the extent they can. With that approach, it's no wonder that so many PAs avoid the forums or any interaction with the users, hiding behind Daz customer support.
Making a list costs the same amount of effort whether it includes links or "just" names. It's still time and effort the PAs and promo artists don't get paid for, no matter how you dress it up.
Heya; i'm the promo artist; she's a personal character. Most of the time when i do product promos i use my personal characters; honestly a lot of PA's do this too, unless it's a character promo itself, it won't be something you usually can find on the store.
exactly this; when i'm working on a promo, i pull so many different objects just to make the image nice, there is no way to keep exact track of all the products and then relay them on product pages. It takes way too long and isn't worth it, especially when there are more sites to get assets than daz, so often there will be a skin, a hair, a prop or something that isn't even on daz's website. Even if, i'm not linking 30+ products i used to kitbash something xD. it's nice to see people understand that though so thanks!
Thanks, seems to be a Windows 8 problem, doesn't work in Opera either. Works OK on another PC in Windows 10 however.
There is no need to be hostile. If PA's provide a little more info, people will come back to buy, common courtesy and all. Maybe this is an option ? http://MD List of Products Used
Unfortunately, the hostility comes from both sides.... It is a situation that is rare in most circumstances. If you saw a commercial for a new brand of microwavable macaroni and cheese, you are unlikely to send off an angry letter complaining that they didn't list the manufacturer of the tableware used in the commercial or what Kleig lights were used in the filming. The understanding is that the commercial is about the product rather than the ancillary trappings. The software you mention is great for the occasional hobbyist who has only a few thousand products purchased and is only doing a scene or two. If you are a service that makes dozens of scenes for dozens of clients in a week, you don't have time to record what was used and how it was modified. It is nice when you can find the info but just be aware that it is a courtesy not a right.
As someone who make a lot of efforts to document what I'm using for all renders I'm sharing in the gallery (here), it's not always possible to find what you used once a render is done, because some elements don't leave any trace (poses came to mind), to say nothing of the name of items that can be cryptic as best and it can be sometime hard to know if something is part of one product or another.
I don't know if you're documenting every render you're sharing, but if you don't, I suggest doing it a couple of times to get an idea: even 'simple' portraits can end using lots of products to track.
I always appreciate it when the vendors list the items used in the promo images. I understand it isn't always easy to keep track of items. I understand that the promo image isn't what is being sold. If the image was being sold to a company for a bookcover, poster, movie, or other venture, I suspect there'd be more strict requirements about what's used in the image and proof of having the appropriate licenses for distribution, etc. But, yup, promo images for products sold here are more like an artist expressing their talent centered around the product and whatever else they have in their toolbox. Nothing wrong with that.
I do believe that if the image specified that "the model is a custom character not available for purchase" that would help alot (as someone else pointed out earlier). I also believe that for hair (especially) and clothes there should be at least one image with the base character. It's been a while since I rendered anything but I was always a bit disapointed when I found that a big part of the apeal of the product was the model they used even though the model wasn't the product. Showing the hair or clothes on the appropriate generation of Victoria and/or Michael without any extra morphs would help customers manage expectations.
Finally, I can talk about something I know about! You wrote: "If the image was being sold to a company for a bookcover, poster, movie, or other venture, I suspect there'd be more strict requirements about what's used in the image and proof of having the appropriate licenses for distribution, etc. But, yup, promo images for products sold here are more like an artist expressing their talent centered around the product and whatever else they have in their toolbox." Having actually done this, the concern is about proper licences and there is absolutely no interest in asset inventory. People might keep track of assets by some visual attribute such as "all the red mini dresses" but noone keeps track of sources of assets. Managing expectations is pretty much never a consideration of advertising; the expectation is that an advertisement is a bit of an aspirational fantasy. There is a famous image of a celebrity wearing a high end garment on the cover of Vanity Fair with a photo inside showing the view from the back; thegarment has been cut apart and is held together with safety pins and gaffer's tape so that it will have no wrinkles from the otherside.
In this case, the promo artist is seeding confusion. In using their OCs for products by several different people, it makes it seem like the character in question is available, since all these PAs have access to it. Most people identify the product or promo render with the PA, not the promo artist. It happened long ago with the "Goldtassel Girl," who was made by a promo artist and not the PA, goldtassel. The character always appeared on goldtassel's DAZ Originals products.
I'm not saying that the artist is wrong in creating their art. (An artist has a vision for an illustration, so it is their duty to see it to fruition.) But I have now come to the point where IDK if it's done to intentionally troll people, because random customers have been asking about these OCs ever since their promo renders have started showing up in the store.
Maybe instead of asking for product lists, we should be asking for clear artist signatures in the promo renders. That way, it'd be easier to guess if the character is custom and avoid these sorts of threads. There's a couple of products with signed promo renders and I don't mind them.
as the promo artist of this product; the vendor doesn't want signatures on promo pieces because it isn't consistent with something like say a magazine catalogue and the promo of the product becomes property of the PA. The signature ends up becoming those OC's used. I don't do it to troll people, i just like making work with my own characters, i rarely get to use them because of normal work and most of my promo work being character promos now, so when I get a chance i use it as a moment to make art with those OC's. Also even if we went with a purchasable character, there are characters you can buy on otherwebsites and you can't link those characters back here on daz, so in the end we just make what we want as long as the product is highlighted. Our job is simply to make the product look good, and that includes using any practical means.
I have done the product promos for hair studio and beautyworks for 3 years so the promo style was pretty consistent