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...the manual download of the installer from the Content Library page worked fine and seemed the simplest solution.
Okay... trying to get this thread back on the original subject. Yes, there are a lot of older products that have never been duplicated since the days of V4 and even V3, and in many of the cases where there is a "new" version, the older versions are often superior in some ways. Prior to the introduction of Iray there was a reason for skipping over the older products, as many Poser textures looked awful if directly used in 3DL, and it could be a tedious and time consuming affair to manually reset all of those. Now, between DAZ Studio's surprsingly good auto-conversion to Iray and all of many the excellent second party postconversion systems, many of those older products actually now often look better than they did in the renderers they were designed for. More importantly, back in the days of V3 and V4 (and slow internet speeds,) PAs were far more focused on keeping the size of files down... (for those who're relatively new to this hobby, DAZ actually used to offer the option of sending product files through the mail on CDs because downloads took so long!) On the other hand, there are far too many newer products that are simply insane resource hogs, so if I want to, say, fill a scene with lot of vehicles or buildings and I know that most of them are only going to be in the mid to background area, it only makes sense to use older products where they work.
...I actually had content delivered via CD.
Back then I was working on a 32 bit notebook with Xp and I had to go to the corner Starbucks to download anything. If it was busy the Wifi seriously bogged down and at times even crash and need to be reset. I also didn't have a checking account when I first started here and paid for my purchases via money order..
Yeh there are a lor of old items in my Poser runtime as well as old products that iave been updated to. .duf format.hat are now in the main Daz library folder .. Jack Tomalin is one PA who also issued Iray updates for a large number of his older products .
Yeah, I still have a dozen or so sets of those floating around my "old software graveyard" box as well, as well as the commercially made CD-roms of the Aiko3 and Hiro 3 special edition megabundles that DAZ sold during some of their convention appearances, and a few clamshell-boxed versions of DS, Bryce & Carrara. I wonder if those old installers even work anymore? I know the ones for products that were used as promos for magazines like 3D world are mostly worthless as most of them were just links to a download site.
Before hard drive prices slumped and cloud storage became common, I backed up much of my larger data onto CDR, and later DVDR. Some of these discs are now used as drink coasters.
...I did the same, still have a box full of them. Haven't checked to see if they still can be read.
I also still have a couple boxes with 3.5 and 5.75 floppies as well.
I want to point out I have over 600 .daz items and that .daz is actually a Daz format. Am I supposed to sit there and convert them one by one to .duf?
.daz format has officially been deprecated since Daz released DS4.5 many years ago, and some old .daz files cause errors in recent versions.
A lot of products which provided .daz files were updated to .duf, so it might be worth checking for updates. For those which were not updated or for your own saved files, Code66 has a converter which can help, or you can convert them yourself using DS4 when you want to use one of those older scenes in DS2025.
If that's the case, then why is .daz stuff still sold in the store? I update the stuff that has updates. These apparently aren't updated. Probably not buying a script. Will go through and see if there's anything I care about and convert that, delete the rest.
Thanks, I forgot that option. Still a bit of work but worth it.
Because the format is still usable with the current version of DS4, the same way the current version of Iray is still able to use some older GPUs which are marked as deprecated by Nvidia.
In both case, both of them being deprecated is a way to tell users to make preparation from them not working anymore at all with a future software version (which in the case of .daz files currently means keeping DS4 installed alongside DS2025).
Your answer is earnest and beside the point. The .daz issue should have been resolved a long time ago, either by dropping the products or fixing the issue. Instead it's a subject of irritation.
I think you are missing the point of deprecation: the products are still usable to some extent but they are being phased out. The Alpha version of Daz Studio lacks any support of 3delight so that all textures are converted as iRay. Daz3d isn't going to just stop using the format but DS 4 supports it while DS 6 won't which provides users a gentle offramp to do their conversions, plan to upgrade their systems or remain with their old ones and old assets without disruption. People seem to forget a major purpose of a store is to provide stability. It is not uncommon anywhere to drop obsolete formats as new formats go into being. If you went into a big box store in the early 2000's, you might find a whole section of vhs tapes and cd's.... the formats are deprecated so you would go a used store or specialty vendor to find such things. I see no advantage in just pulling products that customers can use right now. Why be irritated? You can look at the age and description of a product to decide if it suits your needs without deciding it suits someone else's needs.
...Code 66 does have a converter for [pr[s and sets that convert .daz and .cr2/pp2 formats to .duf.
https://www.daz3d.com/legacy-set-converter
It is also on the list of products for the Wishlist Weekend 1$ sale that ends tonight.
My understanding is plugins will not work in DAZ 2025. This is a deal breaker for me. If I am wrong please correct me.
There is a good chance that they will not work but will probably be updated. Some do work, some do not.
And an earlier version of daz studio will remain for the instances where they don't...
All plugins will require an update for DS2025. Some scripts will also need to be updated.
(Looks in the vault) Yeah, I have a couple of both zip and Jaz discs. We got a lot of use out of the zips for a few years, but I think Jaz was basically obsolete within a year or two of coming out. But at least they paid for themselves and there are far worse products to have invested in. Back when VCRs were still in the above $1000.00 range, a friend of mine got talked into buying a Video 2000 system, which was Phillips' way too late entry in the format wars that ended up being between VHS and Betamax... Never heard of it? Yeah, they dropped support pretty quickly. and as a result, he was stuck with just the five V2000 tapes he'd initially bought until they all wore out from repeated overrecording.
We won't really know until it happens, unfortunately. I had quite a few plugins for DS3 that were never updated, even though a few of the vendors kept promising that they would be, so I'm not holding my breath.
I don't remember where I read it, but it was my impression from the Daz Studio discussions. I apologise. But will 3DL/Poser materials be supported by DS2025?
I just opened DS2025 and the thumbnail for BRC - Serenity, SKU 3302, is a ! mark, but the scene file does load and I was able to do a spot render. But The Ballroom, SKU 2931, which has .duf files has their thumbnails showing up.
As I understand it, 3DL will not be supported. But Poser files work just fine.
Yes, there is no inherent connection between Poser files and 3Delight - for a while imported objects got the 3delight Daz Default sahder applied, but now they get the current render engine's default shader. Where a Poser file has a companion script to aply 3Delight materials that will not be productive 9and a lot will be in the original Daz Script, not the Daz Script 2 introduced in DS 3, for which auto-conversion is no longer available - Qt change - so hopefully they will load with the base Poser settings and will need adjusting for best results).
Also works with yesterday's new releases, even though it's not on that list
I've used it to convert some of my Poser collection, so that they can properly open in DS4 & above.
And to stop the presses, Ravenstone has just come back out of digital oblivion and reopened her Rendo store.
Oh sweet! Thanks for the heads up.
I wonder, do 3DL materials not do anything at all or will they be applied but autoconverted to render in Iray as in 4.x ? (I'd try that but I don't have a computer with the alpha at hand)
After loading Victoria 7, a bikini (to respect forums rules) and applying only 3Delight materials to any item loaded (on Victoria 7, some surfaces ended with a shader called 'AoA subsurface (RSL)'), once I activated Iray Preview, as far as I can tell, the Alpha seems to have converted the various surfaces to Iray on the fly and I didn't see glaring difference between loading the same scene in DS 4.23PB:
Alpha:
4.23.1.something:
(Sorry, it's a bit grainy, but it's on my Mac so CPU only, and for a couple of seconds at best to avoid having the CPU fans roaring like a jet…).