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  • VhardamisVhardamis Posts: 576

    This was an insta buy. It is gorgeous Fisty. I especially love the dragon pattern; that will work perfectly for a flashback in the story i'm working on. The fact that Fred made the hair separate on the character itself was icing on the cake.

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,682

    Great outfit, instant buy even though I don't use G2, will be autofitting it to G1.

  • MelanieLMelanieL Posts: 7,712

    Lovely-looking outfit (and quite a nice man to put it on) - snapped this one up at once.

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,343

    Nice bundle Fisty.  In the cart!  HUGS

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    DarkSpartan said:

    Men's clothers tend to be simpler, without things like lace and ruffles, no skirts, and so on. You don't find menswear with plunging necklines with a lace fringe beyond the end of the eighteenth century. By the advent of the 20th century, it was just gone.

    You are skipping the 1970s? Probably wise.

    I remember the 1970s, and clothing designers during that period were deranged squirrels infested by a flea circus, and trained by a pack of psychotic howler monkeys. It was a horroshow for a child under the age of ten. Walking into parts of some towns was scarier than Alien.

    Very traumatic.

    Another reason to hate the 70s. Not that I need any, and not that I remember it, too young. But I do remember finding old clothes my parents had discarded and well, the colours were blinding, and things just went downhill from there.

    LeatherGryphon said:

    Men's clothers tend to be simpler, without things like lace and ruffles, no skirts, and so on. You don't find menswear with plunging necklines with a lace fringe beyond the end of the eighteenth century. By the advent of the 20th century, it was just gone.

    You are skipping the 1970s? Probably wise.

    I remember the 70's.  Polyester, paisley, blousy sleeves, bell bottoms, deep necklines, very wide and pointy collars.  And that was just the men!  Also, automobiles that would occupy two modern parking places and rusted if you breathed on them,

      ... "and rusted if you breathed on them". No breathing necessary.

    timmins.william said:

    I'm having a devil of a time tryig to autofit to G2 anything. Shrinkwrap city. It's particularly annoying with coats and jackets, where stuff should hang, but even the men's garments outline the pecs.

     

    I'm annoyed that I have no easy option other than Zev0's Fit Control. I mean, I like Zev0, and am VERY thankful the products exist, but... ugh

     

    Why I try and manage with Dynamics. I can't always, but mostly.

    Design Anvil - Razor42 said:

    I would buy more male clothes if there would be more to buy in the store. to say clothes for the females sells better is a weak argument. I'm sure there are more than enough poducts for the females, which sell bad or sell just because they are in bundles.

    It's a history of sales that led to this point. Sales wise in my experience a female targeted item of the skimpware variety will easily sell ten to one of an item for a male of similar quality. Making any item for the store has a certain amount of risk, as a PA if you can mitigate that risk to around 10% why wouldn't you? That is at the heart of the problem. 

    The Issue: Not enough male focused items in the store.

    The Reason: Male items rarely see the return of a female item of the same quality (This has been the case for at least a decade now, it's not new and the sources for it are pretty wide and in general agreement )   

    The solution: ?

    It's easy to generalise and say if the market demand was there it would be made, It is clear that there is a market for male clothing. But sales wise its been proven that the market is somewhat smaller than the buying market for the female items. Which means the risk of a poor performing item is also somewhat larger for the PA.

    If you staunchly believe vendor consensus is wrong, why not commision a PA to make a male item for you, pay them the approx amount that a similar female piece would make for the full rights to the item for resale. Then sell that item in the store and see if you make a profit on the deal. If you are right you could be sitting on a potential goldmine. However if the PA's experience does hold true you, will likely end up losing money on the deal.  But you would be putting your money up, instead of demanding a vendor take all the risk for your benefit.  If you did lose money would you want to repeat the experience?

    But obviously vendors explaining the reasons doesn't lead to a real solution to the issue. But neither does demanding it be "Fixed".

     


    Excellent suggestion... I wonder how many will consider doing it.

  • ByrdieByrdie Posts: 1,783
    edited September 2015

    Mine! I don't make a lot of medieval renders but I can repurpose and retexture, plus that guy is gorgeous! Which long hair is that he's wearing? Yummy! So happy this is Poser friendly, I'm still having those Studio issues. 

    But I'm also having more eye problems, so it may not totally be the software's fault. My eye doctor tells me I now have cataracts in addition to the myopic degeneration, and he found new retinal scarring and thinning since my checkup in March. I'm waiting now for an appointment with an eye surgeon to see what, if anything, can be done about it. So my computer use is cut back and so alas, is my 3d play time. At least for now. :-(

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  • FistyFisty Posts: 3,416

    I made the facial hair.  =)  I did a quick test to see how it would go on G3F and it worked pretty well even without a fitting templete available so it should convert to G3M pretty good when he comes out.

    Byrdie - Fred used http://www.daz3d.com/julius-hair-for-genesis-2 on him, I used http://www.daz3d.com/udane-hair in my Poser promo.

    An artist losing sight must be so completely frustraiting.. at least cataracts are easy to fix.  The rest not so much..  but laser surgury is getting really good these days so hopefully they can stop or slow down the degeneration.  My uncle went through the same thing, and 15ish years behind now in medical progression, he's a math geek though so it didn't adversely effect him as much.  Friendly suggestion... start learning music now while you can still see okayish so if you end up losing your sight completely in the future you still have a creative outlet.  Anyone who does 3D art, even hobiest level, does so because they have a need for artistic expression.. if you have another outlet for it that doesn't involve sight it it will make it feel a lot less devistating.  /hugs

  • DaWaterRatDaWaterRat Posts: 2,885

    Love the new outfit.  And nicely timed, as I actually have money. :)

    Bought and installed. :)

  • SorelSorel Posts: 1,412
    edited September 2015

    Fisty and Fred this combo is great :)

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  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    edited September 2015
    Sorel said:

    Fisty and Fred this combo is great :)

    That's really nice.

    I went back and forth on this last night, (I'm an hour behind DAZ time.) The clothes for Alfred are beautiful and part of me wanted them real bad. But the part that controls the dwindling funds won. I bought Alfred, though—whose promos looks remarkably like this render of Derek from July, a wonderful male from Fred—and put the clothes in my wishlist for a time when my wallet grows fat again. (At the moment, if you turn it sideways, it disappears. sad)

    I really love the facial hair for Alfred, Fisty. Any possibility there will be an "eyebrow pack" for him somewhere down the line? If Fred creates any more G2M characters with mats sans eyebrows and the same brow structure, the brows could be used on more than just Alfred. Lots of people are asking for eyebrow choices. I suspect it would be popular.
    smiley

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  • NosiferretNosiferret Posts: 344

    I completely agree about the clothing items for the guys. I will have to admit, I saw Alfred first....I'm not gonna lie there :) then Alfred brought me to the outfit...No hesitation, in the cart it went, already installed. Thank you for not putting those straps over the foot on the boots....I can't even begin to tell you how much those bother me :) 

    Xurge puts out some nice male clothing, but his style tends to repeat...but when you're building a sci-fi, or fantasy scene, you'll take anything that fits! 

    I would hope that with a show like Game of Thrones, that the males would start seeing some clothing and hair love. 

    I don't know about some merchants. I understand it takes time to build and rig clothing, so most opt for the fastest sell item...meaning they'd sooner put out an outfit that looks like 10 others, instead of putting out something different and unique and so far the male category kind of fits that. Not a very well stocked catalog, stuff can only stand out and sell. Just have to listen to what buyers are asking for and make that. I don't think it reflects on their creativity to just make "what sells", they lack the confidence and are too afraid to venture out into unchartered waters....it is those merchants who churn out a different kind of butt floss for Vic every week. 

    Some of these high fantasy outfits kind of look ok, until you get to the feet. Stiletto heels? Really? Why not make boots that morph, give the buyer a choice, I might want to give my character a flat heel. Then jazz up the boot with a heel...instead I have seen a dozen or more outfits pouring out that looks like the same boot. Same heel. Boring. Not to mention the bikini armor with every release. 

    I would love to see outfits like my rogue wears in Elder Scolls Online. She's covered head to toe in armor...the only skin that can been seen is the area around the eyes...it's nice to play a game where I don't have to see everything hanging out. 

    Sorry, I got on my soap box. 

    Great outfit, Fisty and Darc and character, Fred I hope the 3 of you do something else for G2M soon :) Poor guy has to wear womens clothes sometimes! 

     

  • FistyFisty Posts: 3,416

    He includes fibermesh eyebrows already, L'Adair, unless you're asking for something different?

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    I love xurge's stuff. I don't seem to care if they repeat although ive stopped buying the older generation stuff. Wish there was more scifi content in the store like that. :-)

  • NosiferretNosiferret Posts: 344
    Serene Night said:

    I love xurge's stuff. I don't seem to care if they repeat although ive stopped buying the older generation stuff. Wish there was more scifi content in the store like that. :-)

    I forgot add about Xurge, he's been offering his older items as a special price of $2 for 1 week only. 

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    Fisty said:

    He includes fibermesh eyebrows already, L'Adair, unless you're asking for something different?

    I'm saying I love the fiber mesh eyebrows! And I'd like to see a variety. For example, eyebrows with two zones interspersed—one zone about two-thirds of the fibers, the other about one-third—would allow us to use two colors. That would be great when you want the character to have grey in his eyebrows. Another example would be longer hairs that curl a bit. A uni-brow would be fun, too. Several different types of fiber-mesh eyebrows would be such a great addition to the character(s).

    From what Mec4D said elsewhere, creating a fiber-mesh eyebrow product as a one-size-fits-all solution won't work. But such a product that would work with a series of characters, I think, would sell well. FW Derek and Alfred have very similar brows. If Derek had a face mat without eyebrows, Alfred's eyebrows would work on him, too. Add in a couple more G2M characters capable of using the eyebrow pack, and the 3D artist has a go-to set of male characters for those times when we don't want another runway model in the render.

    It's just an idea. I don't know how feasible it would be as a product, but I'd certainly buy it.

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,923
    mal3Imagery said:

    The tux was a nice addition to my clothing set for my men.  Here's a render of it.  Scott as 007.

     

    Wonderful render- very yummy. He looks very Bond-ish!

  • ByrdieByrdie Posts: 1,783
    Fisty said:

     

    Byrdie - Fred used http://www.daz3d.com/julius-hair-for-genesis-2 on him, I used http://www.daz3d.com/udane-hair in my Poser promo.

    An artist losing sight must be so completely frustraiting.. at least cataracts are easy to fix.  The rest not so much..  but laser surgury is getting really good these days so hopefully they can stop or slow down the degeneration.  My uncle went through the same thing, and 15ish years behind now in medical progression, he's a math geek though so it didn't adversely effect him as much.  Friendly suggestion... start learning music now while you can still see okayish so if you end up losing your sight completely in the future you still have a creative outlet.  Anyone who does 3D art, even hobiest level, does so because they have a need for artistic expression.. if you have another outlet for it that doesn't involve sight it it will make it feel a lot less devistating.  /hugs

     

    Julius hair, yes! Thought it looked familiar and luckily I have it. Excellent suggestion about a second, non-visual outlet for one's muses; I also write. Which can be done via other methods than ye olde fountain pen, thank goodness. Music? I love listening to it but I think my little sister got all the talent there. Anyway, I've had myopia ever since I was a kid, my eyes got worse year after year but my opthamologist never told me the whole story so I had no idea how bad it was actually going to get until my vision took a sudden massive nose-dive resulting in legal blindness.That was in 1986 and for a long time I thought I was finished with art (unless I learned sculpting and at the time there was nobody doing that around here) until I got a computer and a friend on one of my many TV show fanlists (X-Files, anyone?) told me about something called Poser. I got hold of a copy, figured it out and became an addict after exposure to something called RR Michael 1 and the Daz Platinum Club. wink

    Long story short, this ain't my first rodeo. And I don't give up all that easily, even when common sense says I probably ought to, for the sake of everybody's peace of mind. So I'm pretty sure I'll figure something out. As long as I can keep telling stories about all the weird and wonderful characters that show up in my brain when I least expect them, I'll be satisfied.

    Just don't ask me to sing. Even I have my limits, and that evil I am not. Yet. cheeky

     

  • FistyFisty Posts: 3,416

    Writing is a fantastic outlet!  I couldn't do it to save my life.. I would go for music or ceramics probably if put in the same situation. smiley

  • DarkSpartanDarkSpartan Posts: 1,096

    Good sci-fi and military-based men's clothes are a constant irritation for me... Sci-fi men don't get very much love around here.

  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310
    edited September 2015

    On top of everything else Alfred's Finery autofits really well.

    I used Gen 2 here as I haven't a suitably androgynous gen3 character yet.

     

     

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  • FistyFisty Posts: 3,416

    Awesome renders guys, all of 'em..  thanks so much for posting, makes me very happy. smiley

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