About the impact of SSD performance on DAZ

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• ArtRoulade Posts: 44

  April 24

  You won't notice any big differences between PCIE4.0 and PCIE5.0 SSDs. Look at size and price instead.
• q1472060 Posts: 1

  April 24

  ArtRoulade said:

  You won't notice any big differences between PCIE4.0 and PCIE5.0 SSDs. Look at size and price instead.

  Yes, but I just care if the PCIE5.0 SSD allows me to load scenes faster.
• Chezjuan Posts: 538

  April 24

  It is really hard to say since there are other factors in scene loading outside of drive speed. Technically, yes, scenes will load faster as PCIE 5.0 drives can have read speeds that are up to twice as fast as PCIE 4.0 drives. Whether or not that translates into a "siginificant increase" is dependent on more than raw drive speed. When I switched from a 7200 RPM HDD to a PCIE 4.0 SSD, which provided a huge jump in raw drive performance, the scene loading time did not increase at the same proportion. I would say that scenes loaded about 15-20 percent faster after the switch due to the other factors involved (e.g. DAZ has to load all morph packages installed for a Genesis 8 character no matter which are used, which can add a lot of time depending on how many characters and morph packs you have installed). 
• Cam Fox Posts: 274

  April 24 edited April 24

  q1472060 said:

  Does PCIE5.0 SSD have a significant improvement in loading scenes compared to PCIE4.0 SSD?

   

  If you're coming from a non-SSD, you'll probably see a notable performance increase with any SSD.

  You might also see an impact going from a SATA SSD (looks more like a traditional hard drive) to PCIe NVMe (looks more like a flat circuitboard).

  I recommend paying extra for quality (I swear by the Samsnug Pro NVMe ones)

  ChatGPT notes that "on paper, PCIe 5.0 doubles the bandwidth" but then notes that when measured in real situations, other hardware usually becomes the bottleneck to the point the difference between PCIe 4.0 and 5.0 doesn't really matter.

  Be sure to back up any important stuff periodically, SSDs fail without warning when they reach end of life.

   

  Post edited by Cam Fox on April 24
• ArtRoulade Posts: 44

  April 24 edited April 24

  q1472060 said:

  ArtRoulade said:

  You won't notice any big differences between PCIE4.0 and PCIE5.0 SSDs. Look at size and price instead.

  Yes, but I just care if the PCIE5.0 SSD allows me to load scenes faster.

  -> See Richard's answer.

  Post edited by ArtRoulade on April 24
• Richard Haseltine Posts: 108,091

  April 24

  ArtRoulade said:

  q1472060 said:

  ArtRoulade said:

  You won't notice any big differences between PCIE4.0 and PCIE5.0 SSDs. Look at size and price instead.

  Yes, but I just care if the PCIE5.0 SSD allows me to load scenes faster.

  In short. No.

  With PCIE 5.0, the bandwidth doubles on paper. However, many individual files are processed when loading in Daz Studio and this is hardly affected. The internal structure and SSD controller in the SSD have a greater impact here.

  That depends on the content - a complext prop with detailed geometry will mainly be one big file and that may show a significant gain, but with characters the main bottleneck is in memory after loading the data (building the links between properties) so there will be little if any noticeable gain there.
• q1472060 Posts: 1

  April 25

  Richard Haseltine said:

  ArtRoulade said:

  q1472060 said:

  ArtRoulade said:

  You won't notice any big differences between PCIE4.0 and PCIE5.0 SSDs. Look at size and price instead.

  Yes, but I just care if the PCIE5.0 SSD allows me to load scenes faster.

  In short. No.

  With PCIE 5.0, the bandwidth doubles on paper. However, many individual files are processed when loading in Daz Studio and this is hardly affected. The internal structure and SSD controller in the SSD have a greater impact here.

  That depends on the content - a complext prop with detailed geometry will mainly be one big file and that may show a significant gain, but with characters the main bottleneck is in memory after loading the data (building the links between properties) so there will be little if any noticeable gain there.

  OK, I got it, thanks!
• q1472060 Posts: 1

  April 25

  Cam Fox said:

  q1472060 said:

  Does PCIE5.0 SSD have a significant improvement in loading scenes compared to PCIE4.0 SSD?

   

  If you're coming from a non-SSD, you'll probably see a notable performance increase with any SSD.

  You might also see an impact going from a SATA SSD (looks more like a traditional hard drive) to PCIe NVMe (looks more like a flat circuitboard).

  I recommend paying extra for quality (I swear by the Samsnug Pro NVMe ones)

  ChatGPT notes that "on paper, PCIe 5.0 doubles the bandwidth" but then notes that when measured in real situations, other hardware usually becomes the bottleneck to the point the difference between PCIe 4.0 and 5.0 doesn't really matter.

  Be sure to back up any important stuff periodically, SSDs fail without warning when they reach end of life.

  Indeed, currently I'm using PCIe 4.0 and it doesn't look like upgrading to PCIe 5.0 is very important.
• q1472060 Posts: 1

  April 25

  Chezjuan said:

  It is really hard to say since there are other factors in scene loading outside of drive speed. Technically, yes, scenes will load faster as PCIE 5.0 drives can have read speeds that are up to twice as fast as PCIE 4.0 drives. Whether or not that translates into a "siginificant increase" is dependent on more than raw drive speed. When I switched from a 7200 RPM HDD to a PCIE 4.0 SSD, which provided a huge jump in raw drive performance, the scene loading time did not increase at the same proportion. I would say that scenes loaded about 15-20 percent faster after the switch due to the other factors involved (e.g. DAZ has to load all morph packages installed for a Genesis 8 character no matter which are used, which can add a lot of time depending on how many characters and morph packs you have installed). 

  Indeed, it seems that I don't really need to upgrade to PCIe 5.0.