Again: why no men's clothes ?

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  • DarkSpartanDarkSpartan Posts: 1,096

    Wonder if I can learn how to make good male clothing for you all.

    Working on that bit myself.

  • DaWaterRatDaWaterRat Posts: 2,885

    Well, the only reason Scott and all his stuff isn't in my cart already (and won't be before Saturday) is because I have no money.  Again.  So sorry that I won't be adding sales *immediately* after release, but I will be adding sales.

    Whether or not they "count" in tallying the market for men's stuff is up to the vendors.

  • TimbalesTimbales Posts: 2,420

    I bought the Scott Pro-Pack.After I did the math based on the items I wanted, it made sense. 

    observation - it's funny there can't be a day without women's clothing, even when celebrating a new male figure

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    I bought pro, the freckles pack, and the extra male figure.

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,084

    If I had money, I'd totally buy Scott Prop Pack at this price for everything except Scott 6 (who doesn't interest me that much).

     

    I'll probably end up buying the suit, down the line.

     

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,343

    Pro pack and it's been a while since I've bought one.  I was going to get the Bethany Pro pack back when she was released but then compared her to my own home spun morphs and decided I liked mine better!  lol  Scott on the other hand... hands down one of the best thought out male pro packs in a long while.  There is all of it, fantasy, real life, figure shape, skins and hair.  It's too bad that both hair's released are basically the same but both artists are two of my favorite hair makers so WOO HOO!  lol

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,533

    Men's stuff might sell better if they didn't screw up on the promotion offers when they release male stuff.

    I'm waiting to buy Scott but want to rejoin the PC first using the 30% off code which isn't working.

  • TimbalesTimbales Posts: 2,420

    I've been playing with him and he's niec as a 'mixer', too. If you haven't yet, load him up to 50%, then slide in some other people, like 50% Darius, 50% Gianni, etc. Gives a nice overall boost to any person.

  • ByrdieByrdie Posts: 1,783

    Leaning towards the Pro pack if I can liberate the moolah but for some odd reason I don't see DSON importer files with Scott himself, just most of his clothes (there is a nice bodysuit that also looks DS only -- bummer!). Is he at all useable in Poser?

    Sorry, gotta cut back on buying DS-only stuff since I now can barely use Studio. Latest version has no way to change font sizes enough for me to see and I've tried just about everything. Before I used both programs almost equally when working with Genesis/G2 but now it's just Poser again, at least until I find a way to use Daz without straining what's left of my eyesight.  sad

  • DarkSpartanDarkSpartan Posts: 1,096

    Since we have sign of M7 (and thereby G3M) with Scott's release, the menfolk will get a little more representation in the store for a bit.

  • BarubaryBarubary Posts: 1,230
    Adrean said:

    It's not just men's clothings are lacking. The morphs are lacking, too. I remember back in good old days clothes would come with all sorts of morphs, open, close, zippes, belts, pockets, sleeves, all sorts of handy things to help with posing. Nowadays most of the time what you get is just a piece of sheet covering your character. No matter how fance they are, overall most of the stuff I got just lack the utility. This is especially true for clothes found on Daz store. The more advanced their models are, the less utility their outfits have.

    And thank goodness there is Sickleyield who at least considered those aspects. And thank goodness Luthel has made some nice stuff for male characters in fantasy settings, even though with much less (to none) morphs.  I really, really appreciate their products.

    There are other artists who release clothing with morphs, though, besides the - admittedly great - SickleYield. AeonSoul, Hongyu, outoftouch, lilflame and a few others regularly offer clothing with a bunch of morphs.

    I've always thought it weird, though, that for some reason DAZ apparently has no interest in buyouts of those items. Or maybe those artists just don't want to sell to DAZ directly?

    It's sad, because as a result, DO clothing almost always has that aura of mid-to-low-tier quality to me.

  • FistyFisty Posts: 3,416

    I always add a ton of morphs, but more the adjustment and moement type, I rarely model things that can open.

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,306

    I am noticing that with the Scott releases they've combined the texture add-ons with the base set. That was nice of them.

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,923

    Well, I had to go back eight pages to find this discussion, but I wanted to post it here on the men's clothing thread.

    I wanted to thank Luthbellina for Savage Hunter. What wonderful details! (As usual.) So of course, I bought it. And BTW, it DOES render well in 3DL (see the thread on Savage Hunter, example was posted.) 

    Now, a question on the Work Clothes.  In the promo where the two are walking, to me the crotch is too noticeable. In one render, there is a mug so there's no completely sitting poses showing the crotch.  Has anyone bought this?  How does it look in a sitting pose? (Not a leaning one, like the promo) Can the crotch be flattened without the use of d formers?

    In Savage Hunter, the pulls went to the sides, but in this one, it's a different material and I understand that. And I don't think it's the size of the crotch, in as much as the lines continue to pull upwards so the entire groin area gets enlarged and heads up towards the waistband. It probably was the style of that "time period" but if my eyes are drawn to it first thing, frankly it's not something I am going to use. I think the darker pair might be better though. I do want to thank the vendor for doing male clothing! So does anyone have any renders?

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,306
    edited September 2015

    Well, given that the construction of these particular pants features what is effectively a codpiece, the crotch is always going to be comparitively noticable (particularly when a bulge morph is added -- which none were in the promos). It's a bit more historically accurate than we're used to seeing in the store, and I suspect that it comes under the heading of "it's not a bug, it's a feature".

    A different vest, one that doesn't frame the area, might be helpful.

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  • Shoes - most types are available with different outfits, only thing really missing are cowboy boots, hiking shoes, and sandals.
    You forgot thigh boots.  What I really need are thigh boots for both sexes that have steel toes (on the outside), a reinforced patch or a tightly-strapped knee guard and heavy treads.  These are meant for like a toxic chemical plant, to protect from toxic and caustic chemicals, while the reinforced knee and steel-toe boots are there in case they drop something heavy on themselves (or in the case of knees, something sharp)  The thick tread is for steady footing when walking on a polished floor with spilled liquids on it.
      At the very least, it needs to come with loosen morphs for different parts, including the steel toe and strapped knee guard.

     

    After looking at what's available, the only things missing are: Bussiness Suit, Tuxedo, Pajamas, some Underwear - can use the genesis versions.
    There are several such business suits, tuxes, and underwear.
    Aave Nainen's suits, Grantham Hall Suit, OOT's and Sickleyield's underwear sets.  You might have a point with pajamas.

     

    In the real world, women buy a lot more clothes then men, I understand.
    Not true for my dad.  You should see how many pairs of shoes he has.  He has like 2 pairs each of slippers, work shoes, leisure shoes (same as work shoes, except that they're not dirty-- he's a landscaper), formal shoes, and this one only partially counts, but steel-toed rubber boots that are shared between him and his workers (obviously a horrible idea, but he hasn't gotten athlete's foot yet :\)  
    Now, as far as shirts, pants, and socks, it is indeed true that my mom owns exponentially more than my dad.  Well, except for ties.  My mom doesn't own any of those.  And my dad does have a LOT of ties (he got pissed one day when the cat was sleeping on this big pile of ties that he had on his desk, while my mom and I were laughing)

  • I picked up Savage hunter. I haven't tested it to see how I feel aboutt he non-3delight shaders. Will certainly let you know. In general though, I'm not going to buy products which don't include compatible 3delight textures. I made a mistake in buying the outfit without looking first, so hopefully what others say is true. I haven't rendered it yet.

    I passed on Work clothing. That is sort of a fairly typical male outfit for the store and doesn't have enough detail for me. It reminds me somewhat of the bucaneer basics outfit which came out for genesis a few years ago. It doesn't have the realism I'm looking for in men's clothing.

     

     

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,704

    I would love to see some every day clothing for male figures. That category is very slim in my library.

  • Hmmm this has got me thinking now if there is less competition in men clothing, then it might be worth having a go at. The female clothing market is so over stacked there might be something to this?
    Zev0's product sales (minus fit control) are probably the best to use as a litmus test for the popularity between the two sexes, because they're the exact same product--  Skinbuilder, Bellycontrol, Growing Up, etc. 

    He said that his female and male products sell 4 to 1.  That is a massive difference.

     

    DAZ Marketing targets DAZ3D at pubescent boys.
    No, it doesn't.  If it did, then you would see far fewer historical outfits or formal dresses/gowns.  You would also see far more clothing items that are worn by Millenials.  Outfits from the 70's, 80's, and 90's would be almost non-existent, and we would see a lot more modern digital appliances such as flat-screen monitors, flat-screen TVs, and a new ipod/ipad/bluetooth/android facsimile in the marketplace for each new product release (or at least for major design makeovers, like the newer paper-thin design)

    Not to mention that pubescent boys are less likely to have the skills, attention span, and free time necessary to use Daz/Poser-- and the ones who do are likely to be programmers, who will most likely use whatever 3D programs available at school.  (before anyone says anything, yes, kids K~12 have a lot more free time than college students and esp. college graduates, but a lot of that time is tied up with hanging out with friends, social media, and maybe videogames.)

    No, I would say the market is targeted primarily towards guys AND gals in their 20's and 30's and age 19.

  • There are so many factors that likely go into whether a particular outfit sells or not that it would likely be difficult to predict. Yeah, sure female items sell more. But not every PA has thrown in the towel on selling men's clothing just yet... For which I'm grateful

  • wsterdanwsterdan Posts: 3,042

    Hmmm this has got me thinking now if there is less competition in men clothing, then it might be worth having a go at. The female clothing market is so over stacked there might be something to this?
    Zev0's product sales (minus fit control) are probably the best to use as a litmus test for the popularity between the two sexes, because they're the exact same product--  Skinbuilder, Bellycontrol, Growing Up, etc. 

    He said that his female and male products sell 4 to 1.  That is a massive difference.

     For what it's worth, I believe that's the same ratio Universe3D quoted for how his male characters sold compared to his female. I wouldn't doubt that it's a fairly common ratio across the board, which makes me apreciate those PAs who still give us matching male clothes all the more.

    -- Walt Sterdan

  • cosmo71cosmo71 Posts: 3,609
    edited September 2015

    that is something I do not like at the DAZ Store, they present a new figure, then a surge clothes comes up and then stop ... wait ... a new Figure ... converters to convert the "old" clothes which are not really old to fit the new figure ... and new clothes for the new figure and hardly anything for the old figures still used by us. if it is v4 or m4 or genesis or g2f/g2m. Sure you can go to other stores and I think at renderosity the sell for example new v4 / m4 stuff, would they do it if they wouln`t make money with these stuff? I think not.

    So why are there no new clothes for older Figures at the DAZ Store for DS users?

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  • cosmo71cosmo71 Posts: 3,609
    edited September 2015

    BTW that is not only a problem for new generation figures G2F/G3F and G2M also Michael 4 has less clothes and stuff than Victoria 4.2

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  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,704

    Sadly the number are like that across the board. If you spend 3 months on a project and only make $200 on it then you wasted 2.5 months on it. Min. wage here in the states in Ohio is just over $7. To make min. wage on a product you will have to make over $3300+ on a product. Those numbers don't exist on male products most of the time. There are some occasion that some money can be made but not many.

  • cosmo71cosmo71 Posts: 3,609

    Well, DAZ should think about the strategy. Why they come up with a new figure with less content in the wake? Why not comming up with a new figure + a huge bunch of products at the same time? I have bought the g3f stuff but there are only a view clothes and other things out there for her. Sure you can buy the converters to use the old clothes but my experience so far with converters is that they work not perfect for every piece.

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,704
    edited September 2015

    Because of the money amount male products bring in, it's hard to get PA's involved in it. We all have families to support and can't afford to waste 1 minute of time. It takes a lot of work to do this full time which a lot of us do because we aren't capable of working outside the house because of disabilities like myself. I was left disabled from a car accident and this fell upon us. It's better than sitting at home doing nothing and still making a decent living.

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  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,084
    The answer is be willing to pay 5x as much for male clothing. :)
  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,704

    I also would cause it makes it hard to do promos with limited resources.

  • Men's content buyers don't really have a lot to buy judging from the new releases here.  How many male-specific items have there been in the Rev up sale? Two? Possibly Three?

    Even Scott was pretty marginalized with few if any second day offerings, and if you look at the figure itself, he only has one eye color. This is a pro pack. Can't recall a major figure having one eye color in recent memory. Maybe I missed someone.

    I think people should by all means make what works for them, and their families. Buyers should also do the same.

    But that doesn't mean I'll buy stuff that costs a lot more, or seems slapped together or looks bad in the promo art. Even, Scott, although I love the figure, seems to have been a bit slap dash.

    So for me, I'll say, I want men's content. But I'm not desperate for it. =-)

  • RGcincyRGcincy Posts: 2,862
    edited September 2015

    Novica, here's the work clothes on Gianni and Darius. A standing and a sitting pose and an iRay and 3DL render. I picked a couple of different colors of wardrobe. 

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