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  • switt1313_7709dc8a65switt1313_7709dc8a65 Posts: 52

    While we are on the subject: I'm currently trying to make a cover for my new novel. The story is too specifically "Canadian" to find any props for the police or the secret service, but this I didn't expect either. My wife suggested I render one of the winter scenes instead... very simple, contemporary scene with 2 female and 3 male characters, a car, some snow,,, I thought it was a good idea until I started looking for winter clothing... I found one set for V4 where she is not half naked and nothing, zip for any of the Mikes or male figures I have available (M3, D3, M4, D4, Genesis, G2M).

    In the end I may have to settle for some landscape only scene.

    Or did I miss an available set of contemporary male winter clothing?

  • XenomorphineXenomorphine Posts: 2,421

    JaguarElla: Urine container unit! Hah!

    Cdemerit: I haven't got a clue how to create geo-grafts, textures or anything of the like, unfortunately. I love the attention to detail (legs are a little chunky, but it still looks amazing), but the only way I could justify getting that outfit now is if that metal clamp thing has an opacity setting to make it invisible. Although, I suspect that even if it has, that might leave an exposed opening to the crotch, which would only make matters worse...

    Ivy: Those are great examples. Haven't got the Diana/Jones set yet, but it's on the waiting list. Urban Survivors is a seriously awesome set for both female and male characters.

    Vwrangler: I had a feeling someone would say that. :) But if all you want is stripper stuff, then all you need are the various diverse underwear products and you're pretty much set... I was elated to find that we recently got a coveralls set in the store, which I purchased the moment I had the money for it - stuff like that has a ton of uses, both kit-bashed and not.

    Of course, the moment a practical outfit is released for G2M, I wish there was a G2F version of the same... That's why I like the Diana/Jones and Urban Survivor sets so much. And Midnight Stories' Mars Explorer astronaut suits, for that matter. :)

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,072
    Richard Haseltine said:
    DarkSpartan said:
    Men's clothers tend to be simpler, without things like lace and ruffles, no skirts, and so on. You don't find menswear with plunging necklines with a lace fringe beyond the end of the eighteenth century. By the advent of the 20th century, it was just gone.

    You are skipping the 1970s? Probably wise.

    I remember the 70's.  Polyester, paisley, blousy sleeves, bell bottoms, deep necklines, very wide and pointy collars.  And that was just the men!  Also, automobiles that would occupy two modern parking places and rusted if you breathed on them,

     

  • BlueIreneBlueIrene Posts: 1,318
    edited August 2015

    Wendy might be able to help you, switt. Her clothes are well-crafted, free, very practical and 'normal', and allow commercial use. There's a ton of stuff over there and it's often filled a gap for me that Daz can't...

    https://www.wilmapsdigitalcreations.co.uk/

     

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  • Midnight_storiesMidnight_stories Posts: 4,112
    scatha said:
    Midnight_stories said:

    You are the guys who drove the market not DAZ or the vendors, so buy more male stuff !!!

    I guess the question is how do you get more customer to buy the male stuff they just aren't popular as the female.

    I have a G3F sci fi suit that will come out with a G2M conversion so it will be a good test to which will sell more,

    and ultimately will help me decide which I should put more into, so in the end sale dictate. Yes this is a shameless plug for drumming up busness Lol angel

     

     

    Sorry Midnight, but your products generally are only usable if you're into sci-fi rendering and often I find that the suits have pretty big limitations, which is a reason for me not to buy them. These days I am looking for practicality and if the product doesn't do what I am looking for, then it's a no-sale.

    You could say that about any product that doen't suit what you need, not just mine. I do the best I can that's all I can do. It's the old saying you can't please all the people all the time. No use worrying about it.

  • LeanaLeana Posts: 12,735
    dclane said:

    Wendy might be able to help you, switt. Her clothes are well-crafted, free, very practical and 'normal', and allow commercial use. There's a ton of stuff over there and it's often filled a gap for me that Daz can't...

    https://www.wilmapsdigitalcreations.co.uk/

    Wendy does indeed have some winter clothes for Genesis and Genesis 2. There are also a few "reasonnable" coats at Rendo (check Lyrra's store for example).

    I don't know if they would be warm enough for a Canadian winter though...

  • FistyFisty Posts: 3,416

    A vicor/priest/etc is a very good idea.

  • vwranglervwrangler Posts: 4,970
    switt1313_7709dc8a65 said:

    While we are on the subject: I'm currently trying to make a cover for my new novel. The story is too specifically "Canadian" to find any props for the police or the secret service, but this I didn't expect either. My wife suggested I render one of the winter scenes instead... very simple, contemporary scene with 2 female and 3 male characters, a car, some snow,,, I thought it was a good idea until I started looking for winter clothing... I found one set for V4 where she is not half naked and nothing, zip for any of the Mikes or male figures I have available (M3, D3, M4, D4, Genesis, G2M).

    In the end I may have to settle for some landscape only scene.

    Or did I miss an available set of contemporary male winter clothing?

    Since you're looking for Mil4 stuff, yes, there is at least one thing available. You can't be blamed for missing it; it doesn't say anything about winter clothing anywhere.

    http://www.daz3d.com/truck-clothing-set

    Does not convert at all well to the Genesis generation -- the coat falls apart -- but since that's not your issue, you should be fine.

    If you're using Studio, and you have the clones that allow you to convert M3/D3 to M4/H4, and you want a different look, you can also try this

    http://www.daz3d.com/daedalus-sky-mercenary-for-m3

    Hope this helps.

  • RCTSpankyRCTSpanky Posts: 850

    I would buy more male clothes if there would be more to buy in the store. to say clothes for the females sells better is a weak argument. I'm sure there are more than enough poducts for the females, which sell bad or sell just because they are in bundles.

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,306
    switt1313_7709dc8a65 said:

    While we are on the subject: I'm currently trying to make a cover for my new novel. The story is too specifically "Canadian" to find any props for the police or the secret service, but this I didn't expect either. My wife suggested I render one of the winter scenes instead... very simple, contemporary scene with 2 female and 3 male characters, a car, some snow,,, I thought it was a good idea until I started looking for winter clothing... I found one set for V4 where she is not half naked and nothing, zip for any of the Mikes or male figures I have available (M3, D3, M4, D4, Genesis, G2M).

    In the end I may have to settle for some landscape only scene.

    Or did I miss an available set of contemporary male winter clothing?

    I get the impression that a lot of stuff certainly exists, but it's all for M3 or M4. It's like once something for the guys is in the store, no one does another one. It wasn't that bad dressing Genesis 1. Autofit could about make nearly all of it usable if you were careful about posing and turned off various body parts. I'm told that G2M'sd autofit was better, but never really got into using Genesis 2 myself, so am not going to try to pin myself down on that. But I don't look forward to tryig to autofit an M3 outfit to G3.

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,084

    I'm having a devil of a time tryig to autofit to G2 anything. Shrinkwrap city. It's particularly annoying with coats and jackets, where stuff should hang, but even the men's garments outline the pecs.

     

    I'm annoyed that I have no easy option other than Zev0's Fit Control. I mean, I like Zev0, and am VERY thankful the products exist, but... ugh

     

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    JaguarElla said:
    Xenomorphine said:

    Be careful what you wish for... :) If the ratios were balanced, many male outfits would be impractical skimpwear, too!

    I mean, the Tau Ceti Overseer is a costume I've been waiting for a discount on for ages. Today, I almost got it! But then, at the last moment, I noticed it has the most bizarre... I don't know what to call it. A metal vaginal clamp? The rest of it is of very impressive quality, but now I've noticed that feature I can never un-see it! All those artistic ideas I did have for it, I now realise would have been massively inappropriate to have included it in.

    So, take a good, hard look at all those examples of female clothing and keep in mind how inappropriate/impractical a lot of it actually is. Do you really want G2M to have, say, almost all emergency service outfits to make him look like a half-naked stripper? :)

    I just had a look and realized how practical that is, it is scifi armour with a urine containing unit as you would indeed need yes

    well, thats half the containment issue solved

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,084

    Those shaders are amazing, btw.

    Mec4D or did they come with the suit?

     

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    Fisty said:

    I got sick of all the pretty medieval(ish) dresses for Vicky and poor Mike doesn't have anything proper to wear to go out with her.. so I fixed it.

    thanks!!!

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    I tend to view most daz clothing as being pretty fantasy driven. .

    Most women's wardrobes, (although some may), do not likely consist of skimpy outfits with big holes in smexy places.

    The blue clamp thing on that armored women' suit, cannot be unseen now that It has been brought to my attention. =-/ 

  • Design Anvil - Razor42Design Anvil - Razor42 Posts: 1,249
    edited August 2015
    RCTSpanky said:

    I would buy more male clothes if there would be more to buy in the store. to say clothes for the females sells better is a weak argument. I'm sure there are more than enough poducts for the females, which sell bad or sell just because they are in bundles.

    It's a history of sales that led to this point. Sales wise in my experience a female targeted item of the skimpware variety will easily sell ten to one of an item for a male of similar quality. Making any item for the store has a certain amount of risk, as a PA if you can mitigate that risk to around 10% why wouldn't you? That is at the heart of the problem. 

    The Issue: Not enough male focused items in the store.

    The Reason: Male items rarely see the return of a female item of the same quality (This has been the case for at least a decade now, it's not new and the sources for it are pretty wide and in general agreement )   

    The solution: ?

    It's easy to generalise and say if the market demand was there it would be made, It is clear that there is a market for male clothing. But sales wise its been proven that the market is somewhat smaller than the buying market for the female items. Which means the risk of a poor performing item is also somewhat larger for the PA.

    If you staunchly believe vendor consensus is wrong, why not commision a PA to make a male item for you, pay them the approx amount that a similar female piece would make for the full rights to the item for resale. Then sell that item in the store and see if you make a profit on the deal. If you are right you could be sitting on a potential goldmine. However if the PA's experience does hold true you, will likely end up losing money on the deal.  But you would be putting your money up, instead of demanding a vendor take all the risk for your benefit.  If you did lose money would you want to repeat the experience?

    But obviously vendors explaining the reasons doesn't lead to a real solution to the issue. But neither does demanding it be "Fixed".

     

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  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    Check out Scott 7 just appearing in the store. Looks good to me! =-)

  • Design Anvil - Razor42Design Anvil - Razor42 Posts: 1,249
    edited August 2015

    Scott 6 :)

    http://www.daz3d.com/08-25-scott-6

    Post edited by Design Anvil - Razor42 on
  • SorelSorel Posts: 1,412

    store needs to load everything so I can throw my credit card at it

  • DaikatanaDaikatana Posts: 830
    dclane said:

    store needs to load everything so I can throw my credit card at it

    likewise! 

     

  • chris-2599934chris-2599934 Posts: 1,903

    Hey look what's on sale today!

    50% OFF these items for Scott 6...

    Includes 3 g3f characters, g3f morphs and a "Sexy nurse" underwear and uniform (good grief)

    The guys can't even get clothes released to promote male figures.

     

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,306

    Well, finally. A double-breasted suit. I don't think there's been one of those since Freak 4.

  • DarkSpartanDarkSpartan Posts: 1,096

    There hasn't been, Jo. Needless to say, I'm interested.

    That said, I'll be starting in on attempts to make uniform items for men and women as soon as I can lay hands on G3M. I have to make sure I can tailor a single mesh to fit both properly.

    For those waiting for Police and Fire, I'm afraid the current set of characters calls for Military. Sorry.

  • Midnight_storiesMidnight_stories Posts: 4,112
    Design Anvil - Razor42 said:

    It's a history of sales that led to this point. Sales wise in my experience a female targeted item of the skimpware variety will easily sell ten to one of an item for a male of similar quality. Making any item for the store has a certain amount of risk, as a PA if you can mitigate that risk to around 10% why wouldn't you? That is at the heart of the problem. 

    The Issue: Not enough male focused items in the store.

    The Reason: Male items rarely see the return of a female item of the same quality (This has been the case for at least a decade now, it's not new and the sources for it are pretty wide and in general agreement )   

    The solution: ?

    It's easy to generalise and say if the market demand was there it would be made, It is clear that there is a market for male clothing. But sales wise its been proven that the market is somewhat smaller than the buying market for the female items. Which means the risk of a poor performing item is also somewhat larger for the PA.

    If you staunchly believe vendor consensus is wrong, why not commision a PA to make a male item for you, pay them the approx amount that a similar female piece would make for the full rights to the item for resale. Then sell that item in the store and see if you make a profit on the deal. If you are right you could be sitting on a potential goldmine. However if the PA's experience does hold true you, will likely end up losing money on the deal.  But you would be putting your money up, instead of demanding a vendor take all the risk for your benefit.  If you did lose money would you want to repeat the experience?

    But obviously vendors explaining the reasons doesn't lead to a real solution to the issue. But neither does demanding it be "Fixed".

     

    Hmmm this has got me thinking now if there is less competition in men clothing, then it might be worth having a go at. The female clothing market is so over stacked there might be something to this?

  • DarkSpartanDarkSpartan Posts: 1,096
    Midnight_stories said:
    Design Anvil - Razor42 said:

    It's a history of sales that led to this point. Sales wise in my experience a female targeted item of the skimpware variety will easily sell ten to one of an item for a male of similar quality. Making any item for the store has a certain amount of risk, as a PA if you can mitigate that risk to around 10% why wouldn't you? That is at the heart of the problem. 

    The Issue: Not enough male focused items in the store.

    The Reason: Male items rarely see the return of a female item of the same quality (This has been the case for at least a decade now, it's not new and the sources for it are pretty wide and in general agreement )   

    The solution: ?

    It's easy to generalise and say if the market demand was there it would be made, It is clear that there is a market for male clothing. But sales wise its been proven that the market is somewhat smaller than the buying market for the female items. Which means the risk of a poor performing item is also somewhat larger for the PA.

    If you staunchly believe vendor consensus is wrong, why not commision a PA to make a male item for you, pay them the approx amount that a similar female piece would make for the full rights to the item for resale. Then sell that item in the store and see if you make a profit on the deal. If you are right you could be sitting on a potential goldmine. However if the PA's experience does hold true you, will likely end up losing money on the deal.  But you would be putting your money up, instead of demanding a vendor take all the risk for your benefit.  If you did lose money would you want to repeat the experience?

    But obviously vendors explaining the reasons doesn't lead to a real solution to the issue. But neither does demanding it be "Fixed".

     

    Hmmm this has got me thinking now if there is less competition in men clothing, then it might be worth having a go at. The female clothing market is so over stacked there might be something to this?

    If you decide to do that, let me know. I'm certaintly willing to trade a spare pair of hands for instruction on how to do the job properly.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,005

    well I grabbed the suit too today

  • XenomorphineXenomorphine Posts: 2,421
    edited September 2015

    Timmins: That's the costume, itself, I belive. It looks just like that in its own images.

    Serene: Sorry about that - proves my point, though. :)

    And, yeah, I thought of this very discussion when I saw all the new stuff, this morning! Some decent stuff in there.

    Post edited by Xenomorphine on
  • laststand6522732laststand6522732 Posts: 866

    DAZ should advertise more for the male market. It has a niche right now selling adult female skimpwear and clothing where it is quite comfortable, but if they want to attract male content buyers, they need to improve their marketing.

    DAZ Marketing targets DAZ3D at pubescent boys.  75% of all models reflect adoration of an idealized female figure.  Monsters and bodybuilders, symbols of high testosterone levels that they are, make up much of the remaining 25%.  Marketing is doing what they learned to do in school, and DAZ management is collecting a comfortable salary.  There is no incentive to change.  Why mess with success?

    You pays your money, you takes your choice.  laugh

  • AdreanAdrean Posts: 136

    It's not just men's clothings are lacking. The morphs are lacking, too. I remember back in good old days clothes would come with all sorts of morphs, open, close, zippes, belts, pockets, sleeves, all sorts of handy things to help with posing. Nowadays most of the time what you get is just a piece of sheet covering your character. No matter how fance they are, overall most of the stuff I got just lack the utility. This is especially true for clothes found on Daz store. The more advanced their models are, the less utility their outfits have.

    And thank goodness there is Sickleyield who at least considered those aspects. And thank goodness Luthel has made some nice stuff for male characters in fantasy settings, even though with much less (to none) morphs.  I really, really appreciate their products.

  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,232

    Wonder if I can learn how to make good male clothing for you all.

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