Again: why no men's clothes ?
Hera
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OK - we who use the guys a lot have gotten hardened and used to seeing one male outfit for every 25 female outfit or so - but this is getting ridiculos!! When was the last male outfit in the store? The Hazmat suite? And that was more than a month ago!
Give us a break please!
And why not give us at least half of those scifi uniforms and stuff, (like The Guardian, Shadow or Eclipse) for the boys - or some kind of counterpart.
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The G3F stuff that would be good for the mens would probably have to wait until we see G3M.
Yeah, I dont think we will see much stuff for guys until G3M is out. Or at least the new G2M figure they mentioned.
If you forecast based on trend, we should see about 10 clothing items for G3M within a few weeks when he's released. There will also be 20 for the numerous G3F figures released around the same time.
Here's a summary what people usually say. This is the usual responses I think.
"because men's clothing doesn't sell." "Because you aren't buying men's clothing." "Did you buy random outfit x for male character" "Look at the sales figures of men's clothing." "Pa's make what sells and when such and such someone took a risk it didn't pan out and so, they went back to making what sells, which is not sadly not going to be a lot of guy stuff.'" "People must feed their families." "Mens stuff sells at a smaller perecentage than women's stuff."
I think that summarized what I've seen whenever this topic is brought up. Sadly, there doesn't appear to be much interest in men's things outside of new figure releases, because of the simple matter of lack of profit.
I agree, it would be great to see male counterparts of those two sci-fi outfits.
I've seen boot sets that come out for females. Great looking boots and anxiously awaited the male version that ever came out. Lost interest. Saved money.
For what it's worth, everyone should go hit up https://www.wilmapsdigitalcreations.co.uk/ for free clothing. Lots of REALLY good stuff.
I'd love to see much more male content as well... but I'm not expecting it. As Serene said... if it doesn't sell, PAs won't make it (much). Sex sells, and in particular skimpy, revealing 'skimp-wear' sells for figures that look like supermodels. Anything else apparently just sits there taking up sever space. I find it frustrating but there is little I can do. Sure, I buy plenty of the regular clothing for both males and females, relative to what is in my content folder (i.e. on a percentage basis), but I am *one* customer. Even if I could afford everything on my wish list, my purchases are a drop in any PA's bucket.
I really wish I had the time, talent, or inclination to make my own clothing, but I just don't. So... oh well.
Why no men's clothing? Because on this planet we keep our men naked.
Sorry, this having 100 female outfits to ever one malke outfit is just dumb. People have mentioned things like boots and sci-fi uniforms and armor that is easy to move from one figure to another and no one ever does. If you look at the shopping page there is over a 100 outfits and features for female characters and no mens. The reason men stuff doesn't sell is because the only thing people make are jeans and tshirts. 100 different shoes for women and we cannot get anybody to make a pair of real biker boots or combat boots for guys?!?!?! I wish I too was good at making clothes and props for men, because I would. Daz loose money from me because they ignore men completely.
I'm working on it ZOMG! (like litterally working on promos right now)
This is a common complaint which I share, but things have improved for Genesis and G2M. While G2M has only 1/4 the number of outfits in the store as G2F and very rarely have a male equivelant of female uniforms, they do a pretty good job of covering the basics. After looking at what's available, the only things missing are:
Bussiness Suit, Tuxedo, Pajamas, some Underwear - can use the genesis versions.
Shoes - most types are available with different outfits, only thing really missing are cowboy boots, hiking shoes, and sandals.
Soldiers combat uniform - only one available has no helmet and an AK-47, an American uniform would be nice.
Cowboy outfit - the one available I find to be uninspiring.
American Indian outfits - the ones available are unrealistic and they don't even have a realistic version for G2F. A remake of the M4/V4/K4 outfits would be very nice. Other styles besides or in addition to Cheyenne/Plains would be good as well.
Egyptian outfits - they seem to have skipped this for genesis 2.
Sci-Fi uniforms with a matching female equivelant.
Beyond these items, there is not a lot left to do for G2M.
Edit: if you think the selection for male clothes is bad, try looking for children's clothes, lol.
Fisty always here to save the day! /' ')/
Yay! Thanks Fisty.
In the real world, women buy a lot more clothes then men, I understand. My male figures usually wear jeans etc; sometime a suit or whatever I can get together using dynamics. Now it isn't because there is not the variety but my characters are usually not the sort to pander to the demands of fasion.
Guns now are different, they like their guns. :P
I've been working on it for about 9 months now, so there's nothing remotely halfassed about it, it's better than most of my female sets, actually probably better than all of them. It's a little bit niche though (no much.)
Sneak peak? ;D
Be careful what you wish for... :) If the ratios were balanced, many male outfits would be impractical skimpwear, too!
I mean, the Tau Ceti Overseer is a costume I've been waiting for a discount on for ages. Today, I almost got it! But then, at the last moment, I noticed it has the most bizarre... I don't know what to call it. A metal vaginal clamp? The rest of it is of very impressive quality, but now I've noticed that feature I can never un-see it! All those artistic ideas I did have for it, I now realise would have been massively inappropriate to have included it in.
So, take a good, hard look at all those examples of female clothing and keep in mind how inappropriate/impractical a lot of it actually is. Do you really want G2M to have, say, almost all emergency service outfits to make him look like a half-naked stripper? :)
*whistles*
I just had a look and realized how practical that is, it is scifi armour with a urine containing unit as you would indeed need
Why should the male characters be satisfied with just the basics. Honestly. Having one of anything shouldn't be enough. How can female characters have 800 pairs of shoes and male characters have one really bad pair of work boots. 1000s of piece of skimpy ware of women, are 3 kinds of basic shorts for men. 10000 dresses for women, and 6 pairs of jeans (which all look the same) for men. Hell, even the lonely baseball cap, which men where 10 time more than women, cannot even get a good model of that. If you are going to make "basic" models of something then make them good. Make them where we can modify them with texture, colors, logos, easily since nobody is going to make anything else ever. The fact that there is no real cowboy hat, real good police uniform, fire uniform, EMT, uniform. Hell. these are things Daz should have made for their software. The idea that one leather jacket is all male characters need. Really, are our imagnations so limited that blue jeans, tshirt and gym shoes are all your characters need. But ever female character must have 74 versions of a nightly. Thats bull. The reason male products dont sell is because all too often (other than a few artist) people just throw the same old thing out there and expect us to buy it.
looks like it will be fantasyish. Do want.
Medieval, 90ish % period correct (boots are more modern construction and belt buckle is questionable), will work great for fantasy.
I got sick of all the pretty medieval(ish) dresses for Vicky and poor Mike doesn't have anything proper to wear to go out with her.. so I fixed it.
You had to chose that cliche topic: cause women love their shoes. :)
I'm not sure I entirely agree that women buy more clothing than men. My father has by far the biggest and most expensive wardrobe in the family including many pairs of shoes. And it depends on the time period. Outfits, customs, and clothing has varied throughout the ages. =-) So I'd say that depends on the person, rather than on the gender. I personally am not too overly nterested in clothing myself.
Besides, who wants to render just contemporary dudes? How boring. =-) I'm interersted in sci-fi, and I hope in the future fashion and who wears it will be just as varied as people are.
What I'd like to see is more futuristic stuff.
The biggest issue I seem to run into with men is the pants. somehow they just don't capture the loose pant look too well.
Pretty much for the same reason that a shirt on a female model is more likely than not to cling to the breasts and stomach - the further the clothing hangs from the body the harder it is to rig, and the more user-intervention (morph-dialing) is likely to be required in use.
Short Answer: Most men are satified with one or two items. Go to your local mall, count how many clothing stores there are that sell exclusively or primarily Womans Clothing. Now Count how many sell exclusively or primarily Mens Clothing. Now look at the what's being sold, and I'll bet it's primarily Jeans and Tees in the mens store (unless you are lucky enough to have a high end store in your area) The simple basic fact is the majority of men do not care about fasion, and it does show in Daz as well. Serene Night summed up nicely all the reasons PA's have given as well. Also Don't limit yourself to just what is new, go through the older stuff too. With Autofit, I use M4, G1, and G2 products interchangably, rarely with any issues. Some older stuff needs to be retextured, but I've seen new stuff that needs retexturing as well. You'd be surprised at just how much is actually out there (and this goes for whatever you are looking for), Here is just some of what I found for Leather Jackets, in a quick search. A couple could use a little work, but is a reasonable selection.
https://www.daz3d.com/adventure-s-jacket-for-genesis-2-male-s
http://www.daz3d.com/fur-leather-and-stripes
http://www.daz3d.com/leather-jacket-for-genesis
http://www.daz3d.com/dynamic-leather-jacket-for-michael-and-freak-4
http://www.daz3d.com/m4-leather-jacket
http://www.daz3d.com/michael-5-the-dynamic-wardrobe
http://www.daz3d.com/leather-jacket-expansion
http://www.daz3d.com/born-to-be-wild-biker-outfit-for-michael-4
http://www.daz3d.com/casual-1950-for-genesis-male
http://www.daz3d.com/leathered-up
http://www.daz3d.com/hounddog-clothes
http://www.daz3d.com/urban-wear-for-m4
http://www.daz3d.com/mean-streets-for-genesis-male
http://www.daz3d.com/dark-passion-for-genesis-2-males
http://www.daz3d.com/western-outlaw-for-genesis-2-male-s
Ahh.. I think this is the source of the problem. I'm sure Daz has some artists on staff to do specific things, But the vast majority of the content is, as I understand it, made on commision by people who only get paid when something sells. They Don't work for Daz, Daz doesn't tell them what to make or when to make it. So if they don't want to make something, they don't, and there is nothing really Daz can do about it.
End of the day, The Basic law of Supply and Demand rules here. There is, and likely always will be a greater demand for Womens Clothing than Mens. But this is even more so right now, as G3F has been released, yet no G3M yet. The Vendors are rushing to fill the High demand for G3F clothing while the supply is low, and I'd bet there are more than a handful of G2M items that are almost ready for release that have been "shelved" for the moment, to take advantage of the low supply of G3F. Once G3M is released, things will change again, at least some. Of course there will always be some who Buck the trend (looking at you Fisty), Now that is not saying there isn't a market for Mens clothing, it's just not as big as for Womens stuff.
I know sex sells and all that, but it's gotten to the point where it's borderline discrimination towards alternative art that don't involve dolled up 3D female figures in a studio doing a super model pose in a thong. It's shifted towards almost total dominance in female skimp wear. Dude they hardly ever make houses or cars or guns or Animals or space ships or anything anymore. Basicly they have 1 motive - Female skin mats and skimpy clothing for females. Yee haa, for creative thinking. You guys complain about the male to female ratio. Where as me, I render mostly children. I'm not only out of luck. I'm DOUBLE out of luck. I have to use zbrush on almost all my outfits, and create my own mats in order to render a youngster. Which has actualy helped me in the long run I'll admit my skill is 10 fold what it would have been had there of been childrens clothing, but still it would be nice to not have to spend 2 days on an outfit every single fraking time I want to make something.
I see what you are talking about but to be honest, I'd still get it If I were you, It is a great outfit, and geographs are easy enough to do, you could fix that small problem much easier than making something that looks that good. even some basic retexturing or a cover of some sort would fix it. Even just turning it grey and removing the gold highlights could make than fade away some (ok, I know, once seen, always seen, but options).
My pet peeve is when an item is made for women only that lends itself to a male counterpart - like a scifi uniform for example. If you wanted to use the product to illustrate a story featuring both genders, you're SOL unless you're satisfied with how the autofit works. But the styling and details are still usually more suited to a feminine body, because that's what the artist intended.