Genesis 3 anatomical elements textures?
bsett
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I purchased the Victoria 7 pro bundle which included the Gen 3 genitalia accessory and textures. I’ve also purchased several other Genesis 3 female characters. Some have included an additional texture for the genitalia accessory and others have not.
My question is why isn’t this texture included with all genesis 3 custom skins? It can’t be a prudish thing as the content creators don’t seem to have any problem drawing a detailed genitalia area on the torso maps so I can only assume it’s a matter of laziness to avoid the additional work required.
Since genesis 3 female no longer has the additional genitalia shaping sliders I find that the anatomy accessory is the only means to provide verity in this area and trying to match the default V7 genitalia texture to a custom skin tone is a PITA.
I won’t single the content creators that are not supplying these textures but am giving notice that from here on I am no longer purchasing your products. Sure I may only be a single customer but if you can afford to lose customers so be it.
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you can make your own genital morphs pretty easy...and I am sure there are some floating around on the internet. Or you could transfer some from G2F to G3F. So the geo-graft isn't the only option for basic shaping in that area.
If the product doesn't list it comes with genital textures, it does not.
Not everyone renders nudes, and even when they do many don't use the pro pack stuff. And many don't need the extra detail.
I'm sorry to hear that but I do understand.
There are some workflow issues regarding texturing the gens area. I was not happy to pass it by on my one G3 release and plan on including textures for it in the future (not immediate, but soon). My understanding is that several of us have had this problem. We're not trying to slight our customers or be prudish... sometimes we just struggle too.
Be gentle with us and give us a chance.
I haven't swapped to G3 yet, but I have trouble understanding why the genital geograft required a completely new workflow to be added to it. I can understand that changing the UV for the new generation requires new texture patterns, but I very much doubt that there was any kind of serious improvement to the geo-graft that would require something beyond mirroring the hip materials. Maybe they did. I should say I can't see any good reason why.
Good on the vendors for the artists for tackling the added difficulty, but forcing them to do extra work for a very limited use item reeks of planned obsolescence to me.
the gens area is no longer a carbon copy of the hip. its a totally new arrangement.
Which makes it much better for detailing... it's actually oriented in a way that gives the area priority in the UV. The genital UV is exclusively for this area, there is no torso. Where as the old front facing torso map wasn't focusing on the underside of the anatomy. So instead of a "camera" of the front of the character, this is an upskirt "camera", and the entire map is dedicated to it.
I don't understand the workflow challenge myself as I am not a PA, but I could understand it is more than just mirroring the hips because the textures are not laid out as they were historically.
I think the issue may be the seams - it's necessary to get a match all the way around the genital graft, on a much nastier boundary than in most of the map joins (such as limbs to torso), without messing up the base texture (so only the graft texture can be edited). Even with a 3D painting tool that's tricky
that makes a lot of sense actually.
Yes, it does. And if you didn't have a geograft in the first place, and the model was anatomically correct, then all of this fiddling about wouldn't be necessary. Oh dear ... DAZ and Genitals ... what a tangled web they've managed to weave.
I won't make the obvious comment of "did nobody think of the texturing issues when they designed the new genitalia?" because I know that most of the DAZ corporation do not believe that reproductive organs have any place on a 3D model (unless it's to put them in a Pro Pack to maximise profits).
As someone with zero interest in most of the sexy things and the young waif girl content being churned out, welcome to the club of not being the core market.
I'm happy that the default textures from Genesis onward don't come with baked in purple rashes. Sure I never use the stock texture, but those purple rashes V4 had looked contagious.
There is that I suppose
Actually, I've been a member for quite a long time
Exactly, but the real question is why was that change made. It seems odd that DAZ would suddenly care about the defintion of gens.
It's a total reversal of how they gimped the area previously. I was surprised myself. If anything one might speculate it could prevent the need for some of us going elsewhere to get more functional bits. Not sure that is all however, or even a consideration.
I don't need really fucntional bits myself...so I was always apprehensive to visit other places for my simple needs. But with the way the current layout is, I couldn't imagine a reason I would need another prop. However I do see how some people may want even more...
Why the change is anyone's guess, and I doubt we will ever have an answer.
For my time, it's a major pain- Richard is right. Getting those seams perfect is a major pain, and you don't have the torso texture on the same map to share paint using something like a healing brush. Also note that the new template is the same size as every other texture on the map, and it doesn't take much of an error to have to start all over again.
You could use the torso texture and airbrush it out, but unless you have a completely even skin texture, you're still going to see the edges of the graft.
My first thought was along that line as well, but it kind of flies in the face of the family-friendly mission. I'm not planning on swapping to G3 until something that is clearly impossible with G2 comes along, so it's really no skin off my back.
There are morph packs for these gens, as well as entirely new geografts that don't require the G3 gens at all, available from that other site that sells that sort of stuff. One such product even runs an automatic script to match the character's texture. I got some interesting resuls with Rawn's Queen Cobra character (after removing the tail).
now that I did not know..
I've seen some of those morh packs but not the one you mentioned wiith the texture matching script. Still don't see how it would be able to get the seams to match prooerty as Richard mentioned above. After spending time in PS to try and make a few of my own G3 gens textures about the only way I found to deal with the seam issue was with my fems needing to go bushty down below.
Yeah, it's interesting how others could acheive more functional results than DAZ, despite far less warning. It took less than a week for the site which shall not be named* to have a full line of G3F products, and I think Renderosity is the only site with any selection of non-caucausian character sets.
*Renderotica Renderotica Renderotica! It's just funnier to call it by other names. :)
Cause PAs. *chuckles*
After some review, Nothing new over there that I haven't seen. But at least someone tried.
To be fair it's kind of their thing over there lol
It is insane that you must purchase the Victoria Pro Bundle to get the Genesis 3 genitalia. There are literally zero things in that bundle, other than Victoria herself, that I want or need aside from the genitalia prop. And then, just to make it even worse, the Pro bundle comes with exactly zero materials that actually support the gernitalia prop. The basic material set that comes with Genesis 3 doesn't support it either.
All the characters in the V7 Pro Bundle include textures for the genitals, as I recall.
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The product is by a chap called 3feetwolf and he is very good at what he does. I use his G2F version in place of the poor stock G2 Daz geograft and it works really well. He also provides amazing customer service - if you buy his product and run into any problems you can just email him and he'll sort it out for you almost right away. A couple of times he even created custom textures for me upon request when the product wasn't quite managing it on certain models. A really nice guy.
Richard summed it up, and it is a seam issue. It is not laziness, and yes, it is a PITA to match them. I'm working on a skin.
Sample workflow: Export model without gens and paint texture. Export model with gens, import non gens maps onto new model. Paint gens textures making sure texture does not go over seams on gens geograft. Export torso map with geograft and without, and combine relevant area in image editor. The trick is to have no seams on the torso area if not using the geograft, and also no seams if one is using the geograft. The geograft does not match up with the torso texture. If you hide the geograft in your 3D paint program, the area becomes blank. How do you paint, or match seams, on a blind spot?
I'm not nearly as fast as Lyoness at making character skins, so the one I'm working on took about 2 days of production time to get the kinks worked out on how to best attack the gens maps, and blending the seams. The next ones will be faster. I've painted many skins, but the reason the only ones in my store are the "toon" skins is because I've not yet managed to get a "complete and detailed" skin that is up to MY standards. It is not laziness, but it goes back to the dilema PAs face of production time for added features, or supported programs, versus the amount of "possible" increased sales. We all want our characters to be as complete as possible. We all want to put out the highest quality of product we can. And we also need to buy groceries and pay bills, so 2 extra days of work may, or may not be, time effective.
Thank you for voicing your concerns.
Just two days for you? A basic skin set took me more than a week with a resource to use for a base. Mind, I spent four days of that trying to get the bloody seams on that thing to work properly.
Since you offered a sample workflow, I'll show my appreciation by seeing if I can make it work ;)
Questions for Lyoness and DestinysGarden, if you're still reading this thread:
@Lyoness - I'd be very interested in a cute G3 version similar to LY Jolie or LY Dominique
. Any plans for something like this? Also, I really like LY Kassandra and will definitely want to pick it up once you've added the gens textures. I'm afraid that, like the OP, gens textures are a must for me too. Its a shame that G3 has made this difficult for you guys, but unfortunately it doesn't change the fact that some of us consider them a must-have on all characters we buy.
@DestinysGarden - What character is the dark-brunette on the right in this promo image http://www.daz3d.com/dg-up-close-portrait-studio-poses-for-genesis-3-female-s-and-victoria-7 please? I really like her.
The ones that work the best, seem to be those that have a seperate Torso texture for use with the gens texture.
@DestinysGarden - what tl155180 said.