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Things I consider when buying a figure:
#1: Will it work in my preferred program, Poser? So far Genesis 3 doesn't, which is why I've passed on all her stuff except freebies I can play with in Daz Studio trying to get used to it. That leaves me with M4 and V4, of which I own all their bundles and mostly everything else, Genesis and G2. So, on to the next question.
#2: Is the figure male and/or non-white? I prefer males in my art because frankly I'm bored silly with all the cookie cutter vanilla Vickys out there that everybody and his dog is rendering (mostly) naked in temples with swords. Bring on the Giannis and the Darius's, please. Oh, and the Moniques and Gias and Olympias too. Not to mention those sexy succubi/incubi, gotta love me some magical critters and aliens.
#3: Price, especially as relates to bundles and their content. Last Pro Bundle I bought was quite awhile ago, the others only had a few items that fit my needs and many that didn't. If I had an option to build my own, plus because I am an adult, buy the genitals, that's the route I would have gone. Instead I bought the starter which had less of what I'd never use and took me to a third party to get the other bits Daz won't sell otherwise.
#4: How often am I likely to use it? Once or twice, infrequently, I'll probably pass or wait for an insanely deep discount sale if it's something I like but won't use too often. So the more uses I can see for it, the more likely I am to buy.
Long story short, aside from personal taste, useability and value -- getting the most bang for my hard-earned and ever shrinking Canadian dollars -- is what prompts me to either buy or pass on by a new figure.
Like some others above, I buy unique -- Monique, Mei-Lin, Joanie etc. Might buy Beth, I'll see if my future needs include something so-- uh, zaftig. But I'd rather buy a Mei-Lin or another Asian female for G3.
At the moment, the only reason I'd buy V7 would be if M7 looks good and I want to crossdress him with unisex style clothing made for V7. I don't see the benefit of G3 yet. Things like knee bends don't looks better, the flesh still doesn't self-collide and you'd need to buy a 'beautiful bends' package (which is usually only made for female figures) to get a good look.
Actually, if you go and open the "drafts" under that little gear thing up in the top right corner, you can then click on the "x" to delete them
Tim: One issue I'm finding is that as I polish my skills with Genesis 1&2, I'm seeing huge leaps and bounds... and it doesn't look significantly different than Genesis 3. Given it's a HUGE cost outlay to convert to something that's mostly imcompatible... the math is easy.
Now if Genesis 3 sees a rise of a lot of content that really calls to me, like maybe some incredibly sophisticated monster/racial modeler or whatnot, maybe it'll pull me.
Note that, again, I don't in any way fault Daz3d for G3. I can totally see and accept their explanation for the changes. They're cool, and there's hundreds of products I still want from them for G1 and G2.
The problem is that the G3F product is all coming from the exact same vendors, and most of the improvements on G3F are most noticeable the less she's wearing. So where's the incentive for a vendor to come in and NOT repeat the formula that's been selling for them already?
Maybe there isn't, and I'll just never convert. Oh well!
...good point about "beautiful bends" like morphs, why dio they not make them for males?
..I noticed. Seems everyone is jumping on the G3 bandwagon leaving G2 to look like lat year's Christmas toy.
...and the original Genesis? Seems like it's been thrown in a box in the attic underneath a stack of old Life magazines
I'm doing a webcomic with lots of characters I will need over time so really, I just buy as many figures as I can afford. Usually, I have a particular character in mind and a figure/texture that I want for that character. When I need the character, I buy the figure. For instance, when I decided to make Liberty Lass based on the FW Cassie for Teen Josie 6 character, that dictated my need to buy Teen Josie. When I decided to add her friend based on Teen Jordan 6, then I bought him. When I needed her father, I went with some Michael 6 variant. And so on.
I can't speak for the vendor, but I would imagine it would be additional work to make the morphs looks good on a male body and they just don't feel the effort is worth the reward.
Some rare characters, I buy because they look just like what I need. :-)
Most characters I buy because of the skins&eyes, and some rare for the shape (like Boris HD). I like using different skins on characters, to make them look quite different with the same mesh underneath. It's also a simple way to create siblings. :-)
A major selling point to me is the quality and uniqueness of the character, i.e. skins. My workflow is usually that I use a character as a base that gets closest to what I have in mind, slap on a different skin to fit it (or use the original one), and then spin a few dials to make it an individual. Pre-made characters are time-savers and an important base.
What makes me not buy a character is when it's too repetitive of already existing characters, and the skin is also the "same old". Now, I'm not blaming artists for using the same skin on various characters. I've been around this forum long enough to understand the reasons, but it would not induce me to buy a character - unless the morph is one that I can't pass. (Yeah, so I'm complicated. ;-)).
Hate to break it to you, but Gia and Olympia are both white. ;)
A common 'problem' with the AoA SSS presets supplied with most of the base figures I think - makes them look like they've over done it with the fake tanning oil.
Money is the first consideration when purchasing a new figure. Do I have it? I like (at least liked) to purchase the Pro bundle for new figures for the variety, but that is starting to lose its charm. Recently, the pro bundles don't seem to have as many items, nor "exclusive" items as there were in the past. The variety is also starting to diminish significantly, IMHO. Short dress, short hair, nearly nothing outfit, another short hair etc.
Next is does the figure "call" to me. I bought Gia Pro Bundle as soon as I could. I have been using Studio to create, visually, what my role-playing characters look like, and I often tend to fighters, so Gia offered that as a base for working with, and Naomi has become one of my favorite skins to use until I figure out what I really want.
Then, sometimes, there is the "lemming" factor. Everybody seems to be buying and praising a figure and I just want to be part of the crowd. This doesn't affect me as much as it use to because I don't lurk as long or frequently, so I find less tempting conversations going on
Yes, I did buy the V7 Pro Bundle. I was curious about her and my hubby was kind and told me I could re-allocate the money he set aside. If I didn't get a subscription, I could get her. I have only pulled her up once, and I was not over-whelmed. So future Genesis 3 figures? I haven't even bought all of the Genesis 2 ones yet, and there are some that I still do want, even the Pro bundles.
..leg, foot, arm, torso, and hand bends shouldn't be any more difficult to create for male characters than for female. In some ways I would think less so. Male characters are more likely to have the upper body bared, so fixes to arm arm and torso bends are just as important to avoid "crimping" (particularly in the underarm and inner elbow( as well as hip joint, back of the knee, wrist and ankle.
If it's the same amount of work and only a fraction of the people buy them, it's far less profitable. Not to mention that the male figures are far more likely to be used with clothing that covers up the potentially afflicted areas. I've always got the impression that, even for a for a lot of people who do buy the male figures, they're treated more like props than the central characters in many renders.
Mine aren't
..bad joint posing aflects the look of clothing fits.
Don't visit many gay sites do you?
imo, latent homophobia is a significant factor in the amount of female models, characters, content and art I see at the various stores and galleries
I mainly use DAZ to create models for usage in my game engine, as I'm an awful modeler when it comes to humans, and I'm even more awful at texturing and rigging - hey, I'm a coder after all. ;p
DAZ makes it easy for me to get real good looking characters for my engine - so far all for internal use only, there's still so much to do *sigh*.
I also do some renders, but, despite the extra quality, it's sooo slow and it did not get any better with Iray. NVidia strikes again...*sigh*
Therefore, my criterias somewhat are:
I'm still undecided whether G3 is really a benefit for my engine. So I'm still buying G2 but also G3, with focus on G3, as I already own quite some G2 stuff.
I wish they would provide much more tools for exporting the assets, it's all so tedious and needs a lot of scripts to get it up and running at a basic level and there are so many quirks to work around. *sigh*
How much content there is available for it, do I need it, and do I think its worth the price. If there is something I kind of like I wait till its at one of the 70% off sales. I'm a very late adapter to G2F and have no content for any of the males. The complete and utter lack of a Hiro 6 has killed the G2M product line for me. I know there are toon males for it but they are not what I'm looking for. I have no interest in working with any of the G3 figres and products. I don't like using bones or magnets, and I just don't see that big of an advancement in the technology and the current product line is lacking in anything I need or want.
Welp, my wishlist just hit 300 items. WOO.
No, but the words I used were "for a lot of". The current statistics suggest that 10% of the general population is gay, which, from a marketing standpoint, is a small portion of the total market. That's not to say that people who produce that kind of work don't buy a larger than proportional percentage of the male oriented product out there, as they most likely do, but given that the overall amount of male 3d items produced and sold is much smaller than that produced and sold for the female market, there's going to be a point where the amount of work involved makes the ROI impractical. And given that there are only a handful of artists who even make smoothing morphs and the fact that none of them are currently making male products, it would seem that they don't believe that the tipping point has been reached.
I find the whole sexist market thing a little confusing. Even if you are doing porn, at least some of the characters are male. Cheesecake supers stuff, you still generally have men running around being victims or villains or sidekicks or whatever.
And particularly for modern day stuff, you need a fair amount of content like suits and stuff.
Unless the market is overwhelmingly 'sexy shots of women by themselves,' you'd think, even assuming the worst, people would still have a big need for male figures and outfits.
Yes, they do. But not as badly as the shrinking wrapping effects of auto-fit, and look at the relatively small number of products that have been introduced to combat that. The last I heard, neither Sickleyield or Zev0 have their own personal jets, so it's not a matter of whether a product will make something look better, but whether enough people will pay for it.
I'm really looking forward to getting Fit Control when I have money. Trying to cross-fit stuff for large breasted women looks HORRIFIC.
I was happy to get the A Gentleman's Wardrobe, fit it to a larger woman, and was like... wtf. No.
Sickleyield has a product called "Front Fixer" over at Renderosity for G3F for shrink wrap bust and crotch that works great. :)