break up some stereo-types?
Mistara
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intead of voodoo, kungfu/karate chopping, war mongering
hmm, nutty professor, ace math student, don juan? hd'scr'tch
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How about five star generals, rockers, bikers, sheiks and chefs :)
yoo mind reader?
i was just thinking i need a cafeteria lady outfit, with the hairnet.
gn shotorder cook is busy cooking short orders.
also needing a cobra for the morphing python, or a cobra
We are talking about 3D characters, right... Not late night hobbies.... I just wanna be sure before I say the wrong thing...
talking store offerings
if i see another karate chopping posed Lee or Mei i might throw up.
kinda curious bout the flipside, what kinda american people stereo-types abound in Asia or Africa 3d store websites?
Morbidly obese gun-carrying numbskulls with no manners who think they're better than the rest of the world? ;)
Of course we're not all like that, which is all the more reason why DAZ seriously needs to stop portraying every Asian as a karate master and every black person as a voodoo practitioner.
I am still waiting for a high quality modern military set, both BDUs and Combat with equipment (not weapons). I have all the other ones in the store and the quality just isn't there. I have game models with more detail. I honestly would rather see a detailed game type model sold here, not a set with overlapping mesh layers for genesis figures, but designed specifically as a military figure with parented equipment options to save on resources and the ability to place more of them easily. Also a dress marine outfit would be welcome.
Since apparently DAZ is branching into the gaming market https://www.morph3d.com/ I would like to see some crossover mesh products for use in DS.
I second FSMCDesigns desire for some decent military clothing. I want clothing that looks like clothing. I've recently purchased a very disappointing set, which uggh, I can't return since it was part of asale, but the cloth and armor in it, just looks like plastic. Since there aren't a lot of mat zones recoloring is an impossibility. So now I have plastic military clothing. Ughh.
I'm not sure why DAZ still sells clothing that comes out with that plastic sheen. More effort needs to be made to make sure the clothing has better standards.
This isn't the only outfit I've seen like that. There are plenty of daily wear outfits that look like plastic barbie clothing.
I'm actually somewhat bored with the marital arts and voodoo stuff. I have limited use for these types of products, and they struck me as too stereotypical when they first came out. Now they just are overdone.
Where are the scientists, the doctor outfits, the nurses, the orderely, the astronaut the medic, the lawyer, the other professions? Would love to see more like that.
And no please, no sexy nurse, doctor...
While I haven't specifically looked into what options if any are available, you might consider using shaders to fix the clothing items you aren't happy with. Just ditch the original material entirely and don't mess with the material zones at all. That might not work for you, or might only work under certain circumstances; obviously there would be no trim, it would all be a similar pattern, etc. However that might work for a solid olive drab uniform, or a camoflage material, etc. One could perhaps add logos, medals, dirt, etc. as another layer without a lot of trouble too. And if it looks "plasticy", try messing around with specularity or reflection or whatever might be incorrectly adding shininess to it.
I know you would obviously prefer they be useable right out of the box and your original request is still valid; but perhaps this would allow you to get some additional use out of what you have currently as well.
...hear hear on the scientist. How about also updating the old Gen4 police uniform, for G2, as well as adding adding RL fire fighter, ambulance/paramedic, and private security guard uniforms
...and may as well throw in "non-sexy" receptionist/secretary, teacher, librarian, nun, construction worker, and cowgirl clothing.
But wouldn't that simply be replacing one set of stereotypes with another set? Or are you saying that you want a broader pool of stereotypes to choose from?
What, you mean you are not all giant breasted/well endowned adult video stars just trying to make ends meet by working part time in Fortune 500 boardrooms and private, Catholic classrooms all across your great country?
While it can take some time, either, use the polygone selection tool to make new mat zones or take the obj into a good uv mapping app and remap the product. Are you familiar with Stitch Witch? It's a relatively fast and easy to use. Remapping or retexturing may be a way to save the product since you are stuck with it (one of the main reasons we ususally opt out of puch promotions).
Thanks guys for the suggestions. I do admit to being a novice with trying to alter textures to look better. I like to alter shapes but the textures and surfaces, not so much... It doesn't help that... some of the content which used to have ds default shaders, now seems to be using Ubersurface shader? That is even more confusing to me, since there are so many options.
Never mind
It's the usual issues.
It's the unexamined 'you have the (white) businesswoman, the (white) doctor, the (white) swordmaster, the Asian martial arts guy, the black voodoo priestess.' The suggestion that normal=white.
It's annoying.
further down the store page, seeing a new Gi, guessing that's why more karate moves for Lee. there's no g2m anime guys to show karate-ing
I've grown up to be sensitized to the issues of race, and how people people are viewed. It would be one thing if Black people were portrayed overwhelmingly outside of the Voodoo genre. And they get one or two voodoo outfits. But when there is a large amount of the same type of thing then it is time to think a bit more.
I actually am curious about the voodoo outfits. They must sell since they keep being made. But I don't see many renders. Is there a great untapped voodoo outfit market I'm unaware of?
right where's my soap box............oh yeah my wife took it away and smashed it up.Probably for the best as my post would get pulled.
It is also notable, and I think regrettable, that promo pictures for 'normal' products (everyday clothing, vehicles, props, poses) rarely portray non-white characters (though poses are often mannequin-type characters). Promo pictures can stimulate an artist's imagination, and if the expected model is a white guy, a render with someone unexpected may prompt a prospective customer to think outside his or her artistic box a little and think about buying the product. Or it just may make yet another [whatever] product look newer.
The promo pictures are, after all, up to the product artists.
i was a lil overwhelmed yesterday.
i went to the store and saw this, my eyes kinda beamed to it, he's perky or cold
without seeing the gi outfit, it looked like gratuitous Lee stereo-typing.
then i went lookin to see if the python had a cobra morph, and got an eye full of this
i don't remember Darius in the python promo
The artist who did the Python image is a facebook friend of mine. He says that DAZ asked for new python art.
My family is about as non-asian as it is possible to look, yet many of us are or were into karate at one time in our lives. We are into firearms, myriad other weapons, and self-defense too, and some of us love strategy war games.
The desire to engage in self-defense knows no ethnic limitations, nor does it know gender or even physical limitatons. I just can't see the point of becoming up in arms if a few adverts show some asian characters engaging in that activity. My mind's eye is not limited by what my physical eyes see, and so my mind's eye can still see non-asians in those outfits, doing those activities.
I have been dancing for many years and have more dance skills than many of my hispanic friends. And my Russian friends. Dancing, leading a lady, and keeping good time has no racial requirements. Again, my mind's eye is not limited by what my physical eyes see in some ad copy.
Please understand that my point is not that I think I am "better" than anybody else. I just think it is possible to shatter the stereotypes in my personal life, because I've done it and I constantly see others do it too...and I'm just too busy to get offended by an advertisement JPG.
Maybe there is a subconscious part to it. Who knows for certain? However, I can assure you that when I consider (or make) a purchase of something in the store that even DID have a stereotypical ad (example, voodoo outfit), I am not even for a moment thinking of making some piece of art to emulate that ad. My mind and my muse are not fettered in that way.
Usually I am looking at the components of the outfit, and trying to think of some other application or use of those components. Like a Halloween outfit. Or a superhero outfit. Or a Cirque du Soleil-esque scene, where the performers are from all manner of different ethnicities and backgrounds anyway. Can I use these boots on this girl (since lady superheroes should NOT be tromping around in high-heels), these beads as coffee table art over here, or can I use those feathers on this other character over there?
As far as the product ads go, the last thing I need to do is take them as if they were a spoon-feeding of ideas. They're just pictures showing off the products. I can certainly trust myself to see the possibilities behind the ads. But then again, I am one of the 7% minority who can see a full and cluttered room and still imagine it completely empty or totally redone, with different floors, walls, and furnishings.
Another thing to think about: How many times have you seen a movie or TV show where the 105 pound heroine was able to swing a 30 pound axe or with her bare fists punch the lights out on an armored male weighing three times as much as she? This seems to be more and more of a norm. Now, with proper training, a 105 pound lady can indeed be formidable, and even deadly (deadly little Miho). But every single time?
But even so, I won't let my imagined indignance get the better of me when I'm shopping for people, clothing, or props. My mind needs to be free, and getting angry will hold me back.
Okay, so now with that rambling missive, I've convinced myself that there are no stereotypes left for me. Or, depending on how you think of it, maybe it's all stereotypical now.
Either way, I think I can move forward. 
Could it be that there were not any asians wearing knight's armor in Europe's past? And in present day, we have bullet proof vests so no ones wearing knight's armor except re-enactors.
Asians may have been the only ones wearing karate suits in the past, but in present day, all of the martial arts studios I've seen in the U.S. are not populated with asians. Even the instructors are non-asian (wearing karated suits)
Never mind
It is hard to explain why even the most benign stereotyping does us all a disservice but I will give you two examples: the first is a version of what is called the Bectdel Test (after an American cartoonist whose character tella another that she has a rule that she will only see a film that has 1) two women in it, 2) who talk to each, 3) about something other than a man). I throw out the challege to find a single product picture that has two non-caucasian people doing something with a product that doesn't include stereotyped ethnic dress (i.e... martial arts or geisha ware for Asians or sports/inaccurate jungle voodoo/ thug clothes for black people).... The second example has to do with a current sale which connected to transportation: find a single ad image that contains a non-caucasian using the product at all if the vehicle doesn't have an ethnic connection. One would think that the builk of the world's population would use a car or a bike...
How about Japanese Cowboy, White Rapper, Female President, Rationale protester, Lazy German, Happy Clown, Male Mother, Portugese Kung Fu Fighting Champion, Surfing Inuit, Big game hunter Vegan, Deadly pacifist?
"A counter-stereotype, reverse stereotype, or anti-stereotype is the reverse of a stereotype. Although counter-stereotypes arise in opposition to stereotypes, they may eventually become stereotypes themselves if they are too popular." - From wikipedia
It seems to break the stereotype I need to create something that is totally new, highly unlikely and most totally irrelevant to any known or common associations with the intended subject. Think of the scary clown, the stereotype was happy friendly clowns that made you laugh, but now we have a relatively new stereo type of the scary clown which possibly replaced the stereotype of a sad clown.
So in a way making anything for a specific race or gender that is a known/likely association could be construed as stereotyping. The store needs more male paper mache miniskirts with barbed wire seams. Giant hair rollers for bald people. Invisible binoculars for blind moles. An Italian Mafioso type character is reinforcing a stereotype but if I make a 3 legged labrador lesbian mafia er godfather then I am smashing stereotypes. :) Fist pump! :) Now I know what I need to make next, wonder how many it will sell. Surely this is what is wanted for peoples artistic renders, right? ;)
Here is a challenge for you if you would like to play,
Name a typical profession/pursuit/hobby or style of dress for any specific racial group without alluding to a stereotype?
Name a colour that young boys/girls typically like? Remember no stereotypes.
Name something that is common for young people to say they would love to be when they grownup?
What is a non stereotypical clown?
Let's not start hating on what individual PA's are creating for the store, just because they produce a few products they may reflect a specifc ethnic ethos pls. I'm sure if there were no Kung Fu poses for Lee. The title of this thread would be "Why are there no Kung Fu poses for Lee 6?"
Never mind
I don't consider it hating on pas not to like content for whatever reason. God knows I like only about 1/3 of the content sold here.
Me not liking it doesn't mean it isn't well done or great in other ways, it just isn't to my taste.