Painter's Lights
Xenomorphine
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If anyone has this...
http://www.daz3d.com/painter-s-lights
What's meant by 'Sun Sky Dial Environment Presets'? Is this aspect 3Delight-compatible or exclusively for Iray renderings?
I'm tempted to get it for when I do start Iray stuff (which won't be until I can afford certain shaders for it), because it appears to be able to produce a night-like effect, but I'm curious as to what the above means. Right now, I'm staying with 3Delight, because it's what I know.
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The lights presets are Iray only; the Sun-Sky-Dial is a helper to control the direction of the sunlight.
Though, you don't need special shaders to render in Iray; DS does auto-converting pretty good, and it comes with a good starting collection of shaders.
Ah, useful... Thanks!
From what I've seen, using existing 3Delight-era shaders is a bit hit-or-miss in Iray and there are certain effects I need to reproduce for some art projects. It's like when I had to take the plunge and upgrade all my Genesis morphs to Genesis 2 standard!
Well, you can get good results with the existing shaders; for example, for the leather boots, I apply the standard leather shader, kicked out the diffuse&gloss; maps, increased the bump, removed the normal maps, and changed the color from brown to near black. Then all it needed was to adjust the glossy roughness so you don't get sparkled to death. ;-)
But of course, if you are using this for business, it's a lot of time tinkering around with the materials to make it look perfect; a shader preset would certainly save a lot of that time.
Not quite business, no. But Iray doesn't yet have any equivalent shaders for, say, Marshian's one for creating underwater relics.
And I'd still like someone to produce sell a small set of some user-friendly one-click night/outer space backgrounds for it. :) There are some work-arounds, but it would be very desirable to have the same kind of functionality we have with 3Delight skydomes, like Digivault's excellent stardomes.
So these are iray lights? I looked at the product and it seemed great, but nowhere did it say iray (either in the promo images or in the description) It's listed as Daz 4.7 compatible, so I assumed it's for 3delight. Can somebody clarify this? Thanks
It's in the product's description, Iray only.
The 4.7 is not really a reliable value, but the details usually are.
You can check the readme and see if it says anything there. If installing manually, just go to the product page and look up the sku jsut under hte price and go here. If your installing with DIM then click on the "i" next to the product and it will take you directly to the readme.
Yes, they are Iray...
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/57735/P15/#839981
Thanks for the info. I've bought the lights and they are a lovely set.
Iray wasn't stated in the description, so I wasn't sure. I think that may just have been an oversight.
As to checking the read me, that's all very well, but I assume I'd have to buy the product in order to see it in the DIM, and I wasn't going to buy unless it was iray.
Glad I read this - I was unaware they were iray lights also. I glossed over the "iray" bit in "DAZ Studio Iray Material Presets (.DUF)" - I only really noticed the 'daz studio" and the 'duf' bit.
Yeah, products really need to state something like 'Iray-only'. Otherwise, it's easy to think it just means they're also for Iray, considering 3Delight is the default most people switch to.
Hope this means Daz isn't going to stop paying the licence/whatever for 3Delight... Would be a shame to find a new update no longer uses it, making all those 3Delight-specific models and shaders suddenly unable to be used! :)
This is just a great set.
I bought them thinking they were 3Delight. But was happily surprised to see they were actually Iray. :)
But the PA/Daz might want to put some big Iray stickers on the promo/product page.
Or mention it in the description.
I know a lot of people are hungry and looking for Iray products.
:)
In one of the other 4.8 threads, one of the dev team mentioned they just re-upped 3DL, so it's not going anywhere...anytime soon. (If I remember, they used to do a multi-year deal on 3DL...)
Interesting to know! Wonder how many years that's meant to be.
There are still some things you can only really do with that rendering option, like motion-blur and such.
The how long...that was a post on the old forums, so it's lost to the mists of time...and the re-up, that's in either one of the early beta thread or one of the early parts of the release version thread.
No, you can read the Readmes online here: http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/read_me/index/start
'Just check the Product index nmber from the sales page, and click on the number range on the left side, then you can select it from the listing. Very useful page, one I have bookmarked straight away. :-)
It's all well and good to tell people in the forums how to know for sure this product is iRay only. It should state that as fact IN THE PRODUCT DESCRIPTION. The customer shouldn't have to work so hard to know.
And that Studio 4.7 requirement is very very misleading as well. Neither is it enough to mention in the forums that it's not reliable. It should be changed in the product description.
Yes. I'm annoyed. I visit the forums frequently, many don't.
It makes me a bit sad to see that people are trying to focus on a minor (yes really it is) error rather than what a stunning product this is. Especially when the product is by a brand new PA who has never had to jump any of the many hurdles that crop up with submissions. I doubt J.Cade had access to the watermarks as a first time PA and those might have alleviated the issue. The 4.7 instead of 4.8 is akin to writing the wrong year on January 5th of the new one. I think its a lovely set of lights with amazing promos and needs to be treated more like that than an excuse to be vexed about something.
These lights have really tempted me to give Iray a try, despite the fact I have a AMD.
It's a mistake that can render the entire purchase useless.
And it's OK for a first time vendor to make a mistake like this, if we even wanna call it that. But one would think someone at least double-checked the product description before uploading it to the store.
And yet, most of the comments in this thread seem to be in rather good spirit, and some contain quite a few compliments. I really don't see the problem.
Personally, I find it sad, that a PA feels offended when people so much as inquire about whether or not they can actually use a product instead of just showering it with praise (no matter how well deserved that praise may be).
Unfortunately this isn't the only Iray product that has 4.7 as the DS version on the product page.
I don't know if these also work with 43Delight but I would feel that they don't.
http://www.daz3d.com/aged-leathers-for-iray
http://www.daz3d.com/iray-shaders-glass
http://www.daz3d.com/refracted-iray-glass-presets
These are just 3 I found I think someone somewhere needs to look at what is going on with the product pages.
These I know don't but
http://www.daz3d.com/real-lights-for-daz-studio-iray
Even new releases which are because of the punch sale not eligible for returns
http://www.daz3d.com/expeditionary-force
I suspect that they were set that way because when they were submitted there was no 4.8. It is possible that because the products were submitted before the version was live that they didn't have the 4.8 option added to what ever form gets filled out when the pages are set up. I know the only requirement I put on any of my Iray products was Iraydium. None the less I have contacted QA to see about getting all the 4.7s changed to 4.8.
For the time being at least, I think also that it might be best for people to assume that things like lights and shaders/presets are more likely for the default engine (Iray) rather than 3dl since that is by far the largest hole that needs filling.
First I didn't criticize anyone specifically. My assumption is that DAZ, as part of the process, vets the product pages. I'm probably wrong in my assumptions but that only means there's something lacking in the process, not the people involved. But whatever the reasons for the lack of clarity, there is a lack of clarity and that is important because the majority of customers don't participate in the forums.
That it is a fine product is a separate matter and one does not preclude the other.
I appreciate you dropping by and giving the PA point of view since it adds perspective and information to the conversation. But we are still allowed to criticize when an issue pops up are we not?
The DS version text should now be 4.8 instead of 4.7
Man, I was so cut up about that being Iray-only... They were just the type of colour schemes I was hoping someone would do for that costume!
I'll probably get them when I do start switching over to Iray, but it's still a shame I can't use them in any scenes with 3Delight-specific shaders in them.
I don't disagree that things could have gone smoother or be more clear in some cases. But with many things you can only predict other peoples needs so much. And it is even harder to try to be that predictive sort of person when your also being pulled by half a dozen things that have to be dealt with asap if not yesterday. To be honest, if I we were going on my personal view point/needs the assumption would always be that the product is Iray and that notification only needs to be made if there is additional 3dl support. Iray is the default render engine now and while I am sure at some point I will be doing 3dl support for some things my purchases are all Iray oriented right now. So that is my mindset at the moment. One quirk of human nature is that people always believe that what they need/want at the moment is exactly what everyone else needs/wants at that moment. That may have been true about power rangers toys at Christmas and english 101 when your a freshman but it is not true about many other thing in life. Clearly not everyone else needs to only know it will work with Iray. Working out a middle ground that fully informs everyone about what they need to know turned out to be a work in progress as far as Iray and 3dl.
Yes, of course. I guess I am someone who sees criticizing others as more a last resort than a first recourse. I know it is pretty much the common methodology in this industry for some reason but there are days I still balk at it. I'm still a big fan of honey before vinegar.
In the midst of all this discussion I assume that you did all see Richards comment here http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/57732/P15/#840836 , just a couple of posts up ^^^
The problem was reported by the Forum team, and has now been sorted out. SO now the thread can go back on topic.
If the product actually has the word "IRAY" in the title then it's a safe bet it's for IRAY. Confusion arises when a product has both IRAY and 3DR shaders. I wish this was spelt out more clearly sometimes. Lovely light set by the way.
Regarding past G2 products - will they be updated at some point with IRAY shaders? DS does a good job with converting shaders for IRAY but it would be great to have specific IRAY shaders for past G2 products as they generally look better and render faster. Are DAZ and the PA's working on this or is the policy to include IRAY shaders from 4.8 onwards?