OpenAI not quite ready for Daz yet

I copied the Gen 8 F A-pose data into chatgpt and asked it to modify the code to turn it into a sitting pose.

 

It had a good go I'd say B- for effort.

 

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  • droidy001 said:

    I copied the Gen 8 F A-pose data into chatgpt and asked it to modify the code to turn it into a sitting pose.

     

    It had a good go I'd say B- for effort.

     

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    All I can hear when I see this is "...Wish I could be... Part of that wooooooooooooooorld."

  • FrinkkyFrinkky Posts: 388

    You didn't specify 'sitting comfortably' ;)

  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,653
    edited December 2022

    There is someone re doing DS and getting 1/2 decent results

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    5184 x 3456 - 4M
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  • PixelSploitingPixelSploiting Posts: 898
    edited December 2022

    Very much the so-called AI these days.

     

     

    And for any foreseeable future too.

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  • can someone use ChatGPT3 to figure out an alternative to Shadermixer?

  • droidy001 said:

    I copied the Gen 8 F A-pose data into chatgpt and asked it to modify the code to turn it into a sitting pose.

     

    It had a good go I'd say B- for effort.

     

    image

    Funny. This reminds me of a line from the movie "JFK" where Jim Garrison critiques someone else's argument by saying "That's like saying my dog here is not very smart because I beat him two games out of three at chess."

    We should stop and marvel that it knew how the data was formatted, what it represented, and, honestly, really only got the pelvis wrong. If it had rotated by -90 instead of +90, that'd be a sitting pose.

    How people can think that this isn't going to change everything, and very soon, is beyond me.

     

  • Bobvan said:

    There is someone re doing DS and getting 1/2 decent results

    Do you know how it's done, I'd love to play about a bit more with it.

  • droidy001droidy001 Posts: 282
    edited December 2022

    TheMysteryIsThePoint said:

    droidy001 said:

    I copied the Gen 8 F A-pose data into chatgpt and asked it to modify the code to turn it into a sitting pose.

     

    It had a good go I'd say B- for effort.

     

    image

    Funny. This reminds me of a line from the movie "JFK" where Jim Garrison critiques someone else's argument by saying "That's like saying my dog here is not very smart because I beat him two games out of three at chess."

    We should stop and marvel that it knew how the data was formatted, what it represented, and, honestly, really only got the pelvis wrong. If it had rotated by -90 instead of +90, that'd be a sitting pose.

    How people can think that this isn't going to change everything, and very soon, is beyond me.

     

    I thinks it's fantastic that it sort of knew what I wanted, it only changed joint parameters, and didn't mess up the code completely. If it was trained specifically with Daz I think you could describe a pose and it would give you something very close.

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  • wolf359wolf359 Posts: 3,931
    edited December 2022

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    can someone use ChatGPT3 to figure out an alternative to Shadermixer?

     

    I am waiting for AI UV mapping!!

     

    How people can think that this isn't going to change everything, and very soon, is beyond me.

     

     

    Indeed no amount of ridicule or silly  symbolic protests  on Artstation& elswhere is going to un-invent this technology.

     

     

     

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  • PixelSploiting said:

    Very much the so-called AI these days.

     

     

    And for any foreseeable future too.

    @PixelSploiting This is a conversation that I had with OpenAI:

    Me: In the movie 1980 Excalibur, did Mordred have a point about wanting to inherit Camelot? After all, he was Arthur's son.

     

    In the movie "Excalibur," Mordred is depicted as being Arthur's illegitimate son, conceived when Arthur's half-sister, Morgana, seduced him while under the influence of a spell. In this version of the story, Mordred is driven by a desire to claim his rightful place as Arthur's heir and to inherit Camelot.

    In Arthurian legend, Mordred is typically portrayed as a traitor who seeks to overthrow Arthur and seize the throne for himself. However, in the movie "Excalibur," Mordred is presented as a more complex and sympathetic character who believes that he has a legitimate claim to the throne and is willing to fight for it.

    Whether or not Mordred had a point in wanting to inherit Camelot is a matter of interpretation. Some viewers might see his claim as being justified, given that he is Arthur's son and therefore has a blood connection to the throne. Others might see his actions as being motivated by greed and a desire for power, and view his attempt to seize the throne as being unjustified. Ultimately, the question of whether Mordred had a legitimate claim to Camelot is a matter of perspective and depends on one's interpretation of the story.

  • And I continued, trying to trick it:

    Me: Mordred may have been illegitimate, but as Arthur's only progeny, would he not have had the strongest claim, given the custom of primogeniture?

    In some versions of the Arthurian legend, Mordred is indeed portrayed as being Arthur's illegitimate son and therefore not entitled to inherit the throne according to the custom of primogeniture, which gives preference to the oldest legitimate son in matters of inheritance. In these versions of the story, Mordred's claim to the throne would be seen as being weaker than that of other potential heirs, such as Arthur's nephew, Gawain.

    However, in other versions of the story, Mordred is presented as being Arthur's legitimate son and therefore entitled to inherit the throne according to the custom of primogeniture. In these versions, Mordred's claim to the throne would be seen as being stronger than that of other potential heirs.

    Ultimately, the question of whether Mordred had a legitimate claim to the throne and whether he was entitled to inherit Camelot according to the custom of primogeniture depends on the specific version of the Arthurian legend being considered. In some versions, Mordred's claim is seen as being weaker due to his illegitimate status, while in others, his claim is seen as being stronger due to his legitimate birth.

    I didn't give up:

    Me: In the 1980 movie, would Mordred's claim not have been enhanced because it was apparently easy for him to call capable knights to his cause, or do you think that was more due to Morgana's charisma and would not be a factor, being that he killed her?

    In the movie "Excalibur," Mordred's ability to call upon capable knights to his cause might be seen as enhancing his claim to the throne, as it suggests that he has the support and backing of influential figures within the kingdom. This could be seen as a sign of his leadership ability and his potential to be a strong and effective ruler.

    However, it is important to note that Mordred's ability to call upon capable knights to his cause is not the only factor that could be considered when evaluating his claim to the throne. Other factors, such as his relationship to Arthur and his legitimacy as an heir, would also be important considerations.

    In the movie, Mordred is portrayed as being Arthur's illegitimate son, conceived when Arthur's half-sister, Morgana, seduced him while under the influence of a spell. This could be seen as undermining Mordred's claim to the throne, as it suggests that he is not a legitimate heir.

    Ultimately, the question of whether Mordred's claim to the throne was enhanced by his ability to call upon capable knights to his cause is a matter of interpretation and would depend on one's perspective on the events depicted in the movie.

    Me: Do you think Mordred killing his mother would turn others against him, if they had found out? Or were their interests already too strongly intertwined with Mordred's to turn against him because of a moral failure?

    In the movie "Excalibur," Mordred is portrayed as killing his mother, Morgana, during a battle between the two of them. If others within the kingdom had found out about this, it is likely that some of them would have been deeply troubled by Mordred's action and may have been turned against him because of it.

    In many societies, the act of killing one's own mother is seen as a grave moral failure and is considered to be a deeply disturbing and reprehensible act. If others within the kingdom had learned of Mordred's action, it is likely that they would have been deeply offended and would have been less inclined to support him or his claim to the throne.

    However, it is also possible that some individuals within the kingdom might have had interests that were too strongly intertwined with Mordred's to turn against him, even if they were troubled by his actions. For example, if Mordred had powerful allies or was seen as being a strong and effective leader, some individuals might have been willing to overlook his moral failings in order to continue supporting him.

    Ultimately, the reaction of others within the kingdom to Mordred's action would depend on their individual values and priorities, as well as the specific circumstances of the situation.

    There is literally no human being in the world with whom I could have this conversation with, about my all-time favorite movie. A far cry from distinguishing images of cats from dogs, I think everyone can agree on.

     

     

  • wolf359wolf359 Posts: 3,931

    @TheMysteryIsThePoint.

    I asked chatGPT to describe how a causality paradox (such as traveling back in time and killing your own grandfather), would harm the universe.

    first the A I admonished me by stating that my question is essentially moot because we are not capable of time travel.

    So I made my question  hypothetical ( if we could time travel) tell me the harm .

    This thing went on to describe the dire consequences that  such a causality paradox would have on the entire space time continuim

    it was like talking to the late Dr Stephen Hawkings.

     

    BTW Excaliber is one of my favorite early 1980s’ films and so is “The Keep”( Micheal Mann), which apparently is being remade.

  • TheMysteryIsThePoint said:

    And I continued, trying to trick it:

    Me: Mordred may have been illegitimate, but as Arthur's only progeny, would he not have had the strongest claim, given the custom of primogeniture?

    In some versions of the Arthurian legend, Mordred is indeed portrayed as being Arthur's illegitimate son and therefore not entitled to inherit the throne according to the custom of primogeniture, which gives preference to the oldest legitimate son in matters of inheritance. In these versions of the story, Mordred's claim to the throne would be seen as being weaker than that of other potential heirs, such as Arthur's nephew, Gawain.

    However, in other versions of the story, Mordred is presented as being Arthur's legitimate son and therefore entitled to inherit the throne according to the custom of primogeniture. In these versions, Mordred's claim to the throne would be seen as being stronger than that of other potential heirs.

    Ultimately, the question of whether Mordred had a legitimate claim to the throne and whether he was entitled to inherit Camelot according to the custom of primogeniture depends on the specific version of the Arthurian legend being considered. In some versions, Mordred's claim is seen as being weaker due to his illegitimate status, while in others, his claim is seen as being stronger due to his legitimate birth.

    I didn't give up:

    Me: In the 1980 movie, would Mordred's claim not have been enhanced because it was apparently easy for him to call capable knights to his cause, or do you think that was more due to Morgana's charisma and would not be a factor, being that he killed her?

    In the movie "Excalibur," Mordred's ability to call upon capable knights to his cause might be seen as enhancing his claim to the throne, as it suggests that he has the support and backing of influential figures within the kingdom. This could be seen as a sign of his leadership ability and his potential to be a strong and effective ruler.

    However, it is important to note that Mordred's ability to call upon capable knights to his cause is not the only factor that could be considered when evaluating his claim to the throne. Other factors, such as his relationship to Arthur and his legitimacy as an heir, would also be important considerations.

    In the movie, Mordred is portrayed as being Arthur's illegitimate son, conceived when Arthur's half-sister, Morgana, seduced him while under the influence of a spell. This could be seen as undermining Mordred's claim to the throne, as it suggests that he is not a legitimate heir.

    Ultimately, the question of whether Mordred's claim to the throne was enhanced by his ability to call upon capable knights to his cause is a matter of interpretation and would depend on one's perspective on the events depicted in the movie.

    Me: Do you think Mordred killing his mother would turn others against him, if they had found out? Or were their interests already too strongly intertwined with Mordred's to turn against him because of a moral failure?

    In the movie "Excalibur," Mordred is portrayed as killing his mother, Morgana, during a battle between the two of them. If others within the kingdom had found out about this, it is likely that some of them would have been deeply troubled by Mordred's action and may have been turned against him because of it.

    In many societies, the act of killing one's own mother is seen as a grave moral failure and is considered to be a deeply disturbing and reprehensible act. If others within the kingdom had learned of Mordred's action, it is likely that they would have been deeply offended and would have been less inclined to support him or his claim to the throne.

    However, it is also possible that some individuals within the kingdom might have had interests that were too strongly intertwined with Mordred's to turn against him, even if they were troubled by his actions. For example, if Mordred had powerful allies or was seen as being a strong and effective leader, some individuals might have been willing to overlook his moral failings in order to continue supporting him.

    Ultimately, the reaction of others within the kingdom to Mordred's action would depend on their individual values and priorities, as well as the specific circumstances of the situation.

    There is literally no human being in the world with whom I could have this conversation with, about my all-time favorite movie. A far cry from distinguishing images of cats from dogs, I think everyone can agree on.

    That is a weird mix of fairly impressive and Eliza-esque.

  • generalgameplayinggeneralgameplaying Posts: 518
    edited December 2022

    wolf359 said:

    @TheMysteryIsThePoint.

    I asked chatGPT to describe how a causality paradox (such as traveling back in time and killing your own grandfather), would harm the universe.

    first the A I admonished me by stating that my question is essentially moot because we are not capable of time travel.

    So I made my question  hypothetical ( if we could time travel) tell me the harm .

    This thing went on to describe the dire consequences that  such a causality paradox would have on the entire space time continuim

    it was like talking to the late Dr Stephen Hawkings.

     

    BTW Excaliber is one of my favorite early 1980s’ films and so is “The Keep”( Micheal Mann), which apparently is being remade.

    I bet it's more like talking to the random person who has read a book by Hawking. Of course, with all the data available, it'll rather resemble all the people who've read all the books. If you want something cool, ask for a quantum computer design (actual, not just annealing) that is doable with today's technology, and fits into one or two football fields.

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,086
    edited December 2022

    https://huggingface.co/spaces/openai/point-e

    I tried a house made of mushrooms the result not good but cannot upload my image anyway

     

    a video on how to use it in Google Colab but not how to get the 3D model

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  • wolf359 said:

    @TheMysteryIsThePoint.

    I asked chatGPT to describe how a causality paradox (such as traveling back in time and killing your own grandfather), would harm the universe.

    first the A I admonished me by stating that my question is essentially moot because we are not capable of time travel.

    So I made my question  hypothetical ( if we could time travel) tell me the harm .

    This thing went on to describe the dire consequences that  such a causality paradox would have on the entire space time continuim

    it was like talking to the late Dr Stephen Hawkings.

     

    BTW Excaliber is one of my favorite early 1980s’ films and so is “The Keep”( Micheal Mann), which apparently is being remade.

    For real, @Wolf359... that is precisely my experience as well and I even got cut off last night for too many exchanges in an hour :) Conversing with it is like talking to the smartest, most level headed, most patient person in the world, and they are at leased versed in everything. I'm working on a story based on Crusades and it was really fun talking to it, trying to get it to remind me of a name I had heard of. She was a princess, a historian, and much of what we know about what European Crusaders were actually like, comes from her diaries. We meandered a bit for several exchanges, with it calmly and politely asking me if I was sure she was a princess and not some other personage. But when I said "Oh, and I think she was Greek." it responded something like "Oh, you must mean Anna Komnene..." Bingo. And it proceeded to tell me everything I ever wanted to know about Anna Komnene but didn't know to ask.

    I think the world is divided into people who may or may not have concerns about AI but have at least investigated the state of the art, and those who have just stuck their heads in the sand and haven't even tried it.

    And The Keep looks right up my alley... going to try to find it right now. Thanks!

     

     

  • Richard Haseltine said:

    TheMysteryIsThePoint said:

    And I continued, trying to trick it:

    Me: Mordred may have been illegitimate, but as Arthur's only progeny, would he not have had the strongest claim, given the custom of primogeniture?

    In some versions of the Arthurian legend, Mordred is indeed portrayed as being Arthur's illegitimate son and therefore not entitled to inherit the throne according to the custom of primogeniture, which gives preference to the oldest legitimate son in matters of inheritance. In these versions of the story, Mordred's claim to the throne would be seen as being weaker than that of other potential heirs, such as Arthur's nephew, Gawain.

    However, in other versions of the story, Mordred is presented as being Arthur's legitimate son and therefore entitled to inherit the throne according to the custom of primogeniture. In these versions, Mordred's claim to the throne would be seen as being stronger than that of other potential heirs.

    Ultimately, the question of whether Mordred had a legitimate claim to the throne and whether he was entitled to inherit Camelot according to the custom of primogeniture depends on the specific version of the Arthurian legend being considered. In some versions, Mordred's claim is seen as being weaker due to his illegitimate status, while in others, his claim is seen as being stronger due to his legitimate birth.

    I didn't give up:

    Me: In the 1980 movie, would Mordred's claim not have been enhanced because it was apparently easy for him to call capable knights to his cause, or do you think that was more due to Morgana's charisma and would not be a factor, being that he killed her?

    In the movie "Excalibur," Mordred's ability to call upon capable knights to his cause might be seen as enhancing his claim to the throne, as it suggests that he has the support and backing of influential figures within the kingdom. This could be seen as a sign of his leadership ability and his potential to be a strong and effective ruler.

    However, it is important to note that Mordred's ability to call upon capable knights to his cause is not the only factor that could be considered when evaluating his claim to the throne. Other factors, such as his relationship to Arthur and his legitimacy as an heir, would also be important considerations.

    In the movie, Mordred is portrayed as being Arthur's illegitimate son, conceived when Arthur's half-sister, Morgana, seduced him while under the influence of a spell. This could be seen as undermining Mordred's claim to the throne, as it suggests that he is not a legitimate heir.

    Ultimately, the question of whether Mordred's claim to the throne was enhanced by his ability to call upon capable knights to his cause is a matter of interpretation and would depend on one's perspective on the events depicted in the movie.

    Me: Do you think Mordred killing his mother would turn others against him, if they had found out? Or were their interests already too strongly intertwined with Mordred's to turn against him because of a moral failure?

    In the movie "Excalibur," Mordred is portrayed as killing his mother, Morgana, during a battle between the two of them. If others within the kingdom had found out about this, it is likely that some of them would have been deeply troubled by Mordred's action and may have been turned against him because of it.

    In many societies, the act of killing one's own mother is seen as a grave moral failure and is considered to be a deeply disturbing and reprehensible act. If others within the kingdom had learned of Mordred's action, it is likely that they would have been deeply offended and would have been less inclined to support him or his claim to the throne.

    However, it is also possible that some individuals within the kingdom might have had interests that were too strongly intertwined with Mordred's to turn against him, even if they were troubled by his actions. For example, if Mordred had powerful allies or was seen as being a strong and effective leader, some individuals might have been willing to overlook his moral failings in order to continue supporting him.

    Ultimately, the reaction of others within the kingdom to Mordred's action would depend on their individual values and priorities, as well as the specific circumstances of the situation.

    There is literally no human being in the world with whom I could have this conversation with, about my all-time favorite movie. A far cry from distinguishing images of cats from dogs, I think everyone can agree on.

    That is a weird mix of fairly impressive and Eliza-esque.

    Haha, have to admit that I sensed that, too :) Maybe it was trained on an Apple II.

  • generalgameplayinggeneralgameplaying Posts: 518
    edited December 2022

    TheMysteryIsThePoint said:

    I think the world is divided into people who may or may not have concerns about AI but have at least investigated the state of the art, and those who have just stuck their heads in the sand and haven't even tried it.

    That says nothing. You always have people who don't understand the details (n)or the implications, that's not special. I ask, if we have enough specialists or enough widespread knowledge to judge, what we can afford, if we wanted to maintain a civilization, and educate people about it in meaningful ways. Nowadays it should be 'can afford', not just "can do", +- anymore. It's not the 60ies anymore, or is it?

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  • generalgameplaying said:

    TheMysteryIsThePoint said:

    I think the world is divided into people who may or may not have concerns about AI but have at least investigated the state of the art, and those who have just stuck their heads in the sand and haven't even tried it.

    That says nothing. You always have people who don't understand the details (n)or the implications, that's not special. I ask, if we have enough specialists or enough widespread knowledge to judge, what we can afford, if we wanted to maintain a civilization, and educate people about it in meaningful ways. Nowadays it should be 'can afford', not just "can do", +- anymore. It's not the 60ies anymore, or is it?

    I know what each of those words means individually, yet I have no idea what you are talking about.

  • P302P302 Posts: 37

    wolf359 said:

    I am waiting for AI UV mapping!!

    Absolutely! And retopology, decimate, etc... 

  • algovincianalgovincian Posts: 2,664

    TheMysteryIsThePoint said:

    generalgameplaying said:

    TheMysteryIsThePoint said:

    I think the world is divided into people who may or may not have concerns about AI but have at least investigated the state of the art, and those who have just stuck their heads in the sand and haven't even tried it.

    That says nothing. You always have people who don't understand the details (n)or the implications, that's not special. I ask, if we have enough specialists or enough widespread knowledge to judge, what we can afford, if we wanted to maintain a civilization, and educate people about it in meaningful ways. Nowadays it should be 'can afford', not just "can do", +- anymore. It's not the 60ies anymore, or is it?

    I know what each of those words means individually, yet I have no idea what you are talking about.

    - Greg 

  • TheMysteryIsThePoint said:

    generalgameplaying said:

    TheMysteryIsThePoint said:

    I think the world is divided into people who may or may not have concerns about AI but have at least investigated the state of the art, and those who have just stuck their heads in the sand and haven't even tried it.

    That says nothing. You always have people who don't understand the details (n)or the implications, that's not special. I ask, if we have enough specialists or enough widespread knowledge to judge, what we can afford, if we wanted to maintain a civilization, and educate people about it in meaningful ways. Nowadays it should be 'can afford', not just "can do", +- anymore. It's not the 60ies anymore, or is it?

    I know what each of those words means individually, yet I have no idea what you are talking about.

    Can't i just be ai too?

  • TheMysteryIsThePoint said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    TheMysteryIsThePoint said:

    And I continued, trying to trick it:

    Me: Mordred may have been illegitimate, but as Arthur's only progeny, would he not have had the strongest claim, given the custom of primogeniture?

    In some versions of the Arthurian legend, Mordred is indeed portrayed as being Arthur's illegitimate son and therefore not entitled to inherit the throne according to the custom of primogeniture, which gives preference to the oldest legitimate son in matters of inheritance. In these versions of the story, Mordred's claim to the throne would be seen as being weaker than that of other potential heirs, such as Arthur's nephew, Gawain.

    However, in other versions of the story, Mordred is presented as being Arthur's legitimate son and therefore entitled to inherit the throne according to the custom of primogeniture. In these versions, Mordred's claim to the throne would be seen as being stronger than that of other potential heirs.

    Ultimately, the question of whether Mordred had a legitimate claim to the throne and whether he was entitled to inherit Camelot according to the custom of primogeniture depends on the specific version of the Arthurian legend being considered. In some versions, Mordred's claim is seen as being weaker due to his illegitimate status, while in others, his claim is seen as being stronger due to his legitimate birth.

    I didn't give up:

    Me: In the 1980 movie, would Mordred's claim not have been enhanced because it was apparently easy for him to call capable knights to his cause, or do you think that was more due to Morgana's charisma and would not be a factor, being that he killed her?

    In the movie "Excalibur," Mordred's ability to call upon capable knights to his cause might be seen as enhancing his claim to the throne, as it suggests that he has the support and backing of influential figures within the kingdom. This could be seen as a sign of his leadership ability and his potential to be a strong and effective ruler.

    However, it is important to note that Mordred's ability to call upon capable knights to his cause is not the only factor that could be considered when evaluating his claim to the throne. Other factors, such as his relationship to Arthur and his legitimacy as an heir, would also be important considerations.

    In the movie, Mordred is portrayed as being Arthur's illegitimate son, conceived when Arthur's half-sister, Morgana, seduced him while under the influence of a spell. This could be seen as undermining Mordred's claim to the throne, as it suggests that he is not a legitimate heir.

    Ultimately, the question of whether Mordred's claim to the throne was enhanced by his ability to call upon capable knights to his cause is a matter of interpretation and would depend on one's perspective on the events depicted in the movie.

    Me: Do you think Mordred killing his mother would turn others against him, if they had found out? Or were their interests already too strongly intertwined with Mordred's to turn against him because of a moral failure?

    In the movie "Excalibur," Mordred is portrayed as killing his mother, Morgana, during a battle between the two of them. If others within the kingdom had found out about this, it is likely that some of them would have been deeply troubled by Mordred's action and may have been turned against him because of it.

    In many societies, the act of killing one's own mother is seen as a grave moral failure and is considered to be a deeply disturbing and reprehensible act. If others within the kingdom had learned of Mordred's action, it is likely that they would have been deeply offended and would have been less inclined to support him or his claim to the throne.

    However, it is also possible that some individuals within the kingdom might have had interests that were too strongly intertwined with Mordred's to turn against him, even if they were troubled by his actions. For example, if Mordred had powerful allies or was seen as being a strong and effective leader, some individuals might have been willing to overlook his moral failings in order to continue supporting him.

    Ultimately, the reaction of others within the kingdom to Mordred's action would depend on their individual values and priorities, as well as the specific circumstances of the situation.

    There is literally no human being in the world with whom I could have this conversation with, about my all-time favorite movie. A far cry from distinguishing images of cats from dogs, I think everyone can agree on.

    That is a weird mix of fairly impressive and Eliza-esque.

    Haha, have to admit that I sensed that, too :) Maybe it was trained on an Apple II.

    Now, on second thought, I get the impression that it does that to ensure that I make the associations to interpret its response in the proper context. Actually, I kinda like it... it does make it easier to comprehend.

  • TheMysteryIsThePoint said:

    TheMysteryIsThePoint said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    TheMysteryIsThePoint said:

    And I continued, trying to trick it:

    Me: Mordred may have been illegitimate, but as Arthur's only progeny, would he not have had the strongest claim, given the custom of primogeniture?

    In some versions of the Arthurian legend, Mordred is indeed portrayed as being Arthur's illegitimate son and therefore not entitled to inherit the throne according to the custom of primogeniture, which gives preference to the oldest legitimate son in matters of inheritance. In these versions of the story, Mordred's claim to the throne would be seen as being weaker than that of other potential heirs, such as Arthur's nephew, Gawain.

    However, in other versions of the story, Mordred is presented as being Arthur's legitimate son and therefore entitled to inherit the throne according to the custom of primogeniture. In these versions, Mordred's claim to the throne would be seen as being stronger than that of other potential heirs.

    Ultimately, the question of whether Mordred had a legitimate claim to the throne and whether he was entitled to inherit Camelot according to the custom of primogeniture depends on the specific version of the Arthurian legend being considered. In some versions, Mordred's claim is seen as being weaker due to his illegitimate status, while in others, his claim is seen as being stronger due to his legitimate birth.

    I didn't give up:

    Me: In the 1980 movie, would Mordred's claim not have been enhanced because it was apparently easy for him to call capable knights to his cause, or do you think that was more due to Morgana's charisma and would not be a factor, being that he killed her?

    In the movie "Excalibur," Mordred's ability to call upon capable knights to his cause might be seen as enhancing his claim to the throne, as it suggests that he has the support and backing of influential figures within the kingdom. This could be seen as a sign of his leadership ability and his potential to be a strong and effective ruler.

    However, it is important to note that Mordred's ability to call upon capable knights to his cause is not the only factor that could be considered when evaluating his claim to the throne. Other factors, such as his relationship to Arthur and his legitimacy as an heir, would also be important considerations.

    In the movie, Mordred is portrayed as being Arthur's illegitimate son, conceived when Arthur's half-sister, Morgana, seduced him while under the influence of a spell. This could be seen as undermining Mordred's claim to the throne, as it suggests that he is not a legitimate heir.

    Ultimately, the question of whether Mordred's claim to the throne was enhanced by his ability to call upon capable knights to his cause is a matter of interpretation and would depend on one's perspective on the events depicted in the movie.

    Me: Do you think Mordred killing his mother would turn others against him, if they had found out? Or were their interests already too strongly intertwined with Mordred's to turn against him because of a moral failure?

    In the movie "Excalibur," Mordred is portrayed as killing his mother, Morgana, during a battle between the two of them. If others within the kingdom had found out about this, it is likely that some of them would have been deeply troubled by Mordred's action and may have been turned against him because of it.

    In many societies, the act of killing one's own mother is seen as a grave moral failure and is considered to be a deeply disturbing and reprehensible act. If others within the kingdom had learned of Mordred's action, it is likely that they would have been deeply offended and would have been less inclined to support him or his claim to the throne.

    However, it is also possible that some individuals within the kingdom might have had interests that were too strongly intertwined with Mordred's to turn against him, even if they were troubled by his actions. For example, if Mordred had powerful allies or was seen as being a strong and effective leader, some individuals might have been willing to overlook his moral failings in order to continue supporting him.

    Ultimately, the reaction of others within the kingdom to Mordred's action would depend on their individual values and priorities, as well as the specific circumstances of the situation.

    There is literally no human being in the world with whom I could have this conversation with, about my all-time favorite movie. A far cry from distinguishing images of cats from dogs, I think everyone can agree on.

    That is a weird mix of fairly impressive and Eliza-esque.

    Haha, have to admit that I sensed that, too :) Maybe it was trained on an Apple II.

    Now, on second thought, I get the impression that it does that to ensure that I make the associations to interpret its response in the proper context. Actually, I kinda like it... it does make it easier to comprehend.

    Wish some of my students would learn this format rather than randomly talking all over the place.

    Having said that, this should make it easier to spot which of them are trying to use AI to write their papers:


    In the [movie]...[summary of question area and supporting argument]

    However, [counterpoint]

    Ultimately [fence-sitting]

    AI needs to pick a side :p (maybe ask it what it thinks the right answer is, not just what the possible answers are)

  • Silent Winter said:

     

    In the [movie]...[summary of question area and supporting argument]

    However, [counterpoint]

    Ultimately [fence-sitting]

    AI needs to pick a side :p (maybe ask it what it thinks the right answer is, not just what the possible answers are)

    It pretty much always fence sits :) Justifications range from "I'm just a language model" to "that's subjective" to "asking the question could harm society and you should be ashamed of yourself for even asking". OK, that last one is paraphrased a bit. But it always maneuvers out of having an actual opinion.

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