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How does copyright apply to NFTs?

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  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500
    November 2022 edited November 2022

    I did a little more digging to try to get a feel for what kind of digital art is considered good for NFT trading but I'm still mired in a worldview which puts aesthetic value on the subject matter whereas the more I look at these collections, the more confused I become. Many of them, to my eyes, have no artistic merit at all. Many are mere doodles or even AI produced which again, to my mind, does not consitiute art. So I'm making these pictures for my son and I'm trying to make them look artistic - even though I don't consider myself an artist (I'm just playing in my hobby). But does any of that matter? I'm not famous so why would anyone want to link to my doodles?

    For my son's part, it is all part of a project initiated by the company he works for which is involved in producing game assets - some of them with connections to the NFT marketplace. So they encouraged their employees to dip their private/personal toes in the NFT waters. He knew that my hobby is some sort of digital art so he asked if I would create a collection that he could use for the project.

    I could post an image here but I'm worried that might put his project at risk in some way - maybe someone could grab the image and create an NFT for it? Anyhow, as I said, I am enjoying the exercise of producing variations of images of a subject but, for me, that means somewhat more than just changing the background colour or adding ear-rings.

    Post edited by marble on November 2022
  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024
    November 2022

    Someone paid a million dollars for a single black pixel, maybe that was for it's artistic value cheeky

  • MadaMada Posts: 2,043
    November 2022 edited November 2022

    I would recommend checking out the Daz discord for NFTs if you want to get a feel for the process. You will find a lot of links there to different collections, as well as what people are after, and its one of the more well rounded communities out there that actively weed out scammers. Definitely be aware that you don't want to click on links sent to you in Direct Messages on any NFT discord  - ever. 

    The Daz collections offer the models with all the licensing, and extra features that get unlocked over a period of time, as well as surprise drops for owners of current NFPs, competitions etc. Anyone can take one of the existing Daz collection images or any other image for that matter and make an NFT yes - however to then sell that NFT it won't be listed under the Daz collection, so any purchaser will see right away that its not a valid NFT for that collection. 

    There's a lot of other collections using Daz assets because its quick and easy to use a randomizer and set up images for rendering - usually its just the images, not the models. The collection is a series of similar looking images with random traits, some of which are rare. The more successful collections will always have a discord community behind it as well, I think for those kind of collections the social aspect of being part of a community factors in a lot. In fact you'll find that a lot of the collections you wonder why those images are even selling - its because of the discord community behind it - think modern day stamp collectors or beany babies... but online.

    Then you have artistic collections where the value of the image is the art - like Beeple. Being part of a large community like twitter and discord is important here as well. Again anyone can mint a Beeple image - however only the ones created by Beeple will be listed under his name/collection and the sales tracked for it. That is the one thing the smart contract connected to an NFT does - it tracks everything from creator/creation to sales, dates etc as well as for how much it sold, and often there's a royalty that goes back to the original artist every time it gets sold.



     

    Post edited by Mada on November 2022
  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,239
    November 2022

    I recommend staying as far away from this NFT nonsense as humanly possible for an overwhelming flood of reasons listed elsewhere in this section. We can begin with the way minting NFTs contributes to burning the biosphere and only guarantees profit to those doing the minting.

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024
    November 2022 edited November 2022

    Richard Haseltine said:

    PerttiA said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    PerttiA said:

    In essence... The content behind the link is of no interest, it's about the bragging rights one gets based on how much one has paid for the casing (link).

    Not necessarily - an NFT produced, in limited numbers, by the original artist is, to some degree determined by circumstances, a personal link to the artist in a way that even a very good poster of the art would not be, though the poster would be easier to share with others by hanging on a wall.

    But the question still remains, where's the proof?

    How does the buyer know that "Andy W" that has created the NFT containing the link to the artwork, is actually the famous american artist and not just some teenage kid playing with AI?

    Presumably the artist would post on what they were doing on their site/social feeds/in a newspaper - but yes, that is something that would clearly need to be verified in some way. However, I was assuming that the artist would need to be visibly involved for there to be any sense of connection.

    That was why I said the concept on it's own doesn't give any proof of origin, originality or legality, but needs other means/tools to do that.

    The next problem comes when one wants to sell the NFT that one has gotten proof of originality by for example, personal contact with the artist?
    How is one going to prove to the prospective buyers that "Andy W" really is the one and only "Andy W" and the artwork behind the link really is worth six or seven figures?

    Watching the "Pawn Stars" or any other TV show, where valuable items and artwork is being bought and sold, provenance is always asked and if there's none or it's not good enough, there is no deal.

    Post edited by PerttiA on November 2022
  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500
    November 2022 edited November 2022

    Mada said:

    I would recommend checking out the Daz discord for NFTs if you want to get a feel for the process. You will find a lot of links there to different collections, as well as what people are after, and its one of the more well rounded communities out there that actively weed out scammers. Definitely be aware that you don't want to click on links sent to you in Direct Messages on any NFT discord  - ever. 

    The Daz collections offer the models with all the licensing, and extra features that get unlocked over a period of time, as well as surprise drops for owners of current NFPs, competitions etc. Anyone can take one of the existing Daz collection images or any other image for that matter and make an NFT yes - however to then sell that NFT it won't be listed under the Daz collection, so any purchaser will see right away that its not a valid NFT for that collection. 

    There's a lot of other collections using Daz assets because its quick and easy to use a randomizer and set up images for rendering - usually its just the images, not the models. The collection is a series of similar looking images with random traits, some of which are rare. The more successful collections will always have a discord community behind it as well, I think for those kind of collections the social aspect of being part of a community factors in a lot. In fact you'll find that a lot of the collections you wonder why those images are even selling - its because of the discord community behind it - think modern day stamp collectors or beany babies... but online.

    Then you have artistic collections where the value of the image is the art - like Beeple. Being part of a large community like twitter and discord is important here as well. Again anyone can mint a Beeple image - however only the ones created by Beeple will be listed under his name/collection and the sales tracked for it. That is the one thing the smart contract connected to an NFT does - it tracks everything from creator/creation to sales, dates etc as well as for how much it sold, and often there's a royalty that goes back to the original artist every time it gets sold.



     

    I'm sure that all of your advice here is good advice but I have to re-iterate that I am not personally getting involved in selling NFTs. All I am doing is making a collection of images. However, I started by asking what are the copyright issues around using DAZ content and then started wondering about what is actually defined as NFT art? I see a lot of monkeys and other cartoon avatars and - looking at the DAZ NFT pages - I obviously see images using DAZ content which might have been cropped and pasted from any product promo. I also see short animations (which might interest me). I do wonder whether the image size or resolution is important although, as was mentioned - someone used a single pixel so clearly not.

    I read in another thread that the DAZ Discord is dead and I have to say that I am averse to social media so joining communities (other than this one) is not really my thing. I disabled my Facebook pages and never use Twitter or Instagram.

    Post edited by marble on November 2022
  • MadaMada Posts: 2,043
    November 2022 edited November 2022

    In that case I would say render what you would like to render :) Have fun with what you're creating. Size and resolution is not important as far as I can see. Your son would probably be the best guide on what he's looking for to market.

    The discord channel is still there and very much alive - the thread you're pointing to had a dead link :)

    Post edited by Mada on November 2022
  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 107,860
    November 2022

    PerttiA said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    PerttiA said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    PerttiA said:

    In essence... The content behind the link is of no interest, it's about the bragging rights one gets based on how much one has paid for the casing (link).

    Not necessarily - an NFT produced, in limited numbers, by the original artist is, to some degree determined by circumstances, a personal link to the artist in a way that even a very good poster of the art would not be, though the poster would be easier to share with others by hanging on a wall.

    But the question still remains, where's the proof?

    How does the buyer know that "Andy W" that has created the NFT containing the link to the artwork, is actually the famous american artist and not just some teenage kid playing with AI?

    Presumably the artist would post on what they were doing on their site/social feeds/in a newspaper - but yes, that is something that would clearly need to be verified in some way. However, I was assuming that the artist would need to be visibly involved for there to be any sense of connection.

    That was why I said the concept on it's own doesn't give any proof of origin, originality or legality, but needs other means/tools to do that.

    The next problem comes when one wants to sell the NFT that one has gotten proof of originality by for example, personal contact with the artist?
    How is one going to prove to the prospective buyers that "Andy W" really is the one and only "Andy W" and the artwork behind the link really is worth six or seven figures?

    Watching the "Pawn Stars" or any other TV show, where valuable items and artwork is being bought and sold, provenance is always asked and if there's none or it's not good enough, there is no deal.

    Provenance can be a tricky issue with anything, it isn't just NFTs.

  • plasma_ringplasma_ring Posts: 1,027
    December 2022 edited December 2022

    PerttiA said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    PerttiA said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    PerttiA said:

    In essence... The content behind the link is of no interest, it's about the bragging rights one gets based on how much one has paid for the casing (link).

    Not necessarily - an NFT produced, in limited numbers, by the original artist is, to some degree determined by circumstances, a personal link to the artist in a way that even a very good poster of the art would not be, though the poster would be easier to share with others by hanging on a wall.

    But the question still remains, where's the proof?

    How does the buyer know that "Andy W" that has created the NFT containing the link to the artwork, is actually the famous american artist and not just some teenage kid playing with AI?

    Presumably the artist would post on what they were doing on their site/social feeds/in a newspaper - but yes, that is something that would clearly need to be verified in some way. However, I was assuming that the artist would need to be visibly involved for there to be any sense of connection.

    That was why I said the concept on it's own doesn't give any proof of origin, originality or legality, but needs other means/tools to do that.

    The next problem comes when one wants to sell the NFT that one has gotten proof of originality by for example, personal contact with the artist?
    How is one going to prove to the prospective buyers that "Andy W" really is the one and only "Andy W" and the artwork behind the link really is worth six or seven figures?

    Watching the "Pawn Stars" or any other TV show, where valuable items and artwork is being bought and sold, provenance is always asked and if there's none or it's not good enough, there is no deal.

    Well, arguably that's why this doesn't work in practice and why everything is cratering. Wastefulness aside, it wasn't a horrible idea before the speculative craze took off, but once it did it stopped really being about the art or artist at all. If people are just trading these things as a way to support the artist and because they like the art, there's a certain amount of trust involved and it's a social activity. Ideally, in that case, you would not be spending the equivalent of your kids' college fund on it thinking you're going to double your investment later. 

    Post edited by plasma_ring on December 2022
  • roustanroustan Posts: 5
    September 2024

    Is there a way to purchase the interactive license by itself? I own an NFP, but wanted to increase my usage of it to interactive license. But currently I can only buy the interactive license if I also purchase the genesis model I already own with the NFT.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 107,860
    September 2024

    roustan said:

    Is there a way to purchase the interactive license by itself? I own an NFP, but wanted to increase my usage of it to interactive license. But currently I can only buy the interactive license if I also purchase the genesis model I already own with the NFT.

    I think you would need to open a Sales support ticket for that, they may then be able to add the base to your account so that you can purchase the additoonal license for it (or tell you that the NFP covers the additional licenses, I can't recall).

  • roustanroustan Posts: 5
    September 2024 edited September 2024

    Yes, the NFP definitely includes the base license. just wanted to upgrade. How do I open a support ticket? via submitting a request at the help center? Just submitted a ticekt there :)

    Post edited by roustan on September 2024
  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 107,860
    September 2024

    roustan said:

    Yes, the NFP definitely includes the base license. just wanted to upgrade. How do I open a support ticket? via submitting a request at the help center? Just submitted a ticekt there :)

    Yes. Make sure you are logged in there (it doesn't always carry over if you just click the link) and select Sales as the Contact Department.

  • roustanroustan Posts: 5
    September 2024

    Richard Haseltine said:

    roustan said:

    Yes, the NFP definitely includes the base license. just wanted to upgrade. How do I open a support ticket? via submitting a request at the help center? Just submitted a ticekt there :)

    Yes. Make sure you are logged in there (it doesn't always carry over if you just click the link) and select Sales as the Contact Department.

    Thank you for the tip. I definitely was not signed in when I submitted.  

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