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Mike 9...no lady hips ;)
“No thread on Michael 9. Really?”
LOL, there is now! And it's becoming quite the long one, actually!
For myself I rarely use Mike, only as a certain Cimmerian and for monstrosities, so the base G9 figure is good enough for me, but like V9 he's meticulously crafted so those that do should love him!
Regarding pricing, just a reminder, again, that all the content is effectively doubled since it easily and natively works for both masculine and feminine figures (plus nonbinary and others)
Here's Victoria 9 with Marty Mane hair ostensibly for Michael 9:
And here's Michael 9 with Soft Curls and Iron Lady outfits from the Victoria 9 bundles:
So the basic argument you have is that because both sexes can now use all clothing it's ok to charge double the price of a similar item from genesis 8 era, thats not a good argument and won't get you loyal customers, i've spent thousands over the years, been here since Generation 3 came out and honestly i feel Daz is just getting greedy now
he looks like Pablo 8.1's lost brother.
There might be a small handful out of the hundreds of clothing and hair items I have for G8 men or women that I would want to use on the other gender, and in that small number it's hair more than clothes, so that feature really doesn't matter to me. Also with the skin material, if the big draw is the characters can be male and females seamlessly, they need to have a stubble-less option for the face as well as a hairless option on the arms and legs. If I'm paying that much for a unisex character, I want the option to have them work as either or and not have to go into photoshop and fix stubble on the face, arm or leg hair, which I'm not going to do, I'm just going to pass on it. There'll surely be body hair and beard options in the store that folks can use to add to the characters if they want it if there can't be an option to turn it on or off for the character itself.
Please note that the comment about being able to use the content on both sexes is just that, a personal comment - it isn't the offifical Daz position.
they always charge more each time new technology is used
it never gets cheaper
I don't follow that argument much either since not all content will be suitable for both genders.
I for one am super-stoked that it will be easier for me to use male armor on my female warriors...because honestly...they're sick of scraping the botton of the barrel and having to kitbash around metal bikinis and boob plate. Male armor made for male base figures never worked quite right across the chest area when trying to covert using the cross-figure resource kit. Never. Now hopefully...they will! I just need a way to transfer my custom G8 skins over to G9.
What a load of rubbish... So all the lingerie, bikinis, skirts, dresses, boob and bum utilities are for the vast majority of users gonna provide good value for both sexes!
Edit: Sorry, a more fun response would have been to asked how the Oso3D Troll was coming along?
It's not double, actually.
And yes, I'm not speaking in any official capacity. As a customer, I'm THRILLED. There have been sooo many products I've struggled to crossfit, trying to cobble together Legends armor on a male character or whatnot. or getting a cool uniform and trying to hammer out the V crotch. ugh.
He also has Toon Heroes dialled in and that might also contribute to the look of the hips.
I need to bring the scene back up and take his clothes off to see.
True. Thanks for responding, and please don't go through any trouble. I can run some tests myself using just plain G9 once my machine is done training a network.
- Greg
ETA: Just DLed and installed DS on another idle box and tried dialing in the base masculine morph on G9 while it was wearing the Every Day 2 shirt (both the G8F and G8M versions of the shirt). Did not notice this issue, so you're probably right.
Out of curiosity, what shirt is that?
Yes it is double, i broke down the pricing earlier Michael 9 mega bundle (12 items) base price $270.99 discount price $132.78, Michael 8 pro bundle (12 items) base price $134.95 discount price when i purchased $66.13 1 generation later the price has doubled
Thanks for taking the time to post. Please tell him I'm sorry for bringing it up. He looks looks kind of pissed! lol
Maybe a clay render like this should one have been included in the promos. Looks so different than the promos . . .
- Greg
Now calculate inflation.
Looks great - well done, Daz 3D and all involved artists.
That is mostly a timesaving boon for PAs with regards to the clothing, hair, poses, and accessories. They'd be wise when doing the poses, and some clothing items, some accessories, and some hair to make minor gender appropriate morphs and such, to work with both genders if they wanted higher sales.
What seems like it would cause some PAs a lot of extra work is doing male skin materials in basically two versions, one male, that has detailed normal/bump/... maps for more wrinkles and lines and such, bigger pores, and the other female, without those, if they desire higher sales. The PAs making females won't need to change a thing except making sure to add male anatomical elements textures, no eyebrows, and no makeup. Of course they could add the maps for bigger pores, scars, and more lines and wrinkles but I have a feeling the economic incentive for those that exclusively make female content is not there to inspire them to add the bit of extra work needed for it to be usable on both genders.
I don't think it's the position of DAZ that any non-DO character must adhere to any of those gender requirements for skin materials. I'm not sure what DO characters must adhere to but notice on the Michael 9 promos they promoed Michael 9's skin materials on Victoria 9.
One daunting issue PAs face is 'will I sell enough of X to be worth the time spent?' Which is why a lot of outfits (or other content) was rare. And I get the market, obviously I'm a PA and have faced the same issue, like with anthro characters.
Genesis 9 mostly removes the obstacle. Like, going forward? Barring something very odd, all my further anthros will be for both male and female.
As a customer, I will finally be assured that every uniform, armor, and so on will be for both male and female. I won't have to buy what comes out and pray they have enough sales and confidence to make a version for the other gender.
I can't tell you how happy that makes me.
Regarding this discussion, just a reminder, again, that you said "that all content is effectively doubled" implying that all content will be appropriate for both sexes... which is at best an incorrect statement (from a happy customer) and at worse a misguided attempt (from a published artist) to gaslight Daz's customers!
The Punch sale is applying to new releases, though - so you might be able to drop that another 10% or 20% depending on what, if anything, else you want.
Saying this as neutrally as possible, getting hung up on what is "appropriate" for genders is not going to reach any sort of objective agreement. It IS up to the people buying the products to evaluate them based on their needs.
But I am also looking at G9 lingerie and G8F lingerie from when it first came out, and prices have gone up but haven't doubled for similar items. The bundle doubled in its base prices, but the types of items they put in the bundles now have changed too. I am not seeing vendors who released clothing for G8 a few weeks ago now charging double for similar clothing.
Looking at the images in the thread, now I'm wondering if the fishnet tights from the grunge outfit go all the way up (rather than being knee-high to go under the jeans only), because I'm curious how they will look on Michael.
He looks great with different Genesis 8 hairs and current expressions works well.
That makes sense. I'm going to have to give that a whirl with some of the 8.1 characters I have. Thank you!
i totally agree... i think prices are probably going up more in line with inflation than anything else.
But i do feel we need jump on published artists making claims that simply arn't true... now for me Michael could look great in fishnets even sexy if that's your thing but stick him in a skimmpy bikini or such likes that has been cut for a female body and he is gonna look silly.
(although i do understand that not everyone will see it that way and even as i right this, the image in my head really isn't that bad
but i still stand by my point, lol)
The claim made is entirely true though, you are arguing against something that wasn't claimed. And if no one is doubling prices, arguing that the extra flexibility doesn't justify doubling the price doesn't make sense.
Hi :)
The Shirt is the one that comes with the essentials for G9.