Sales Complexity
RenderDictator
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I sometimes wonder if I am the only one who actually stops reading in the middle of certain sales descriptions?
And yes, I do have a PHD and have some tiring text in my life ...
Not to mention how little this motivates me to buy IdontCare NewMegabundle and the SkippedManyTimesBundle to get a reduced QuiteOldBundle :)
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Select Daz Original Bundles
Owners or buyers of the Ethereal Elven Bundle or Enchanted Forest Bundle get:
80% OFF* 1 Select Daz Original Bundle when you buy the Assassin 8.1 Stealth Bundle or Black Widow Bundle
Or 80% OFF* up to 2 when you buy the Assassin 8.1 Mega Bundle
Owners or buyers of the Enchanted Elven Mega Bundle get:
80% OFF* up to 3 Select Daz Original Bundles when you buy the Assassin 8.1 Stealth Bundle or Black Widow Bundle
Or 80% OFF* up to 4 when you buy the Assassin 8.1 Mega Bundle
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I certainly do. Most days Daz sales make my head hurt.
No, you are not alone... I have a rule about sales... any sales, virtual or physical... if at any point I find that I've said "wait, what?" for any reason other than thinking I've heard a disembodied voice call my name, then I tap out and leave it.
Thusly, this is okay:
“60% off your entire purchase when you buy four items from this list.”
And further thusly, this is not:
“Limited time offer... As much as 70%* off when you purchase 3 legacy items simultaneously and 2 Just Dropped** Premium items asymmetrically using your second Thursday of the Mayan calendar Monthly Madness coupon*** combined with 2 digital box tops**** laterally applied concurrently with the tertiary purchase of 1 special mystery purchase item***** purchased actively in direct sunlight between the hours 6:00 AM and 28:00 QM GMT, before or after, but not during the time spanning Intercalaris 27 thru Martius 15 of the Julian calendar as reflected by the conversion to Gregorian units using Thrifty Triple Points****** in combination with Sumerian Shekel Digital Discount Tokens sequentially applied at time of purchase, unless otherwise specified or disallowed by law or ambient humidity.
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That Mayan calendar coupon is always a tough one ...
I still read through each sales page, but I think it is only by habit started long ago when glitch sales and shopping cart jenga were still common in this place. That type of fun has largely disappeared ... but occasionally they get the right theme on sale or a slightly better than average sale and suddenly the race is on.
Obviously, their sales tactic has been working for them in general ... I guess a lot of customers are impulse buyers if these tactics work. I am in this for the long haul and not an impulse buyer so I can be patient.
I do appreciate the simplicity of the sales at other stores, but then they seldom go much more that 50 0r 60% off. The complicated sales here are probably part of what drives higher discounts and *might* make it worthwhile.
I've hit this point as well. The complexity of the deals has always been bad, when they start linking discounts to the purchase of bundles that came out months ago it's beyond annoying, but when they start linking all the discounts to the same small pools of items repeatedly, it's not worth the time to bother as often as not. The sad part is that all too often the reason many marketing people pull this kind of thing isn't as much a way to increase sales overall as to create metrics that show that people are paying attention to their ads.
I'm also out with those supercomplex sales. Why bother? But there are some other factors as well. No more stacking. No reasonable gift card sale for quite a while. Ever rising prices. Running out of SSD space for all that stuff. And so on. Waiting for the DAZ+ sale in October. Hope there will be better options then.
Regarding the simpler sales tactis on other sites I did spent much more on Rendo than here this month for several reasons:
- Store sales together with lower base prices: Some of my preferred vendors have lower base prices and go on sale quite often.
- Special introduction prices: Some products go for 50% at release. Sure DAZ Originals do also get 50% starting. But grabbing an item from lilflame for $6 at release is more impulse to me.
- Deeper discounts: They had some higher discounts recently with $3.50-fixed price products & 4h vendor flash sales with sometimes up to 70% per particular vendor. And boy I used those.
Plus most important...
- Zero buy-ins: No buy 2+ of those or 3+ of those and own or purchase that. You buy what you want. Period. I like that. Most of the time a high(er) discount here is bound to buying other stuff. May work if I really want that other stuff. Or it simply won't. Therefore my orders at Rendo for example are either significantly smaller (nice single new release with higher intro discount) or larger (a vendor goes for 70% or I can use my prime coupon on a particular vendor) than my orders at DAZ.
Yep to all of the above. Rendo has really been smoking DAZ for the last few months, and they're doing it without all the three-card monte tricks.
Ah, I'm supposed to buy two bundles at the normal (or the intro) price in order to get a third one not for free but with a higher discount? I'm supposed to spend a bunch of money to get some higher discount on something...? When I read this yesterday, I had to laugh...
I don't even TRY to decipher that stuff anymore. I can cover the whole long convoluted sales page in less than a minute now.
+1 every single point by every single person on this page.Though I do buy at under 70% off...between 60 and 70% is just ok...REALLY, REALLY have to want something at under 60%...NZ exchange rate is a killer of debit/credit cards all over this country.
I skim the sales page, anything with conditions I ignore.
Mostly I just look at the wish list once a day to see if there's anything I want at a price I'm prepared to pay.
I'm not buying much, that's not a reflection on the quality of stuff coming out, just have enough stuff. I seem to be wishlisting about 1 in 500 new items.
I tend not to think about buying unless it's 80% off for Daz stuff and 60% off for PA stuff. There's some older stuff I'll pick up today because I have a use for it, it's on a decent discount and doesn't involve sales conditions.
Double-yep to all!
It used to be that if you did their dance you could get some decent prices. But that dance now rarely ends in a good price. That's the main reason I now give up quick.
plus yesterday's buy a new bundle AND an old bundle to get a moderate discount was just crazy.
and has their been a change of gift card policy? I'm not buying more until I have store credit to compensate for the mediocre deals currently running.
Fraid I have to agree with all this. Just ridiculous. Our crazy analytic data driven world. I feel sorry for the p.a.'s, having to keep churning this stuff out. And we're supposed to start all over again with G9. Not me.
Given the variety and frequency of sales at present, i find it hard to complain in general. It's not even New-Black-Christmas-Year-Sale-Specials yet?
The overwhelming part of what i bought would be with interactive licenses and somehow for/with blender-ability, meaning i always have to check the resulting price both for the base discount and the interactive license. Since i envision some projects, even if i'll hardly get off the spot within any reasonable amount of time, it still doesn't really make sense for me, to wait until i get 0$ on the interactive license and 70+% discount on the base price for specific items "maybe next year", also being located in the EU, regarding inflation and stuff. So i'll set some limits in general, with some deviations, e.g. if it completes or enhances something already present by a lot. For complex discounts to make sense, this of course is a scenario where i a) still have a rather high budget to spend and b) allow myself a percentage of less optimal buys, always within some calculus of specific and general usefulness. Plus i might afford and like to support some artists on occasion, if they add something, that's within the direction of what i want/need/might, or just very inspiring. (For now...)
This doesn't mean i understand the discounts. I'll always be checking the cart...
+1 I feel like that meme with the woman doing the math equations half the time. And usually it will say something like 50% off PLUS 10% off if you are Daz+ PLUS 2% stacked each day and if you buy from X category. Even when I jump thru all the hoops 50%+10%+2% (at 3 days it increases but the graphic is stuck) - then when I get to check out the discount never seems to match what I think it should. So I wonder did I not get all my discounts? Sometimes it's much less or sometimes, sometimes a bit higher. I gotta say I much prefer Rendo's simplicity- 60% is 60% and pretty often they offer discount codes PLUS reward points for when I spend money with them. It's almost like they WANT my money
If they could automate installing for me like Dim/Daz Connect I'd probably be over there more often.
I don't read them at all because more ofthen than not, it seems you have to pay 3 times the full cost of the item you actually want to get 70% off that item.
I've stopped bothering to try and understand the discounts, it's a lot easier to just not buy anything.
It's kinda like this for me, too. Except for the not buying part. When I manage to get all (!) wishlisted (!) items that I put into my to at least 70% off I get tempted to buy them. Or when something that I hadn't looked at really turns up at 75% off and I notice something positive about it I missed before.
But the last time I was tempted to buy some really "new" items - as in "new today", not "new since six weeks" - was long ago. Or three weeks ago at Rendo when one of my favourite PAs there came out with a really nice product I would have wishlisted, but because it was reduced 50% (which with it's comparably low base price took it in the "70% off" for a DAZland product region) and the PA is ukrainian I shelled out the money to buy it immediately.
In case you're unclear on this, you don't need the interactive license to take something into Blender. The license is only if you're using the figures to make a 3D game that would potentially expose the meshes to end users. If you're rendering stills, making a movie, or even making a game with pre-rendered sprites/images, you don't need the license.
If I'm getting 58-65% off new stuff that I really want and that I KNOW I'm gonna eventually buy AND use, then they can keep on playing their sale games.
Agree with everyone pretty much. For me, I am downloading my runtime, item by item into my MBP M1, as it is a picky little brat, but it is making me think hard about what I buy and why and if I have used the items before on my Windows computers or my old iMac.
I have also limited patience with convoluted math crap on sales pages that waste my time. And having to open something up to find 'no products' (I own everything.) or 'stuff from Generation 4, 3, 2, 1 days' that I didn't want in previous sales or nothing in my wishlist.
I have wanted a good Gift Card sale all month, and only one measly 15% off one did I find.
Daz and PAs, I looked forward to this sale all year. But between cost of living, marketing strategies that drives me mental, and a major expense I wasn't expecting and not sure it is going to drop and not be covered by insurance, I am cutting back on my DAZ purchases bigtime.
And now, G9. Yeah, great timing there.
Yes, too complex. Here it was yesterday, in an annual PA sale, and the discounts were average and uninspiring. Finally, I realized I had to add something "Brand New as of today" in my cart to get a bigger discount, which I did. That improved them a bit, but nothing like past PA sales.