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Wow, so they want YOU to load EVERY purchase you've made manualy. Fine if you've been buying from them for 6 months, not so good hen you've been doing it for 6+ years and have Library in the terabytes. As with most companies it's about the customer's money, not the customer.
OK, so whoever posted that was wrong or maybe speaking hypothetically, thanks.
This is something theya re going to be looking at next week - for now I would grab only things you want immediately and give them a chance to implement something more efficient for the rest, if that is possible.
I think they want you to pick the items that you are actually planning on printing and selling and "purchase" *those* free licenses. Like many here, I have well over 10,000 DAZ Originals, and thousands (sadly) of those I've never even rendered once, the chance that I'll need a commercial license for those is very little.
Most of us have a tendency to grab anything that's *free* even if we really don't want it or need it, simply because it's *free*.
I doubt very much that most of the people bemoaning going though thousands of purchases to pick up their free licenses have actually printed anything for themselves, let alone actually plan on printing and selling something. I very much doubt *anyone* is going to print thousands of items for sale and are spending hours downloading things that will never be used, simply because they're free.
That said, if you don't download everything you think you'll need now and wind up actually paying for something you're going to print and sell, $1.99/20 sales (if there's still a limit of 20) is a pretty small deduction from the profits of your sales.
I'm just happy and grateful that after years of waiting, we're actually *allowed* to sell something we print at such a low cost, free or $1.99 ($1.39 for Platinum members).
Thanks, DAZ!
-- Walt Sterdan
I just add another, if the licese is offered for free now, it should be added automaticly to all producs in posession.
I must also mention not all Products i own have the licesse avaiable right now.
I get rather the shady feeling of DAZ, which many people seem to complain about in varoius ways.
That is probably the most important license to grab if you intend to do a 3D print commercially (and I can only assume that a one-time exclusive 3D print to give away to a randomly chosen Patreon supporter still counts as commercial, since it is a form of promotion).
It includes the 3D printing licenses for Genesis 2, 3 and 8 Essentials. Which means, it includes the Genesis 2, 3 and 8 base figures. Almost every Genesis 3 and 8 figure in the Daz store is based on the Genesis 3 and 8 figures. The mesh, the skeleton, the draping on top of the skin: all derivates of Genesis 3 and 8.
Now, imagine you want to 3D print Victoria 8 in some nice outfit with cool hair and a nice prop gun. You'll need licenses for the gun, the hair, the outfit, Victoria 8 *AND* Genesis 8 Essentials, since you'll be using all of those to create the figure.. But, who knows, maybe Daz will review this, and include full licenses for the core essentials in the future, since this is going a bit far, and someone official might rule sometime that their relevance and requirement is too obscure. It's hard to explain a customer that although he or she bought a figure and it's license, that he or she is still not allowed to print a 3D model out of it for someone else.
I agree, I have thousands of items to get the licenses for, and have been going through my bundles to get them, but there's so much I use.
And i usually use 4 morphs for the face and another 5 for the body to get the look I want. I really want to make figures, but this is a lot of work to do in a short period of time
Hey, RIchard or other mods: On the above linked page, on the heading graphic that is supposed to say "interactive license" it's spelled "intractive." IDK if DAZ cares, but it buggged me. LOL.
I respectively have to strongly disagree with this.
Some of us have been waiting years for a commercial license of any kind to allow us to either sell our 3D prints or to even give them away as part of a promotion.
Had they announced that they were offering a 20-print commercial license for *only* $1.99, most of us who have been waiting for it would have been pretty happy with the low price and the knowledge that if we need to print more than 20, we could negotiate for it.
Instead, they offer license for *free* for thousands and thousands of models, and they give two full months to download them, again for free.
And somehow people who will probably never, ever use the licenses see this as some kind of shady "cash grab".
Sorry, but I, again, have to disagree.
-- Walt Sterdan
I reported it
Thank you.
Daz has said and we have already posted that Daz is going to look into the issue of having to manually purchase the license of every pack you own next week. Submit a ticket in regards to the products that don't have a license, it also may be intentional. It does only say you get them for free on Daz Original products. How is offering the license for free for EVERY Daz Original you own shady behavior?
On the other hand, one of the major reasons that I never got into the 3D printing aspect was the 20 item limit, as there's the cost of finishing and painting to be considered, and that's the sort of thing where economy of scale comes into play, which in turn affects how low a price point you can maintain while still making a profit. Everything else being even, you're far more likely to sell 50 of something at $50 each than 20 at $100, after all.
If the 20-print limit was a major reason that you never got into 3D printing, might I suggest taking the free licenses you need now, and do a proper market test by printing, finishing and painting your models and see how many of the 20 you can actually sell for your $50 price (I know that was a number tossed out to contrast with and might not be your actual, planned price)? It would help determine more properly if the 20-print limit is an actual limiting factor, or if you might be better off printing one model set, then possibly a different model set with different licenses. It would also give you a real feel for how much of your time and skill is being used. I mean, if you're selling a finished, painted print for $50 (again, assuming that's an actual price you were planning) and it takes you three or four hours to finish and paint it, you might wind up making less than minimum wage.
Out of curiosity, were you looking at doing gaming miniatures or larger art pieces?
-- Walt Sterdan
Usually, there isn't a quantity number for commercial 3D printing but either a timed one (as long as you pay this this month, you can sell whatever you have for that month or you can sell for x amount of time-) or an unlimited one. Which is probably the better way to go. Limited numbers per license sound terrible to me.
Not because of the costs though, at ten cents a print($2=20prints), you'll make money (that said, the full no discount price is a bit outrageous). Big company minis are sold for like $10-60 on average. So after the cost of resin, postage, licenses, etsy/ebay fees, PayPal fees, packaging, fuel costs to transport, your time/energy/electric bill... yeah, there are a lot more costs associated with a 3d print shop than initially would seem. But still, ship only on one or two days a week, buy packaging in bulk, and sell your mini for $7-10 and you'll get there, but being large volume type sellers, you'll need a lot of licenses.
I imagine the biggest market for 3D printed Daz stuff would be stuff like that; D&D players looking for character minis or Warhammer players looking for army proxies, scalled at 28mm or 32mm.
You could do big statues, but those get complicated to finish and have a lot of labor needed to look nice. Maybe one aspect could be cosplay props, actually printing out wardrobe or prop articles and making 1-1 replicas. But again, that's a lot of work. You would be selling these items for hundreds each, due to the labor involved.
What I'm saying is that to be profitable won't be that hard (won't be easy either, unless you know what you're doing), either way, but we are talking about wildly different possible use case scenarios. I personally never buy a printing license unless it's a lifetime one. Too much to keep track of. I like to print the little things. I print big stuff sometimes too, but, as I said, that's too much work to do in any volume.
I don't know what I'm even getting at, but I'll take the free licenses and maybe sell a model or two, but this is going to get out of hand fast if you try to do any kind of volume and way too much work to keep on top of if there is such a limit of 20 per license. That's just asinine for something like this where WE will be setting up characters, hairs, outfits, poses, props- basically doing an entire scene with like 5-20 products (say your character is based off Anne for Victoria 8. That's at least 4 licenses right there; Anne, Victoria 8, Genesis 8, and a morph pack. Now dress her, kit her out, ext we're talking a lot of random licenses. Give her a different gun or hairstyle, and you're down two of your character's set of licenses, but only one on the sword or gun.
Much easier to go to Patreon or Kickstarter and get your licenses there. Both from a workload and a bookkeeping standpoint.
That said, there is a very real draw to take the dive into this and make my two hobbies and passions cross; modeling and rendering. I would love to have a go at buying licenses and printing Daz models.
With one small caveat;
A number limit to the licenses would be an absolute deal breaker for me, and that's coming from someone that might actually do something with these licenses.
P.S.
Sorry if that was inchoherant, was kinda train of thoughting that post.
well I just bought the licences for DAZ studio 4 which includes all the starter essentials and all the big V4 and M4 bundles I own for now, this will take an eternity
I suppose one needs them for Carrara and Hexagon too if modelling stuff to print? damn this is confusing
What about the items that are out of the store already? How do we get those licenses?
What about the bundles? Example: https://www.daz3d.com/halloween-fun-bundle ; the 3d printing license is 20$+
Okay, I'm not sure how this is supposed to work, but when I attempt to get the licenses, I have to add the item I own to my cart. When I go to my cart, I can then check the item license for print. While I can then get the license for $0, it also wants me to repurchase the item I already own. If I take the full item out of the cart, then it also removes the 3d print license. Is this the experience of others?
Yes, I thought it was funny. I tried Vicky 8 Pro, the first product I bought with my DAZ coupon. At checkout, the pop-up window suggested I might be interested in Vicky 8. D'ope!
Anyway, are you using any add-ons? I disabled ATI and found the check box. If you click the red "purchased" box then yes-- makes no sense. It wants you to pay for something you've already purchased. DAZ has said they're working on it though.
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Still unanswered-- maybe there isn't one. I got a 3D license for Mike Pro and Vicky Pro. What about hair? Clothes? Shoes? Other DAZ based characters like Leony?
As a test I did "Super Messy Updo Hair for Genesis 3 and 8" which is unisex. Didn't see anything about a 3D lic. Same for G3 based coveralls & shoes. Did not see a 3D lic. box
More questions than answers it seems
Thanks for responding.... so I was using Daz Deals, which I consider a must. However, when it was running, there was no option for purchasing just the license on the page. I do, however, get to search by not just vendor, but have an additional checkbox to only show items I own. When Daz Deals is turned off, then I get the license purchase button on the store page, but I have no easy way to pull up just the DO items I already own, which would make this so much easier to do.
I've never 3D printed anything, so this might be a silly question. Would I be right in assuming that texture add-ons and shader products can't be used with a 3D printing license? 3D printed objects have to be hand painted or printed in solid colors, right? That would reduces the list of products that need to be added to the cart by a little bit if that's true.
When you go to the Product page, there is a box where you can check Optional licence add ons. Check the 3D printing licence and the status button "Purchased" changes into "Add Licence" and you are only buying the optional licence.
You are ignoring technological advances - One may not get colours out of current printers, but in a few years one could be printing coloured and scented NVWAS with an attitude
Hm "Thank you for your purchase!" notes are pretty telling :)
Do you know what kind of printing licenses I was buying...?
Item:
Sku:
Price:
3D Printing License
86858
$0.00
3D Printing License
86858
$0.00
3D Printing License
86858
$0.00
3D Printing License
86858
$0.00
3D Printing License
86858
$0.00
3D Printing License
86858
$0.00
There are multicolor printers, but as far as I know .stl does not support color at this time.
I have a Mosaic 3 Pro (This is an addon device, not a printer) that prints with 8 filaments. For my purposes, that is 7 colors plus disolvable supports. It has its own interface that requires adding color data at print time, so it won't support Textures or shaders
Ha. I was almost prepared to spend a day downloading 3d printing licenses for thousands of items I've never once used, just to maximize the value of my unused stash.I still envision it as a warehouse of lifelike images ready to come to life like the basement of Westworld.
Thank you for bringing me back to reality. For others here, ask yourself "Will I ever, despite all my artistic aspirations, print out even a single object, let alone buy a 3d printer which will need to reserve actual shelf space for?"
Now, if DAZ said I just needed to click one button to get limited printing rights for all past purchases I would certainly do so. They, on the other hand, need not ever worry they were giving me anything, beyond a huge boost towards goodwill, that would cost them a cent.
Well, Daz has said - as I have mentioned several times - that they will look into this next week.
So it's on this page a well since it is having to be repeated several times.
They must be working on this as we post, because despite the identical SKU, then names of the products are listed in my "About this order" page.
In addition, when I purchase a license and refresh the produce page is checked and greyed out. If I click on the "Included items" link that is alse checked and greyedout.
EDIT
It seems that the checkbox comes & goes, but either way, you can tell that you already purchased the license