The Knight Series - Thoughts?

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  • VueiyVueiy Posts: 591

    Dandene said:

    I definitely like 03 compared to the first armor set. It does look like there's some weird bending near the thigh in the promos.  Like the metal is conforming to the shape of the leg when it bends.  I wouldn't think metal armor would be quite that flexable.  :P  

     I just noticed that earlier when I was reviewing them all.  I've seen that problem dealt with by having parented objects instead of pieces of the clothing set as "bones."  The Lilikh Outfit (very fantastical armor, lol) has that for leg and shoulder pieces, iirc.

  • Gotta say, 04 is my favorite so far....

    It looks more like "real" armor to me, that you could actually move in, and less like Cartoon/World of Warcraft/Fantasy Amor

    thinkimagonnagethisone....

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    I don't like the pointy duck feet, but i will probably get this one today.

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,533

    needs a codpiece

     

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611

    How would one even walk with those pointy feet? If my shoes are even half a size too big length-wise, I can't walk right. 

  • Serene Night said:

    I don't like the pointy duck feet,

    Some were far worse than that. 

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  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    Hah. I can see maybe riding in them but not in walking around.

  • Serene Night said:

    Hah. I can see maybe riding in them but not in walking around.

    Yep, worn for riding.  The spikes were removeable in case the knight had to walk anywhere. 

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704
    edited February 2022

    I've bought all 3 of the men's outfits and I think Series 1 and 3 are my favorite with 3 edging them all out. Both series 1 and 3 do need to have tiling increased on the chainmail texture. it gets super big and distorted if you don't.

    I thought I would like this new set, series 04, but it is less versatile than the others since large parts of it, are one piece, including the chest piece which covers the lower half of the face. If you hide the opacity so for example to have the character take his helmet off, it leaves the neck exposed. The under armor looks like rubber and is not chain like the others. When the character moves the armor bends weirdly, because its one piece. The feet do not have an optional non-point option, but you can use the series 3 boots but they don't go up far enough to cover the thigh. When I put the pointed shoes on they look really bad. 

    I think if you are going to go the route of making the outfit one piece, it should simply be a character instead. That way you can avoid the stretching issues and the distortion covering body parts, that you won't be able to see anyway. 

     

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  • DamselDamsel Posts: 391


    Cortex said:

    I like this latest female armor. I thought the male armor made him look fat in the pictures. I'm glad the female armor doesnt do that.

    I buy quite a lot of armor. I have more use for sexy armor than full coverage armor, so usually just buy that. But this looks very well made so I will probably eventually get it.

    Also from its description, I like that it is seperated into pieces so its possble to just use certain parts.


    Regarding peoples complaints about boobplate - Look up fencing chest guards on sites like amazon - you will find they do have boobs for women.
    They are mostly single piece nowadays, but that wasnt always the case. I used to do fencing many years ago (we were very lucky and had an olympic fencing instructor). While the men just wore a fencing jacket, glove and helmet. The women in the class also wore seperate domes on their boobs under the fencing jacket. Them being seperate removes the danger of pressure to the sternam as they didnt even reach the sternam, and so allowed them to be larger boobed than is possible with the single piece protectors.

    I fenced in college. In 1980, when I fenced, fencing jackets had pockets for metal cups over the breasts. I was a foil fencer, and the chest is THE target in foil. Getting hit with a foil is kind of like being rammed with a car antenna. (After a bout, I had dime-sized bruises on my thighs. They weren't big, but they were painful.) The idea of having someone ram my boob with no protection .... well, think of somebody doing that to your crotch, and you have the general idea. Not just no, but HELL no. 

  • To throw in two cents on the female/boob armor debate... Knight Series 02 is what convinced me to pay attention to this promotion, because it's the first armor I've seen on Daz that reminds me of women's fantasy armor designed during the armor period:
    15th century art showing Fortitude as a woman wearing highly articulated armor with a wing shape on her helmet, holding a broken chain, near a lion. 
    (shameless plug: check out my blog for more cool info about fantasy armor in medieval art!)

    Really wish the boob armor had some morphs, though, to make it less boobular, or at least look less braless.

    That said... I'm not super loving the quality of the textures on any of these. I was hoping for some nice shaders or something, or at least multiple material zones, but no dice. And the chainmail texture a) doesn't seem to be a normal mail weave and b) has no opacity map?! 

    The lack of codpieces is annoying, but understandable-- after all, lots of armor on display in museums is missing the codpiece and just has a drape of fabric. But on the other hand, weren't the creators bothered by the lack of protection in that area? Knight Series 04 doesn't even get a fauld, or mail.

    Anyway, if someone models codpieces for these, I'd be interested. Will trade not-very-fancy texture mods for them, if I make any!

    My first render of Knight Series 02 is attached; the plate elements are the base texture combined with these shaders.

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  • arks0ngarks0ng Posts: 275

    Well, the 'free bonus' dropped - a set of 35 knight-themed poses for gen8 M. What do we reckon?

    It does make sense the poses are for male, since 4 of the 5 items are, and 35 is a pretty big amount compared to normal pose packs. They're pretty good individually, too.

    On the other side, the pack itself is only $9 (as a base price, cheaper with 20/30% offs), and I guess poses can be slightly less exciting than what I was expecting; a sword or little vingette stand, or some horse amour or a squire outfit or something like that.

    There's also something kinda funny about the pose set being titled after the Western knight sets, which weren't even part of the promo set (I think they were in Jazz and Jaqueline 8.1?)

    Interested to hear other poeple's thoughts 

  • MimicMollyMimicMolly Posts: 2,322
    edited March 2022
    This one, Number 05, is the only one that has interested me because I've been trying to figure out how to model a helmet like that. (Where's the option to buy the individual pieces when you need it? ;3) I'll have to see how my cart works out because I've had a big expense recently and am trying to recover from it.
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  • HylasHylas Posts: 5,229

    https://www.daz3d.com/the-knight-series-05-for-genesis-8-and-81-males--the-kings-armor

    This latest one looks really good!

    The texture of the cloak is a little odd, and I wish the armour had a codpiece. But those are relatively minor gripes.

    I love how ornate it is, I think this is the only armour of the series I'm gonna get!

     

    Would love to see renders without the helmet, and without the fur/cape.

    Does the cape have morphs/bones in addition to dForce?

    I assume the fur is polygonal and not strand-based?

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,347

    arks0ng said:

    Well, the 'free bonus' dropped - a set of 35 knight-themed poses for gen8 M. What do we reckon?

    I'm nort sure that this is the bonus, since we can't yet have purchased all six products.

    It does make sense the poses are for male, since 4 of the 5 items are, and 35 is a pretty big amount compared to normal pose packs. They're pretty good individually, too.

    On the other side, the pack itself is only $9 (as a base price, cheaper with 20/30% offs), and I guess poses can be slightly less exciting than what I was expecting; a sword or little vingette stand, or some horse amour or a squire outfit or something like that.

    There's also something kinda funny about the pose set being titled after the Western knight sets, which weren't even part of the promo set (I think they were in Jazz and Jaqueline 8.1?)

    Interested to hear other poeple's thoughts 

  • bytescapesbytescapes Posts: 1,905

    I just keep looking at the King's Armor and thinking "Someone in the royal armory doesn't like the king very much."

    There's no protection whatsoever around the crotch/upper thigh area. First fight he gets into, the king's going to get stabbed in the femoral artery and bleed out in seconds.

    If he escapes that fate, he may end up taking painful damage in another part of the unprotected area. One way or another, the royal line ends with him.

  • mwokeemwokee Posts: 1,275
    I assume the cloak on #5 is optional or can be hidden? The fluffy part is horrible. For someone like me, it would be a better sell if the promo images showed the suit without the cloak.
  • arks0ngarks0ng Posts: 275

    Richard Haseltine said:

    arks0ng said:

    Well, the 'free bonus' dropped - a set of 35 knight-themed poses for gen8 M. What do we reckon?

    I'm nort sure that this is the bonus, since we can't yet have purchased all six products.

    OH WHOOPS. I could swear the lil' pic looked filled up :0

    Well in that case, it's a pretty sweet bonus then!

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    The armor has too many crosses to be useful for me i am afraid. I tend to render elves, and fantasy creatures, and making an armor too specific to a particular religion limits its usefulness. I had the same issue with the paladin armor.

  • GreybroGreybro Posts: 2,600

    Probably my favorite from the series so far!

    Bring Me My Armor

  • GreybroGreybro Posts: 2,600
    edited March 2022

    Ummm, the poses reference an item not included in the series so far. I wonder if that is the mystery "Add-On," we get.

    Where's My Shield

     

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  • lou_harperlou_harper Posts: 1,163

    Imo, they all look like DnD painted minis.

  • GreybroGreybro Posts: 2,600

    lou_harper said:

    Imo, they all look like DnD painted minis.

    Well, I guess I agree but I love the way those look. Don't play DnD or anything but used to paint those lil suckers!
  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,347

    Greybro said:

    Ummm, the poses reference an item not included in the series so far. I wonder if that is the mystery "Add-On," we get.

    Where's My Shield

    The poses reference the Western Knight, not the current series, and the shield seems to be this one https://www.daz3d.com/the-western-knight-series-01-for-genesis-8-males

  • AdreanAdrean Posts: 136
    edited March 2022

    Just got the 05. It is a nice one (design wise) but I'm kind of disappointed in one thing:

    The pants is glued to the whole body armour, meaning it is attached together with the breastplate. What's worse, there is NOT A SINGLE material zone for the whole body armour so it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to make any adjustments. Do not like the colour of the pants? Sorry, there is no easy way to use a shader on the pants only as the body armour and the pants ARE BLOODY MELT TOGETHER!

    Individual material zones for full body suits like these are really much needed and I have no idea why Daz (especially the department overlooking the quality of products) missed it (or they did notice it but just did not care).

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  • bytescapes said:

    I just keep looking at the King's Armor and thinking "Someone in the royal armory doesn't like the king very much."

    There's no protection whatsoever around the crotch/upper thigh area. First fight he gets into, the king's going to get stabbed in the femoral artery and bleed out in seconds.

    If he escapes that fate, he may end up taking painful damage in another part of the unprotected area. One way or another, the royal line ends with him.

    I was thinking the same.  Also, what are his trousers supposed to be made of?   

  • maraichmaraich Posts: 494

    Has anyone rendered the new armor without the dead chickens draped across his shoulders? I would like to see what the armor looks like without the cloak.

  • HylasHylas Posts: 5,229

    Adrean said:

    Just got the 05. It is a nice one (design wise) but I'm kind of disappointed in one thing:

    The pants is glued to the whole body armour, meaning it is attached together with the breastplate. What's worse, there is NOT A SINGLE material zone for the whole body armour so it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to make any adjustments. Do not like the colour of the pants? Sorry, there is no easy way to use a shader on the pants only as the body armour and the pants ARE BLOODY MELT TOGETHER!

    Individual material zones for full body suits like these are really much needed and I have no idea why Daz (especially the department overlooking the quality of products) missed it (or they did notice it but just did not care).

    Yikes, that's not good.

  • AdreanAdrean Posts: 136

    Oh, btw, there is no shirt underneath the armour, neither. The cloth is sitched with the metal altogether and there is NO SIMPLE WAY to change the color of the shirt, just like the pants, as they are all parts of the SINGLE "KA Body" material zone.

  • Serene Night said:

    The armor has too many crosses to be useful for me i am afraid. I tend to render elves, and fantasy creatures, and making an armor too specific to a particular religion limits its usefulness. I had the same issue with the paladin armor.

    My thoughts exactly. The chief reason why I passed.

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