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Here's my thoughts.
1) I always want more fantasy armor products, especially realistic ones. I do a lot of renders of people's TTRPG characters, so I can't have too many.
2) I have my hesitations about this particular PA. Particularly with future promised female stuff, given past outfits. I agree with the above post about 'doesn't need heavy gender signifiers'. It doesn't. I have a place in my library for sexy stripper armor, because again, I do a lot of renders of people's TTRPG characters. But that's a crowd where one person wants stripper armor and the next person very definitely *doesn't*. Personally, I prefer realistic stuff.
3) Being a Daz Original makes it cheaper for me.
In other words, having a use for this particular piece and plenty of metal shaders to fix the textures, I'm going for it (with a gift card, in fact). But I'm definitely *not* committed to the full series, especially not knowing what the freebie will be, whether they'll all be Daz Originals, or how terrible the female armors will be.
Promotions like this usually have me wishing that DAZ would split their store into two: one for the historical/Sci-Fi fantasy enthusiasts and the other for the contemporary story teller. In fact the store's Genre seach filter "contemporary" is one I automatically apply before any other. I've long had a theory that the DAZ customer base probably falls quite neatly into these two categories but that's probably a result of my own preferences.
I don't agree about the feet since I think you're supposed to imagine him turning around so he's repositioning
Imagine him instructing trainees on how to fight so now he's moving his feet in a way to maximize turn speed while using that force for more power in the elbow
I bought it.
I don't think I'll be buying any more of them.
That theory is very farfetched. How about this one? He's wearing a full armour for the first time, suddenly out of nowhere the girl he has a crush on walks by, he got all nervous and lost his balance while he was trying to impress her.
The right foot is not even parallel with the ground either. Without context, that pose looks more like a snapshot of those silly dances you see in Fornite.
And how you explain the clipping of the weed? Is it a magic armour that makes him ethereal? But, apparently clipping is not an issue for DAZ. If I'm not mistaken there was a gallery contest not long ago in which the winner render is a female wearing a large hat that is clearly slicing her right shoulder in half. Oh well.
My renders tend to deal with what is or was, and not what maybe later (ie Sci Fi), or what never was (Fantasy). As such I like contemporary and historical. So I am not sure I would agree with you that everyone fits into one of those two categories.
Is it not working good for you correctly with a character or something along those lines? Or you got the armor you needed and have no use for anything else? I'm very much on the fence. I know I'm not going to commit to getting all six, I learned my lesson with the season pass with buying things sight unseen so my expectations are non-existent for the freebie or exclusive, but I do think this armor itself looks good from the pictures.
I'm not at all interested in this kind of incentive structure but I'm happy for those who always buy a lot of new stuff anyway, I guess it's a nice little bonus for them.
As for this specific armour, it looks nice enough but I already have Sickleyield's similar armour, so no need for me.
Usable armor, I do have enough metal shaders to make it look right. Still needs a codpiece, but that is something even I can produce myself. Al least it looks like armor that can stand a real battle.
If these are 'medieval' armors, then which period of the Middle Ages is this first one supposed to represent, pray? And what are the others going to be? Right now, it looks pretty generic fantasy to me.
Yeah, I guess I was trying to make the distinction between fantasy (be it historical or Sci-fi) and "real world" stories. That's not to say that those can't be fantasies too (I guess a lot of the adult stuff would definitely qualify as fantasy). Oddly, I love watching period dramas and historical fantasies as movies or TV shows but I have no desire to create scenes in DAZ Studio full of Warrior Queens, knights and dragons. I like to make stories which reflect ordinary life but with not-so ordinary situations.
I think it was only the late medieval period that had full plate armour like we see in this product. Earlier periods were more chainmail, and perhaps a breast plate. Armor tended to get better and better (and heavier and more expensive) as the period progressed until firearms became accurate and powerful enough to render most armor fairly useless. By the time the renaissance started what armor that was still worn tended to a lot lighter, and mostly just covered the torso.
I keep waiting for this to pop into the store. If it does, then I will for sure get this and the base product!
I don't think Joe would be able to sell his UV, because he didn't create the underlying geometry. Then again, products already exist to port G3 UVs to G8, for example, so I might be wrong.
I saw the armor and thought "oh, I could find a use for that." But the more I looked at it, the more I thought something didn't look right. It feels a bit too clean. I spent a bit trying to figure out what the texture reminded me of. The armor looks like it's spray painted with metallic paint.
My thoughts? I'm not spending $60 plus {exchange rates etc} for a "pig in a poke" ... I don't exactly have a huge call for armour atm so anyhow, I do have a pretty good memory. This delightful chap came out as a "free bonus" years ago if one had purchased a whole bunch of projects {a lot of bundles if I recall correctly} ... it wasn't too popular ;-)
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Nice to see a suit of armor with a helm--I don't like to resort to kitbashing when there are so few headgear choices relative to the number of armor sets for sale. I'm not normally one for obsessing over real-world practicality (My apologies to those infuriated by high heels), but the noggin is the first body part you'd cover (More apologies to those really worried about codpieces).
Selling the base set and then a bunch of add-ons spread out over six weeks? Why wouldn't I just wait until April and decide whether I want the whole set, or just some of the items? This seems like a way to get impulse purchasers to buy the first installment and then buy the rest of it out of their sense of completeness and/or their devotion to the sunk- cost fallacy.
The armor looks like it has all sorts of rigidity problems. I think there are enough tin can suits in the store. I'm still wishing and hoping for good leather and chain.
It looks very similar to this to me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_armour#/media/File:Rustning,_Gustav_Vasa_-_Livrustkammaren_-_32921.tif
Thanks for the linkie! That's Renaissance though.
I don't rate the quality I'm afraid. The textures are awful - the default looks like someone has taken a badly rusted suit of armour and brush painted it silver. Easy enough to retexture, but if you use a decent metal shader it applies to all the straps and fittings too. And the chainmail is dreadful (see attachment). I have some nice chainmail shaders, but I can't get them to work on this. Next, the plate armour is a single item called 'suit' or 'body suit' - it's not possible to move the individual peices. So as soon as you try to have the figure swing a sword (for example) those pauldrons intersect the body, and there's no way to position them separately.
It only cost me about 8 quid in real money, so I can forgive it looking cheap - because it was.
Hmmm... I dunno.
I'm curious what is used as a frame of refrence for the modeling. To me, there is nothing cooler than real armor... and there should be enough refrences on line to real sets in museums.
Its almost like they are using "modern made fantasy armor" as their refrence point.... which is a shame.
The techiques for making armor have changed a lot in 500 years... Armorers of old didn't have access to flat-rolled steel. They had to hammer everything out from a bar of steel. So, if you could afford armor, they measured you up and made the armor fit you.
My favorite by far is the 15th Century Milanese Style... If you look at this photo of surviving armor you really can see how delicately it was harrmered out to shape (especially around legs/calves) waist and arms. And how closely it would fit the chest (its not just a metal barrel).
Now, granted, these weren't made for folks that ate fast food 11 times a week and spent 8-10 hours behind a keyboard everyday, but, methinks we aren't rendering "those" folks as Knights anyway. Even John of Gaunt's armor, that was made for a man who was 6'7", is still pretty fitted and not just some giant barrel.
Here is another set of Italian 15thC armor that is absolutely beautiful...
Even the Gothic Style is close fitting and forms to the body's shapes... Here is more 15thC armor comissioned by Maximilan I
To my eye, and sensibility, the REAL armor is much cooler than any of the modern day warhammer crazy fantasy stuff... but hey, Your mileage may vary.
Yeah... Hot-dip galvanized on top of unrealistically corroded plates that still have the slag attached...
Uhhh.... hmmmm.... *blushes*
Isn't that already available at Ren'rotica?
here is the one I saw, but I didn't take the picture: Armor found in the Swiss National Museum, Zurich | Century armor, Historical armor, Medieval armor (pinterest.com)
Definitely not that sort of leather and chain, lol.
Stuff like this...
Or this...male armor retrofitted by a woman...
Or this...
Or like...quite literally anything you see in Jackson's 'The Lord of the Rings' series, or 'The Last Kindom'. Hell, I'd even go for anything from 'Vikings' despite outcries of historical accuracy. It's still high quality stuff.
I've seen more historical accurate armour from the viking age and norse culture from my reenactment friends in the '80s when one had to make that stuff themselves than in the "Vikings" TV series.
The stuff in the LOTR movies wasn't historical, but in most parts at least looking as if it was done with the intent to look like "working armour", unlike the "knitted pullover and a spray can of silver colour" stuff done by hollywood in the past..
LOTR and Game of Thrones used universal design hack of taking historical designs and then reskinning it with some fantasy ornaments sprinkled on top. Which is why it worked.
Mount & Blade games use universal hack of reusing same armor geometry for males and females if the armor covers someone head to toes. It's not like you could tell there's a woman inside if she's wearing thick woollen tunic with chainmail on top and a big bucket covering her head.
Plate armor is rigid and does not conform to the body so the best way of modeling it would be either to use a lot of rigidity groups or lots of rigid attachments on top of a conforming uderarmor suit.
Yes, I'm not asking for 100% "this existed" historical accuracy, especially given how Rohan exists only in Middle Earth (even though it was inspired by Saxons...I believe it was Saxons, but I've heard claims that it was a mix of Saxons and Vikings...so I guess we could just say they were inspired by Germanic peoples of that era)...but I'd like stuff of quality, such as I already mentioned, that looks like it could have worked. Stuff that doesn't bend where it shouldn't bend...or stretch where it shouldn't stretch. Stuff with stitching and seams and buckles that remain solid like buckles should. But, I believe you get my point.
I was hoping to see a continuation of this marketing strategy today since it's the start of the week. Hopefully we see more this week as originally suggested.