oh I hate you Microsux updates
WendyLuvsCatz
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Thanks for shutting down and restarting my PC
In Spite of updates NOT allowed without me allowing them
and yes you bug me everytime I have that disabled
somehow this time you actually circumvented it and killed my unsaved but beautifully rendering Carrara scene.
I am not happy
has anyone else had this? I though I had it taken care of, but it seems now Microsoft has found a way to update in spite of my settings.
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Many times, unfortunately. Those settings mean nothing. Microsoft are in control. They are as Gods who look down upon us poor mortals and laugh into their golden chalices of amber nectar. "Poor sops," they giggle amongst themselves, as they play havoc with men's minds, "they actually believed that when they bought a copy of Windows they would be able to use it for something. Hah! Have another security patch, you fool!" :)
Seriously, I do wonder if there is a class action suit to be brought against Microsoft for the billions of dollars of lost productivity caused through these endless bug fixes.
I have it set to notify me and not install updates until I allow it AND choose which ones to install
this is the first time it gave no warning before shutting down, yes new updates were available, I have ignored that all day, if I had clicked on it AND chose to install I still get a shut down in an hour warning and can postpone for 4 hours.
Today was new!
It just went ahead and said F you,
too bad if I had been a researcher on the verge of a discovery that would save the world or a multimillion dollar company geek working on a costly project.
Before anyone asks, there IS a reason I did not save the scene
I save frequently on most things
but
it was an Optitex frozen animated SIM using Genesis And M6 scene imported as a duf into C8.5
yes I still can redo that
the work is all the altering of shaders and added components, saving any triax duf import in carrara a dodgy thing and can kill my work before I can render it so I rarely do.
I have never had this happen, luckily. Manual updates work fine here. What version of Windows?
don't connect your render rig to the internet. fail safe! :)
i use a cheap lil netbook for email, internet, and downloads, xfer files via flashdrive.
and i can leave the netbook open on tutorials right next to the main rig. :)
Hi Wendy,
I hear what you're saying.
Not trying to defend Microsquishy, but it might not be just their updates that's causing your system to reboot.
Microsoft has at least 2 patch systems, each with their own settings that have to be made if you want control of the reboot process, plus there's probably your machine's manufacturer, who has their own update schedule--again, with its own controls (which may nor may not be settable). And then your AntiVirus also does updates.
I work in IT management, so I know my way around computers to be able to get most of all that locked down for my home machine. But it wasn't easy to find them all or get them configured to allow me to control them.
That said, the only safe way to do as Misty said, do any rendering or other critical work while disconnected from the net--to paraphrase the kid from the commercial: "Just Pull The Plug!"
:coolgrin:
Out of curiosity, was this windows 8? I have heard plenty of stories of win8 updating without consent, but I have never had any problems with my win7 or earlier distros.
Many times, unfortunately. Those settings mean nothing. Microsoft are in control. They are as Gods who look down upon us poor mortals and laugh into their golden chalices of amber nectar. "Poor sops," they giggle amongst themselves, as they play havoc with men's minds, "they actually believed that when they bought a copy of Windows they would be able to use it for something. Hah! Have another security patch, you fool!" :)
Seriously, I do wonder if there is a class action suit to be brought against Microsoft for the billions of dollars of lost productivity caused through these endless bug fixes.
Microsoft is following in famous footsteps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CtjhWhw2I8
Ya know, I never actually tried to switch away from that TV program...
Happened to me, last night, on 7.
I've had it happen before, on XP and 7. Pretty sure it happened on 98 and 95, but the ol' neurons are getting rusty.
When I'm awake, it gives me a chance to delay the inevitable.
Once or twice, after a few delays, it went ahead and peed on the rug (so to speak) (XP).
Two update systems?
I wouldn't mind hearing some details on that.
Man, I really need to update that sig...
Hmmmm, I can't recall ever having that problem in all the years I've been using Windows '95 through 7. I get the warning there are updates, and it doesn't update automatically without me allowing it.
Of course, I rarely let it "sit" longer than it takes for a particular render to get done, and I don't think I've ever had a render that takes much more than an hour, as I don't use the highest render settings as a general rule.
Me neither. I have my system set up so the updates are downloaded, but sit there waiting until I close the computer down before they install. The computer then does the config bit when I turn it on again
Works fine for me.
I have the same issue Wendy, all updates set to manual but it still happens. Win 7 btw. What I do is to disconnect the internet before going to bed.
Tuesdays are MS update days so I try and limit what I do that day.
Recently I had my Win 7 restart with an unexpected AVG update that set of a chain reaction of other updates.
I too normally have updates set for download, but I choose what to install and when. I tend to wait a week in case an update to an update happens... which is quite often.
I am lucky and getting a new pc just for graphics work so hopefully I will have less trouble.
Not sure if I've had the reboot issue, but despite setting Windows Update to 'notify me' and manually doing the download/install I have had Windows download and install without informing me - I was rather startled when it told me not to power off whilst updates were being applied! If memory serves it was, ironically enough, something to do with the actual Windows Update process that was patched/installed which is why I think it by-passed settings.
Yes Win7 and mine usually wait until I do something, as I said icon been sitting there all day in taskbar saying new updates available when moused over
I just ignored it as usual, I do it when I am ready to shutdown.
Was my night off so intended to next day.
I have a wifi modem I never switch off, it can be a bit funny if I do. May need to look into temp turning it off PC side but not an easy thing as I leave Skype on in case others around, none were last night, but as night off would have chatted, my tablet is now deemed by google play too old for Skype.
Had it happen Win XP and Win 7
Don't know if anybody else has had this happen but I had to go to Win8.1 after I had a system crash with Win 7 what happened was I needed to restore the system after crash but when I went to do so I was informed by error message that I needed to upgrade Windows as my restore disk required a newer version of Windows. Restore disk was made shortly after a number of updates from Microsoft had taken place
I don't think I've had the "shutting down for an update RIGHT NOW!!!" message since my WinXP days, Win7 does seem to be fairly good about obeying my "download and wait" setting. As mentioned, there's also firewall and A/V updates, again they've been pretty good about waiting until I'm ready to pause what I was doing.
I wouldn't mind the interruption so much, it's just the not knowing if this is going to be an update that needs a reboot to complete.
Happens to me all the time on the lap top at work and my graphics desktop here at home. I have all that turned off and yet I get the updates applied anyways. Last night turned off the computer and came back from the bathroom to turn off the light and realized the computer was STILL on and there were updates being applied. At least I didn't loose a precious render as Wendy did. That would really piss me off!
Happened to me all the time, it stopped when I began mailing dead rats to M$ on a weekly basis...erm..I mean, when I finally took the time to tinker with my update options. Haha.
Odd, have never had this happen. i have automatic updates off and check every month manually. Have one system on 24/77 running vista 64 Business and another that gets turned off and on regularly with Win 7 64 pro.
Normally MS Updates obey your update settings, but there are periodically critical updates that override it.
It's kinda like the forced black screen... basically, regardless of the "Never shut off the monitor" setting in the Power settings if I leave the laptop or the desktop for an extended length of time the monitor shuts off. MS dictating and my desire for the monitor to stay on regardless of the time the computer has been touched is totally ignored. One of the bad things about Windows 8 and 8.1. Hope that's fixed in 10!
Aren't there two settings to fiddle with? Power timeouts and screensaver timeouts — that really puzzled me for a while until I realised what was happening. And whenever my computer was in for repair, it usually came back with those settings back on again. Annoying.
From my understanding as long as there is no Screensaver set up that feature is turned off.... Yup, just checked... Screensaver is off.
Only once in the past four years (since win7) and that was in the middle of a render.
It's bad enough that it sneaks the updates in if I've ignored it for too long then as I'm shutting down because I hear thunder it screams DO NOT SHUT OFF THE MACHINE and I have to pray the power stays on while I'm swearing at microsoft.
Aren't there two settings to fiddle with? Power timeouts and screensaver timeouts — that really puzzled me for a while until I realised what was happening. And whenever my computer was in for repair, it usually came back with those settings back on again. Annoying.
Be careful with the Power settings - don't let it put the PC to Sleep automatically when the machine is idle (in MS terminology: no user input for x minutes/hours). It will go into Sleep mode even if you're in the middle of a download, watching a video etc.. Not sure what MS was thinking (they probably wasn't...) when they made that.
As for automatic reboot after update, I've never experienced it except with newly installed systems where I'd forgot to set it to manual update (notify about new updates). Neither in XP, Win 7 or 8.
I had a power interruption during an update reboot on my laptop once
it had to attempt to repair the boot drive or something using a restore point and then redownload and run the update again
had me a bit worried but it did fix itself fortunately
I see in your original post you mentioned an unsaved scene. I make it a point in any 3D application to always save before a render. Carrara has been reliable for me, but in the past I've had both Daz Studio and Poser crashing during renders and losing any unsaved updates.
I keep the Windows Update service set to manual or disabled. Obviously not recommended for the technically challenged but I have never had any issues.
Software developers often show little respect towards their customers' property. Nothing new there.
I save my stuff every 20 minutes or so. The programs I can set up auto save I do for every 15 minutes. I've lost so many things in the past I just got into the habit
The only time that I can recall an automatic update overriding manual settings and perform a "silent install" was an internet explorer update (I don't remember if it was 9 to 10 or 10 to 11). MS had so many complaints they changed it back to optional. Other than that I can't recall another example. But it does show that MS can override your settings,