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  • kostenann1kostenann1 Posts: 8
    edited July 2021

    Windows 7 is old and a security nightmare while Windows 8.1 never received great adoption so this makes sense. Also by ditching these older operating systems and cards I imagine Nvidia has some pretty major driver updates planned.

     

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,854

    ...unfortunately there are some of us who just cannot afford to purchase spanking new hardware (particularly given the ludicrous GPU prices) so we stay with what works for us.  I'll be content to stay with Daz 4.12 as it does the job I need.  Not into animation or game development (which seems to be where things are heading) and for the most part stopped at G3, so no need for many of the new bells & whistles.

    I have 12 GB of VRAM, and 24 GB of system memory to support it. I'm content for now. 

    Crikey I'm still using PSP 4 because Corel ceased shipping actual install discs and only allowed limited downloads to get you to keep upgrading every time a new version was released. 

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    kostenann1 said:

    Windows 7 is old and a security nightmare while Windows 8.1 never received great adoption so this makes sense. Also by ditching these older operating systems and cards I imagine Nvidia has some pretty major driver updates planned.

    Nothing wrong with Windows 7 (pro) and security, don't be fooled by those who try to separate you from your money.  

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,854

    ...+1

  • PetercatPetercat Posts: 2,321

    Win7 and my wet 1080ti do everything I need with enough competency to suit me.
    Not buying into the "But it's old!" excuse.
    My 1999 carburated Harley runs just fine and is a fun ride.
    My old 4mp Olympus Verve camera still takes good photos and fits in my pocket. And it's fun to use.
    As  is my "outdated" OM1-MkII. And my 5D.
    And they're all paid for, and not depreciating nearly as rapidly as new things.
    Newer may be better in some respects, but it's not always needed.
    And it's almost always more expensive.

  • Nyghtfall3DNyghtfall3D Posts: 813

    Since scalpers are going after the TPM modules I'm returning the 10700K I bought.  I don't want to be stuck with a 4-yr old CPU by the time I'm ready to upgrade the rest of my hardware and there's no telling what will be available in 2025.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,854

    Petercat said:

    Win7 and my wet 1080ti do everything I need with enough competency to suit me.
    Not buying into the "But it's old!" excuse.
    My 1999 carburated Harley runs just fine and is a fun ride.
    My old 4mp Olympus Verve camera still takes good photos and fits in my pocket. And it's fun to use.
    As  is my "outdated" OM1-MkII. And my 5D.
    And they're all paid for, and not depreciating nearly as rapidly as new things.
    Newer may be better in some respects, but it's not always needed.
    And it's almost always more expensive.

    ...sadly phone companies here are ditching 3g early next year so no more flip phones after that. 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,854

    ..well ran Why Not WIndows 11 and my system doesn't make the grade for the following reasons:

    No DirectX 12

    No WDDM

    No GPT Disk partition type.

    No TPM

    It also gives a "?" for:

    Boot Method

    CPU Compatibility.

    So, no W11 here.

  • Faeryl WomynFaeryl Womyn Posts: 3,737

    For TPM and the Boot thing, check this video.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,854

    ...the CPU I have a Xeon X5560 (Westmere), definitely well below that "line in the sand".  So, I guess I'll just stick with trusty old W7 Pro as I don't have the resources for a system based on Generation 8 Intel architecture or Ryzen 3xxx

    Funny that Why Not Windows 11 said I didn't have DirectX 12 when it that version is supported by the Maxwell Titan-X.  DxDiag also indicates my system has have WDDM (1.1) for both displays.

    Good video BTW. Though how do you convert the boot drive to GPT without wiping it?

  • Nyghtfall3DNyghtfall3D Posts: 813
    edited August 2021

    So much for TPM security... Security resarchers hacked a TPM-secured laptop in 30 minutes.  No need to watch past 1:00 mark...

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,723

    takezo_3001 said:

    Torquinox said:

    The internet requirement may not be a hard requirement. I don't really see how you escape it if you get win 11 on a download, but I found a few articles like this:

    https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-11-home-requires-internet-to-complete-setup-but-there039s-a-workaround/

    The work-around seems to require pressing alt-4 at the right time during setup, and there is no proof that capability will be in the release builds. All your other tech overlords demand you make an account to use their stuff. Not sure why people think MS would be different or (at this point) what difference it really makes.

    Oh don't get me wrong, I don't have too much of a problem with an MS account per se, it's just that I don't want those restrictions when I first set up my install as I:

    1. Have a 2-line paragraph password for my MS account, (And all my sites/etc where the password requirement is not strict) requiring a C&P input; which cannot be done during the initial win install.
    2. I don't like to rely on the internet for installs in case I have to reinstall windows as I lost my internet before.

    Thanks for the link, I think I read it before, I'm going to be waiting 'til they come out with the pro version anyway as I like the added features as well as the less strict install req...

    LeatherGryphon said:

    During installation of Win10, disconnect your Internet.  Without Internet the system installs a local account.

    Also, during installation if you have an Internet connection Win10 will try to trick you into establishing an MS account, but so far, I've been able to find a small little phrase (usually at the bottom of a page) that if clicked takes you to a page (or two) that eventually leads to establishing a local account instead.  You have to be a detective though and carefully look in all the unusual places.

    Also, if you're already hooked into an MS account, you can disconnect from it, somehow.  I've seen it, I've tried it, it works.  But I forgot how.  I leave that as an exercise for the reader.  I operate all my computers with local accounts.  Both Administrative and Standard user, on all of my Win10-Pro and Win10-Home machines.

    Thanks a lot for the info, but I should have been more clear, I meant the window 11 pro version, as I already have 10 pro, thanks all the same as the info is still sound!

    You can do "Local User" clean Windows 10 installs still even today. I don't know if that's still going to be the case with Windows 11 though.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,723

    Nyghtfall said:

    So much for TPM security... No need to watch past 1:00 mark...

    Claiming the defeated TPM security and actually doing so are 2 different things. Defeating it involves getting access to TPM keys and such. Well people, store the keys that work with those online, even with the help of Microsoft, but that's not really defeating TPM, that's using those keys in a way it was designed to work. You can also "break" into it if you have physical access to the unique TPM module itself but again, it's not breaking the encryption it's using the keys to decrypt exactly for what those keys were designed to be used for. A thief can still my car if they have my car keys but they really haven't broken the car's security. They just have my car keys.

  • ATLPRATLPR Posts: 147

    kyoto kid said:

    ..well ran Why Not WIndows 11 and my system doesn't make the grade for the following reasons:

    No DirectX 12

    No WDDM

    No GPT Disk partition type.

    No TPM

    It also gives a "?" for:

    Boot Method

    CPU Compatibility.

    So, no W11 here.

     

    I hear ya!!!

    A new server I ordered a month ago came with TPM1.2 and is running Win10Enterprise [NAS Disks dynamic as RAID 5] ... but (windows 11 requires TPM2.0) ... and I was like THIS IS SOME BS ... my new server will be outdated about 2-3 months after purchase.

    =>I was looking at TPM emulators last week, e.g.: https://github.com/starlab-io/docker-tpm2-emulator

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    Your partiton can be converted to GPT easily using free "Mini Tool" ... (experience) - however about 1 in 5 attempts to do this have failed resulting in corrupt disk or data (take a back-up image and create a installation USB boot drive before you try it)

    Back-up with powershell line using this command: wbAdmin start backup -backupTarget:D: -include:C: -allCritical -quiet

    =>D is any external HDD with enough space to back up to.

    =>C is the assumed system volume, but also add any other volume you want

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    You can probably install WDDm drivers and learn more here: ???

    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/display/wddm-2-0-and-windows-10

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    CPU compatibility probably eliminates most of the old PC's I have around here too.

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    You can read more or get direct x here:

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/how-to-install-the-latest-version-of-directx-d1f5ffa5-dae2-246c-91b1-ee1e973ed8c2

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    I have a feeling Windows 11 will fall flat [if] they don't loosen their grip a bit and get with reality.

  • Noah LGPNoah LGP Posts: 2,617

    It's possible Windows 11 be like Vista and 8 / 8.1

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    Noah LGP said:

    It's possible Windows 11 be like Vista and 8 / 8.1

    Quite possible, especially if the corporate users find it too costly to yet again to teach everyone, how to use the new and 'improved' UI, which so far has not been advertised with any actual improvements as far as productivity is concerned.

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