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WOW ! I don't know what I'll do when support for Windows 10 ends in 2025. My 5 year old primary computer that cost me about $2K won't support Windows 11. The PC health app says my processor (Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz) is not supported and I can't afford to invest in a costly new system with the graphics capability needed to run Iray at a reasonable render speed.
Okay, a different question.
I just did the check (offered through Microsoft's PC HEalth app) and my laptop (Intel i7, NVIDIA GEForce 940M, 12GB RAM, 3GHz, 2 cores) can't be upgraded to Win11. Specifically, "processor isn't supported." I am wondering what the issue is. My current theory is the "64GB storage device" in the specifications. My husband who is a former computer tech has nothing to offer beyond "WTH. It's got a newer processor than the laptop Son just bought me for Father's Day."
This is a 5 year old laptop but it does what I need it to, including Iray renders. Alrhough it's nowhere near as fast as my previous quad-core desktop, which I still miss, even though I called it HAL9000 2.0 (Because it had many quirks that made me want to scream, in frustration if not fear LOL)
Ugh. My processor isn't supported. I am not happy.
Well, the lists of CPUs that are compatible with Windows 11 are pretty dang small:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors
Basically, I have nothing that is compatible, even the workstations I just built (from surplus server parts and Maxwell or Pascal GPUs). Oh, well, if they maintain Win 10 support until 2025, that allows the chip shortage to be over (then again, if everyone has to upgrade....maybe not). Guess I will start saving up now.
On the other hand, I expect that Microsoft will have considerable feedback on this issue (Torches and pitchforks! Torches and pitchforks!). Many big companies do not upgrade office machines all that often, and this could be a massive problem.
I suspect Intel and AMD are grinning from ear to ear....
...well that leaves my system out as I have an X5650 Xeon and a Maxwell Titan-X. Ah well, W7 Pro has been nice and stable for years.
Unless I have a wealthy relative leave me a windfall or hit the Meabucks lotto looks like I'll stay with what I have.
...yeah I discovered that too. So much for that, but then I don't have a TPM chip (old x58 MB) ao it's moot anyway.
The interesting part, I would have no intent to use Azure anyway because I don't care to work in the cloud and leave my IP there.
The 'cloud' is someone else's disk drives on a server you have no control over. I'll never go there with my data.
At this point, I use the laptop (8.1, about to be replaced by an MSI gaming on 10 pro) for web surfing and downloading to a USB drive.
I've a W7 system for watching video, playing music, ripping CDs and DVDs, running my Epson V500 scanner, and the ocassional writing task. I don't see any need to ever upgrade this system.
And then there's the render box - DAZ Studio, Irfanview, GIMP, and assorted support items. The driver for this will be DIM/Studio updates and Nvidia driver updates. This will probably go to W10 Pro when I need a new driver for Iray. Its over five years old, so probably not a candidate for W11 - need a new MB and CPU at the least. But it doesn't know what an internet is, so I don't worry about security updates for it.
So right now, if I'm still round about 6 to 10 years from now, and if I'm still doing this stuff, I'll consider upgrading to whatever is replaceing W11.
In short - I'll burn that bridge when I get to it, I've got more interesting items to worry about currently.
My rendering/content creation/gaming PC is definitely not Win11 compatible. Still on Win 7 (offline) and running fine.
Only I've finally encountered a program that won't work - Adobe decided Substance should be Win10 only (after buying it from Allegorithmic) - I guess their improvements required it, or something, but I'd need all new hardware to avoid Win 10 being a performance drop. If GPUs were't off-the-charts crazy price, I'd just about manage a new machine. For now, I'll have to look at alternatives.
Found a YouTube video outlinining the TPM issue and possible solutions to check for:
I re-checked my BIOS after watching and didn't find any relevant settings to configure, so I'm definitely out of the running for Win11.
Regarding CPUs note that the list is for "supported" ones. There is speculation that you may still be able to install Win11 on a system with an unsupported CPU, it's just that MS won't provide any assistance if needed. I guess we'll have to wait until it's released and users start accumulating real-world experiences with Win11.
That's only regarding the CPU issue. The TPM requirement still stands.
Thank you for the info, good to know what is really going on and more so that I have TPM on my system, just not turned on it seems.. lol
I bought a TPM 2.0 mobule for my Gigabyte motherboard wunning a AMD Ryzen 7 2700 CPU last year. It was expensive at $25 on eBay. I use it to encrypt my local drives on the PC. I once even had to go online to MS to retreive a backup unlock of the key for a particular drive after I upgraded the motherboard BIOS causing Windows 10 to think I was using a different computer with that drive.. I sweated that one a bit until I got the backup unlock key online. If push came to shove I could of restored the motherboard BIOS to the prior version. I don't know what else those TPM 2.0 modules enable.
I think TPM 2.0 is Microsoft's solution to protecting computers against ransomware, which has been mentioned a lot in the news lately. So, if ransomware were to overwrite your BIOS firmware with malware, TPM 2.0 is somewhow able to scan it and give you control of your computer back? Something like that. But, that probably has something to do with Windows 11 too. Older operating systems might not work like that.
I'm inclined to lean towards limiting and restricting the user even more.
If MS really wanted to protect the user, they could have done it already some 25+ years ago by isolating all internet related activities to a sandbox or virtual machine that cannot touch and/or change anything on the host system, but they will not do it because of marketing interests, the same interests that the hackers are exploiting.
As a single person, living alone, I can't see any use for full drive encryption. I have several terabytes of material on my drives, the vast majority consisting of documents, images, and videos downloaded from the internet. There's no point in encrypting these. I have one directory of less than a gigabyte that might qualify for encryption - tax and medical data - but I don't even consider that worth the effort.
I got a question for anyone experienced with using this kind of hardware.
Will this TPM device have to encrypt/decrypt my entire 2TB+ daz studio content drive every time I want to use it? If so, how long does that take?
Based on the research I've done trying educate myself, no.
Windows 11 will take control of the TPM while your system is booting to verify O/S integrity and insure you're not loading malicious code. One example is rootkits. Rootkits are bits of software that live on your computer undetected and can load before the O/S does. The TPM will help Windows 11 find and weed them out while your system boots.
Conversely, if I understand correctly, if you have sensitive data you want to protect on a hardware level, the TPM will let you do so by encrypting it with a key that you can store on the TPM.
Reference:
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/what-is-tpm/
Well, I turned on TPM PTT in my BIOS and ran the PC Health Check app. It tells me that my computer is ready for 11. Unfortunately, I can't hear sound from my computer now. There doesn't seem to be any driver issue since the computer acts as if it is playing the sounds. They just aren't coming out of the speakers. I'm not sure if sound issue has anything to do with TPM but can I safely turn it off in the BIOS again to test it?
I can't find anything about TPM/PTT adversely effecting audio output but you can safely turn it off. If there's an option to clear any stored data, you might want to enable it when you un-check the PTT. I suggest reading the link below for detailed instructions, adapting the steps to your BIOS of course.
Reference:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/information-protection/tpm/initialize-and-configure-ownership-of-the-tpm
I have 2 family members I live with that can't remember their FB logins. They refuse to write them down. Adding TPM to the mix, and a guarantee of data loss every time the TPM password is forgotten should make for some entertaining times ahead.
Welp, I've been weighing my options. Here is my current situation, thoughts, and what I've decided to do:
My workstation is custom Core i7-4770K I built in 2013. I've upgraded its storage and GPU several times over and the only original compents left are the motherboard, PSU, CPU, and RAM. I future-proof'ed my PSU by buying a 1000W'er and use dual 1080 Ti's for Iray.
Thanks to the global chip shortage and GPU scalping, I've been debating whether to replace my build with a boutique PC, or switch to Mac. I bought an M1 Air last December and love it so much that I've been strongly considering replacing my PC with an M1 Mac mini, even though it would mean giving up GPU rendering. Last night, I realized it would also mean having to buy Mac versions of my Windows apps. Coupled with other, more limiting aspects I'd rather not tie myself to, switching to Mac is no longer on the table. I prefer choosing the compenent brands I support, so buying a new PC from a boutique is also out.
I'm going to keep my workstaiton and, as soon as funds and available stock permit, buy a new motherboard, CPU, and RAM.
If the list of supported CPUs is accurate and doesn't change there will be thousands of computers ending up in the trash world-wide when 10 is no longer supported.
Thank you for the information. It turned out that my audio issue was an easy fix. The power strip the speakers are plugged into accidentally got shut off somehow lol.
Different companies, different cultures. I can't do anything about that.
Those people don't last long where I work. Sorry your experience is different.
No prob; thanks!
Azure is just Microsoft's version of AWS. It's not about "storing data in the cloud", it's about running your application in the cloud, and having be more reliable, secure, and scalable.
And they are, your fear notwithstanding.
I'm with you on subscriptions. I hate 'em all, even the cheap ones like the DAZ PC thingie.
I do nearly as much on my phone as I do on my computers. It's your choice of course, but you're actually missing out on a big part of modern computing.
As far as I understand it, the TPM chip just validates your credentials. If something is to be encrypted/decrypted, that's done by another type of processor, typically in your hard drive. And being hardware based, it's so fast that people are using audio recording programs without issues, even with i3 and i5 processors. I'm really not worried about en/de-cryption performance in this area.
My PC is used for one thing only - my DAZ Studio addiction. I browse the web on my iPad, use Messenger on the phone and iPad and read emails, listen to audiobooks, stream Netflix, etc all from my mobile devices. Yet my DAZ addiction gets the lion's share of my hobby funds. I tend to go four years between major upgrades but that has stretched to five or six now that I'm retired. I would probably switch to Linux if DAZ had a native Linux version but I can't do with the hassle of trying to get it to work in WINE. If DAZ ever dumps DAZ Studio then I hope that there will be an easy port of content to Blender by then and I will then switch to Linux.
TPM doesn't require user input. It simply protects your PC from hardware-based threats. No one will have to remember anything.
Think of it as an internal USB key for your PC, but without an LED or randomly generated code you'll have to enter. Windows 11 will use the TPM to automatically verify what it needs and then finish booting, You won't even see it happening.
Windows already performs checksums in the background while booting to ensure the hardware it needs to run is present (commonly referred to as "posting", something custom builders like myself get especially excited about when booting up for the first time because it means we plugged everything into our motherboards correctly and nothing is broken). Windows 11 will need an extra piece: a TPM.
HA! Nice... :D
Thank you gentlemen.
My MSI X570 MEG unify board has the TPM header, but no module plugged into it.
I looked in the BIOS and my ryzen 7 3800xt has a firmware (fTPM) that was already enabled, so it looks like I've been using it for a while now unknowingly.
If it's been doing anything; it's been completely transparent to me and without any issues I've noticed. Windows 10 Pro. I neither use bitlocker drive encryption, nor the file encryption service. Maybe it's been doing some of the other security related stuff I've read about lately in the background.
Awesome. Then your PC may be ready for Windows 11. You can verify with MS's PC Health app:
https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp
It probably uses on-the-fly encryption, meaning that the disk stay encrypted all the time, and only the data you access are being decrypted (in memory) while in use (or encrypted if data is written to disk). So as a user you don't really notice the disk is encrypted, it behaves completely like a normal disk. En/Decrypting a whole 2 TB disk would probably take hours, so that's unusable in this context, with on-the-fly encryption however, even if it slows down read/write speed a bit you'll hardly notice the difference, if it's well implemented.