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...my pocket watch tells me the time, I only have to look out the window to see what the weather.is.
There are no issues using Windows 10 and ANY device connected to the internet needs to be regularly updated to cover any vulnerabilities which could allow your system to be compromised.
There are various utilities you can use to prevent Windows telemetry reporting back to the mother ship, I use 'https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10', you have to remember to run it after every update because Microsoft have a habit of quietly turning the telemetry back on...
There's nothing wrong with using Windows 7 or 8 or 8.1, I never had any trouble with them despite all the wailing at the time and they are fine to use on a standalone un-networked machine if they software you want to use works fine.
It doesn't matter what you use, Windows, MacOS, Linux or BSD, they all have their caveats, just use what suits you best.
Best Wishes
Steve.
I kinda like the weather widget... *shrugs*
It's fine for me too, and I use it on 3 computers; one for work and two for personal use.
In a corporate environment, the main problem is those who think they are more experienced/power users. And yet, they're not. Before people get mad at my comment, please hear me out.
I work in a corporate environment, with thousands of users. Some of them are power users. Most are not, regardless how much they love the "old days" when you could lift and drop a Windows application directory structure and change junctions to point to it. I'll tell you the three biggest problems for us are as follows:
1. Old, not upgraded, environments; usually OS or database related. These are the things that break most often, usually after security patching, but sometimes a simple network change can bring these down. These are the things that require the most labor at the most inopportune times (weekends, 2 am, Christmas Day) in order to fix. In some cases, there is no fix, and even a restore may not bring back full functionality (for example, if the restore was only one portion of a clustered bunch of servers).
2. Unsupported environments (OSs, databases, applications) that don't have an upgrade path (either not one offered by the vendor or not one the customer is willing to fund/upgrade to), as well as other old, un-upgradable environments. Humans mostly hate change, and we resist, sometimes to our dying breath, the need to attend to the full lifecycle of applications and environments. But it is that aversion to change that contributes to a significant number of "suddenly obsoleted" environments...when they finally break after 20 years and there's no replacement parts of that vintage left in the parts bin. Yep, we have had to do that on occasion: start a development project to replace this or that 20-year-old application that had a failure and cannot be brought back from the brink of failure.
3. Self-identified "power users" who get in and muck around with things that no longer abide by the rules that the user remembers. Power users, in my experience, tend to rely on what they knew 15 years ago as if it were fact today. We're terrible about keeping up with the times. How many of you actually understand that the difference between cold and warm restarts changed for Windows when Windows 10 came out? If I was "king for a day", aka VP of IT, I would block any manual tweaking of memory, virtual storage, CPU, or other settings. For servers AND for employees' client machines! But since I'm not a VP, I'll have to just ask you all to stop tweaking your systems, people; you're making it worse and you're overburdening your company's help desk and desktop IT personnel!
4. Audit findings and outright failures due to 1 thru 3 above.
In a corporate environment, I support the complete lockdown of client laptops. Something like 95% of viruses and ransomware attacks simply cannot happen if you stay updated and don't give out Administrator authority like candy. So let's do this and then let's follow up by really really asking questions when somebody insists they need administrator authority to install some desktop application or utility.
The evidence is clear, at least at my employer, humans who think they know it all are often causing their own headaches!
I've got news for you. There were studies that showed that most people didn't service their own cars even in the "old days" of simpler times, like in the 60s and 70s. Worse than that, the great majority of people didn't bother to take their cars in for service, either.
Oh sure, there were a lot of backyard mechanics back then, but it wasn't a majority, no way. I actually WAS one of those who did my own oil changes, tire rotations, transmission fluid changes, and belt/hose replacements on my muscle car. But I hated every minute of it; and I wanted to be driving rather than having rusty oil dripping on my face while I was greasing the steering linkage fittings.
Now I pay for somebody else to all that stuff. They have the tools and it takes them 1/10 the time to service and fix my car. The complexity of the engine has little to do with it, so little that it's not even worth my effort to complain about it.
And I say this having owned a Prius for a decade and a half. And when a car starts to become a pain in the keester, I sell it and move on.
This is good advice.
I tried Linux a few times, and to me it just doesn't work well as a general purpose client OS. It's much better as a server, book reader, garage door opener, swimming pool filtration, irrigation system, security camera, or washing machine and dryer operating system!
I believe people who refuse to upgrade to the current version of Windows cause themselves undue hardship. The computer world moves forward. We get more powerful computers, new versions of our operating systems, and new versions of our software. Those who use graphics software are under greater pressure due to the demands of the software.
Give yourselves a break. Upgrade your computer, and your O/S. Upgrade to the latest version of DAZ Studio.
...in a corporate setting that is understandable, everything must work together seamlessly. In such an environment the IT staff handles all the "distasteful" tasks a well as sets up the standards and rules for individual workstations throughout the company. Indeed, these rules are important foremployees to follow to avoid compromising the entire company's system (and we've had that occur where I used to work)..
In an single user environment with one's own personal system which is not part of a company intranet or otherwise owned/supplied by the employer (such as a company provided notebook), it is a different situation.
I follow pretty stringent rules of my own when it comes to my hardware, and save for component failure (an HDD and a PSU going out which will inevitably happen), it has been bug as well as malware free for as long as I've had it. I had no trouble taking the time each Patch Tuesday to review security updates for potential bugs that could cause instabilities (which saved me a lot of frustration and aggravation in the long run) while I was able to permanently forego most feature updates as I didn't need them.
That is not the case with the current Windows model. You can defer feature updates on Pro for a limited time but after that you had to accept them whether you want to or not (and when the general 6 month update is issued, you had to go through ridding your system of rubbish over again). Similarly, with the "rollup" model for security updates, you either accept the entire bundle (which likely may contain a couple files with bugs) or not, no "in between" like before. Yes, the "spoon fed" concept may be necessary for the LCD of users today who have little to no savvy, but for a those of us who have taken the initiative in the past to do this ourselves, it is frustrating if not even a bit problematic, particularly when something in a general update has a bug or two that slipped by QA.
Oh, and I did mention that working on your own car was dependent on how mechanically inclined you were, it's the same with anything from bicycles to computers. True it was not always a pleasant experience but the savings compared paying someone else to do it was often worth the trouble.
Ah yes, it really is incredible the lengths some people will go through to avoid updating Windows or avoid Windows all together. The conversations I have had with people can be pretty mind numbing. They can have so many issues, not a one or two, but tons of issues all because they refuse to change.
Obviously MS cannot make everybody happy. They have over a billion users. They cannot just go ship a "basic" version of Windows today, because then a number of those users would still end up harming themselves and more importantly OTHERS because of their non action. The comment above about people who still use software like it was 15 years ago is so on point. We live in a very different world now. Malware has adapted extremely well and everything that is old has been hacked. Everything. And by not updating, you can potentially expose other people to your malware through various communications.
We have seen how non action helped spread a real life virus this past year. Allowing people to install a basic Windows would lead us toward a very similar disaster in the virtual world. It is sad, but people cannot be trusted.
This is why MS does what they do. It is very much a necessary evil in our modern world. It is true that they also add things we may not like in an update. But it is still Windows. If you know what you are doing, you can change pretty much everything about Windows, completely costumizing your setup for yourself with things like Powershell.
If you work in a place that has policy to force you to update everything...well the problem is the with that policy, not Windows. You would have the exact same problem if this was Windows 7, because you still would be required to keep everything up to date under the company policy. And then you would run into new problems with software that no longer supports 7.
What I like about 10 are the updates to Task Manager, it is much more robust and detailed, along with other QOL improvements that Windows 7 simply doesn't have. Frankly I do not miss 7 at all. Now I did not like 8, I can attest to that. But 8.1 fixed many of the issues I had with 8. 10 is a continuation of that and offers even more QOL improvements.
And, I am fine seeing my time and weather. I have weather stations set up at home, and I have a smartphone with weather apps on it. OK, that's nice. But I can glance at my computer screen now and see this quite easily. It is, dare I say, convenient.
Same here.
My Mum hates thunderstorms (we're talking uber-phobia level). So when they'reforcast on the TV in our area, I'll have a look at the weather app. That app seems to be better at predicting the weather, than the weathermen on TV.
*Sighs* I've had nothing but problems since upgrading to Windows 10 (many moons ago). For now, Microsoft can shove any new version of Windows up their recharge socket.
I loved Windows 8, before it became 8.1. Vista was just a car crash on my old laptop.
But when I'm having problems with the computers that run Windows 10, I end up missing the Windows 3.1 machine that I used to have.
Okay, so it couldn't run Daz, but at least it never randomly rebooted on me.
Here's the update history for my render PC. I'm still running version 1607, that's the one marked grey on the screenshot (KB4049411), which I said yes to install. After that, not a single update in 3+ years. The update on top of the list a month ago is NET Framework 4.8 which I installed myself because I installed a program that needed it. I does notify about updates once a day but I just click OK and then close the update window when it pops up.
I have another Win 10 PC running version 1809, installed 2019-03-09. Except for a lot of Windows Defender definition updates not a single update in the history of that PC either, since then. And it doesn't even notify about updates.
So you can block updates indefinitely if you want, at least on the Pro versions.
I do intend to update them to the latest version at some point, I've just kept postponing it because it's troublesome (clean install plus a lot of programs and stuff).
...can you block the version updates (which for some tend to be the most troublesome and lengthy ones) indefinitely?
Also, a simple solution to the unwanted feature bloat with the Pro Edition would be to allow users to permanently disable whatever "features" they choose at install (and version updates) rather than having to track them down and remove them after the fact.
Security patches are a different matter as those are what protects the system, feature updates don't.
I'll wait and see how this W11 thing works out. At least it appears they dumped the hideous tile concept and went back to a start menu which can remain minimised off to the side.
Well at least for 3 years it seems, as I'm still on 1607 on one PC. The settings used to block are meant for sysadmins (Group Policy editor) I think, so they are probably not removing them.
...but if forego the new version updates can you still get security patches?
So far I've found the Xbox thing annoying. A good thing is that Windows 10 "reads" some file types like Corel Draw to display a usable thumbnail of the contents of the file.
So far the overhead is tolerable, and possibly fewer crashes as compared to Windows 7 say.
I had a weird thing happen today. After an "update" the previous evening "Skype" seemed to come back (I hate Skype - what is this, "force ware"?) and the outside temperature in a distant suburb - not my suburb, maybe it is getting strange information from my cellular modem? - showed up on the taskbar next to the system tray. Accidentally touching the temperature with the mouse while doing something else caused some "news items" from a television network that I generally like (it happens to be located just up the street from me) to occupy almost half the screen; again I did not really ask for this at that particular moment in time.
I think the search feature lacks clarity. I have been using Fileseek (https://www.fileseek.ca, plug plug
) instead.
...that's the kind oif rubbish I want to avoid. Not into little annoying "surprises". If they'd just stop with that
It's like taking the car in for a tune up and the mechanic also installs a bone and fender rattling subwoofer in the boot because it's a new "standard" feature.
I have two Windows 10 PCs. One is na HP Envy. It's been running just fine. I gladly accept any updates and never have any troubles.
My second Windows 10 is a computer that I built myself. I install all updates, and have no troubles.
So it seems to me that there are two issues conflated as one here. Firstly, updates that improve security - yes. No idea why anyone would not want them - the last thing I want is an infection. Second - Microsoft asuming that I will welcome what they think I will like. Reading some of the comments here, maybe some do but I don't want widgets on every device pushing news feeds at me. There are actually some news items that I go out of my way to avoid - as I explained earlier (e.g. sports results). So just because I object to the latter does not mean I block the former.
A good example of that is the move from MDI to SDI interface in Excel between Excel 2010 and Excel 2013...
You can control your own computer, just lock it down properly.
A "basic" version of Windows does not necessarily mean an unsecured version.
Pushing security updates is fine. Pushing bloatware is not. As Marble posted earlier, people are confusing the two issues.
You make a lot of good points and I agree with virtually everything you said, but please consider something I've seen from the other side of the fence -- stubborn IT personnel and/or departments.
The trouble is that many IT staff feel that they must be considered as the experts in *everything* computer-related. They get very defensive when a client comes along who knows far more about a specialized application. The IT folks know far more about networking, security, the standard corporate apps, etc, but some can't accept that somebody else may know more about a specialized application (but still an industry-standard one, not talking about going off into the weeds here). They get defensive because they feel somebody is challenging their expertise in general.
The good ones enjoy learning more and can work together to come up with a solution so the app fits into the corporate IT environment properly. The frustrating ones, when pressed, just say "we don't do that here" and refuse to budge. Over the years, as IT departments became more and more of an institution, with IT work becoming just a job rather than a passion, sadly the latter type have become more common.
Just wanted to add a counterpoint.
This can work both ways. I work with a lot of Microsoft experts who seem to think that I should be fluent in the Microsoft dialect of of computer gibberish. Unfortunately, I'm not, since my job is writing and maintaining manufacturing software on the IBM Power I. More than once, I've recieved an email which is completely incomprehensible to anyone who isn't an expert in the murky internals of Windows.
Cheers,
Alex.
A lot of us power users, would only install the security updates, and leave everything else. Then microsoft started sneaking crap we didn't want into the security update section. So power users started making lists online, about which security updates were actually security updates, and which were telemetry BS and all other stuff that should not be in security updates. Then microsoft decided to use roll ups to force us to install everything they think we should, or not get any security updates. So people started making programs to counter it, like OOSU and O O APP buster and blackbird to rip the bloat back out of windows guts every time we decide to update. It's a ridiculous battle. I don't want any pretty widgets, or graphical enhancements that eat up resources. I want all the horsepower I paid out the nose for going to the graphics apps I bought them for, not the OS and a bunch of stuff I don't need or want. It's not really all that much to ask for.
Cannot see a word to disagree with. The same with cars. My little 2CV is not the best car in the world. But it does what I need it to do, and absolutely nothing more. That is what I want from my computer's too. Every resource available used to do the job I want it to do. Because of this attitude, my 70+ yo design car still gives better fuel consumption and lower emissions than my smug neighbour's right-on woke hybrid computer with wheels.
I accidently hit the Download button on the oldest system (1607) yesterday, so it downloaded and installed a "cumulative" update package, but it's still 1607. I also see a "2021-05 Update for Windows 10 Version 1607 for x64-based Systems (KB4023057).", this looks pretty strange so I'm continuing to update now to see what happens.
It comes down to who is more expert and who is getting paid for all their time to make Microsoft Windows 10, or Windows 11 soon apparently, more secure and I can guarantee you it isn't me, nonesuch00.
I do wish MS would segregate the installs into 2 tabs: Microsoft OS and the other, everything else.
Time does not stand still, In the Big Bang Theory the character Sheldon hates change but at the end he realises that the only thing that never changes is that change happens.
I've been using Microsoft technologies since MSDOS 2.1, for over 30 years, along with a myriad of other stuff, it's been my career, a jack of all trades and master of none if you like, although companies no longer want people that can do stuff, well the one I worked for didn't anyway.
Originally Microsoft operating systems just allowed you to run whatever you wanted with the minimum of interferance or security.
Over time the world changed and Microsoft were hammered for the poor security (I'm not going to get into all of Microsofts deficiancies over the years, and I'm definately not an apologist for them)
Eventually over time they decided to tighten up the security until we are where we are now, the consumer versions of Windows have security and feature updates applied to them as appropriate by default.
The version of Windows that lets you have control over the operating system is called Windows Enterprise.
I believe the minimum number of licences you have to buy is 10 but Microsoft licencing was always one of those subject best avoided if possible, a bit like trying to understand Daz maths.
Unfortunately in 2021 all the technology companies Google, Apple, Microsoft, not just hardware and operating systems but applications as well, whoever it is, they want your telemetry and if you don't want them to have it you have to jump through the hoops required to do that.
It isn't going to go away...
Steve.
I agree. Witness Google/Android and the stuff that "appers" (these folks used to be called programmers, ha ha ha!) make for you in the Play Store. Heh. If you download something that makes a fart sound, you have to consent to letting it access your entire system and pictures, browsing history, contacts etc.
I did notice recently that after apparent failure of the Yahoo > Verizon > Oath merger there seems to be a bit less of the "we want to read all of your email" stuff.
My bad, re: my previous comment about the weather thing in the system tray on Windows 10, but still - it's funny how people (including myself) started to complain all at the same time. I'd like to hear if other folks get the news from the TV station that's just up the street from me on Barber Greene Road in Toronto, Canada. That's the one that I get; your results may vary heh.
I just now came up with another weird one in Search. Like Ron Knights, I am lucky to have more than one machine... on one device all PDF files have been renamed to "Edge File Somethingerather" in an attempt to promote the new "Microsoft Edge" browser. Ok so I know how to modify file properties but still! COVID-19 and the vaccines issue continued to be page one news in the early summer of 2021; I wanted to locate a file from the spring. It's bad enough that content creators still try and hurry through the "File > Edit > Save As" process ― they skip the metadata and tend to just name all of their documents "X1" and "B9" ― but add to this the need to spend two hours at the start of every day reading through the previous evening's operating system changes, arrghh. And when Adobe (usually listed under "A") or PDF (under "P") gets switched over to "E" for Microsoft Edge, there's a good chance I'm gonna miss something that I'm looking for.
Kind of reminds me of when Neil Armstrong was about to land on the moon (July 1969) and the computer said "Ooops - Error 1260!!!" and everyone at Cape Canaveral had to scramble to dig out the bound hard copies of the lines of code, to see what the "apper" had written for the lunar descent. Armstrong of course switched to MANUAL OVERRIDE.
You can still see the Apollo 11 "apper" guy on Youtube... I love how he still keeps an index card system (as in a physical box of file cards!) beside his home computer.
...+1
...and again.
...I looked into Enterprise LSTB and the minimum is 5 node licences. I only have 2 systems on my local network so I'd be paying for three "seats" I'd never use on top of price for the core Enterprise OS.
LSTB is what 10 Pro should have been, but for a single system. Telemetry can be disabled, it's all the other rubbish bloat, "surprise ware", and periodic interruptions I want to avoid.
Can a home user even buy an Enterprise license?