OT: Windows 11 October 5th and Other Interesting News..

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  • takezo_3001takezo_3001 Posts: 2,026
    edited June 2021

    TheKD said:

    Yeah, but a lot of mobos don't support it too. I ended up grudgingly having to switch to stupid 10 from 7 because the mobo didn't support it, and the wired internet port drivers didn't work with 7. I liked 7 better because it didn't have a bunch of crap I don't want installed and intergrated wtih the OS. I just want my OS to run the programs I tell it to, and that's all. With 7 it was easy to slim it down to barebones. With 10 there is a bunch of third party stuff to strip out the telemetry turn off updates until I tell it I want to check for them, and a lot of the crap I don't need, but it's more of a hassle.

    You know, maybe I shouldn't put too much stock in my memory as that's usually the first thing that goes... frown all I remember is that I could not install/upgrade my PC due to the hardware only supporting windows 10, so I went with the free windows 10 upgrade, and since I was building a new PC, went and bought win 10 pro on the cheap! 

    EDIT: Mobo in question: Asrock x370 taichi

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  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310

    add me to the list of people who never has had windows try to update my video card driver. I didn't have to set up anyhting for this. I didn't even realize you could set up windows to do this.

     

    Also I definitely have multiple family members who fall into the "if windows didn't force updates it would never get updated" I know this because I am the person who had to fix things for them. Windows has gotten more idiot proof and I tend to appreciate it.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,873
    edited June 2021

    TheKD said:

    Yeah, but a lot of mobos don't support it too. I ended up grudgingly having to switch to stupid 10 from 7 because the mobo didn't support it, and the wired internet port drivers didn't work with 7. I liked 7 better because it didn't have a bunch of crap I don't want installed and intergrated wtih the OS. I just want my OS to run the programs I tell it to, and that's all. With 7 it was easy to slim it down to barebones. With 10 there is a bunch of third party stuff to strip out the telemetry turn off updates until I tell it I want to check for them, and a lot of the crap I don't need, but it's more of a hassle.

    ...you and me both.  Never unsdrstood why they didn't come out with a basic version for us more experienced and power users.  Then again W8 (which W10 was built off of) was supposed to be the "one size fits all devices" OS, kind of like a "one tyre that fits everythign from an econobox to a Terex mining truck".

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  • Ghosty12Ghosty12 Posts: 2,080

    Also a bit more information on all of this Windows 10 EOL will be 2025 as said by Microsoft themselves.. With other things if you ever get a new computer system with PCI-e 4.0 and so on, you would have to go to Windows 10/11 or a Linux distro..

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 7,150
    edited June 2021

    To everyone who has told me 'You don't have to update' with the computer at work, I am sorry but that is not the case, though not entirely for Microsoft Win 10 reasons. It is Win 10 that stops us preventing update of the driver, though.

    To maintain UK 'Cyber Essentials' accreditation (which is a way of helping reassure the company's shareholders that the IT their company has paid for will be less likely to be subject to a ransomware attack [possibly a false re-assurance, but that's by-the-by])  every piece of software MUST be kept up to date with the latest patch as soon as it comes out, unless a watertight case for not doing so can be made. In writing and lodged with the external auditors prior to the annual external audit. We only have a watertight case for the nVidia driver, all other cases have been rejected as leaving potential security holes. 

    So, I am left having to re-install the driver every now & again, and having a PC where Microsoft suddely decides I need a widget to tell me the weather somewhere else in the UK and that I cannot live without being installed in the tray, and this can be done all without being asked.

    Regards,

    Richard.

     

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  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    richardandtracy said:

    To maintain UK 'Cyber Essentials' accreditation (which is a way of helping reassure the company's shareholders that the IT their company has paid for will be less likely to be subject to a ransomware attack [possibly a false re-assurance, but that's by-the-by])  every piece of software MUST be kept up to date with the latest patch as soon as it comes out,

    A typical case where IT persons that don't actually have any understanding of computers, are trying to convince higher ups that don't have any understanding of the computers, that they are doing everything right... Sigh... 

  • Kev914Kev914 Posts: 1,126

    Wasn't Windows 10 suppose to be the last major release and from then on there were only going to be incremental maintenance upgrades? That was one of the reasons they said we had to do automatic updates they said.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,264

    KevinH said:

    Wasn't Windows 10 suppose to be the last major release and from then on there were only going to be incremental maintenance upgrades? That was one of the reasons they said we had to do automatic updates they said.

    https://www.windowscentral.com/wasnt-windows-10-supposed-be-last-version-windows

  • Ghosty12Ghosty12 Posts: 2,080

    KevinH said:

    Wasn't Windows 10 suppose to be the last major release and from then on there were only going to be incremental maintenance upgrades? That was one of the reasons they said we had to do automatic updates they said.

    One of the possible reasons for the change in direction with Windows, are the new Alder Lake CPUs Intel is to release soon.. Because Intel are doing a complete redesign of their CPU's and how they work, it is said that Microsoft is working to make sure Windows will make use of Intels Alder Lake big.LITTLE core architecture.. And so we have all this talk about Windows 11, eitherway we will see on June 24th as that is supposedly the date they are going to officially announce it..

  • TheKDTheKD Posts: 2,711

    Hopefully they have ditched this BS one OS to rule them all crap, and make a version for PC, a version for smartphones/tablets. And not build a bunch of unneeded crap into the OS architecture. And allow people that wish to have control over their PC to do so. Probably hoping too much, and win11 will be sliding in the other direction though lol.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,744
    edited June 2021

    PerttiA said:

    richardandtracy said:

    To maintain UK 'Cyber Essentials' accreditation (which is a way of helping reassure the company's shareholders that the IT their company has paid for will be less likely to be subject to a ransomware attack [possibly a false re-assurance, but that's by-the-by])  every piece of software MUST be kept up to date with the latest patch as soon as it comes out,

    A typical case where IT persons that don't actually have any understanding of computers, are trying to convince higher ups that don't have any understanding of the computers, that they are doing everything right... Sigh... 

    Windows 10 has a means of downloading daily updates from them to a local computer on a lan and then other computers on that lan updating from that computer. One could easily instead manually take those updates from the computer directly exposed to the internet and put it on a 2nd lan with no exposure to the internet at all. There is really no need to expose every computer on a lan directly to the internet. 

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  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 13,258

    Taoz said:

    KevinH said:

    Wasn't Windows 10 suppose to be the last major release and from then on there were only going to be incremental maintenance upgrades? That was one of the reasons they said we had to do automatic updates they said.

    https://www.windowscentral.com/wasnt-windows-10-supposed-be-last-version-windows

    It looks like support for Windows 10 will end October 2025:  https://fortune.com/2021/06/14/microsoft-windows-10-retirement-date-2025-support/

    I wonder if the new version will be free ??? I guess we may find out on my birthday (24 June)

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    TheKD said:

    Hopefully they have ditched this BS one OS to rule them all crap, and make a version for PC, a version for smartphones/tablets. And not build a bunch of unneeded crap into the OS architecture. And allow people that wish to have control over their PC to do so. Probably hoping too much, and win11 will be sliding in the other direction though lol.

    There is a 99.9999% chance that the latter will be the direction it is going... 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,873

    ...so they finally ditched the ugly "Fisher Price™" UI.  OK, one improvement. Next....

  • Seven193Seven193 Posts: 1,144

    The concept of a simple operating system died a long time ago when they started adding all this other garbage.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,873

    ....yeah, I know. Sometimes I still miss the "old days".  It's like everything these days needs to have a thousand bells & whistles.  I still remember when cars were fairly simple, and depending on how mechanically inclined you were, you could do a fair degree of the maintenance and repairs yourself. Now even the littlest trouble requires taking it into the mechanic because of all the computerisation. 

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500
    edited June 2021

    I had a Windows update the other day and suddenly I had a new feature on my taskbar: a weather widget with news and other interests (which Microsoft assume for me). Now I like to watch sport on TV and I don't like to know the result before I watch it - in fact I go to extreme lengths to avoid seeing those results. Yet there on my taskbar is a section listing sporting events and the latest results ... AAAARRRGGHH! Needless to say that widget has gone and will never return. Oh how I wish that there was a native Linux version of DAZ Studio.

     

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,873

    ...+1

  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 13,258

    marble said:

    I had a Windows update the other day and suddenly I had a new feature on my taskbar: a weather widget with news and other interests (which Microsoft assume for me). Now I like to watch sport on TV and I don't like to know the result before I watch it - in fact I go to extreme lengths to avoid seeing those results. Yet there on my taskbar is a section listing sporting events and the latest results ... AAAARRRGGHH! Needless to say that widget has gone and will never return. Oh how I wish that there was a native Linux version of DAZ Studio.

     

    You can turn it off. Right click on it , go to "News and Interests", select (check) "Turn Off". 

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    Charlie Judge said:

    marble said:

    I had a Windows update the other day and suddenly I had a new feature on my taskbar: a weather widget with news and other interests (which Microsoft assume for me). Now I like to watch sport on TV and I don't like to know the result before I watch it - in fact I go to extreme lengths to avoid seeing those results. Yet there on my taskbar is a section listing sporting events and the latest results ... AAAARRRGGHH! Needless to say that widget has gone and will never return. Oh how I wish that there was a native Linux version of DAZ Studio.

     

    You can turn it off. Right click on it , go to "News and Interests", select (check) "Turn Off". 

    As I said:

    Needless to say that widget has gone and will never return. 

     The first thing I did when I saw it was search how to switch it off. Looks like the new Windows 11 might have more of this kind of "we know what you need and you will have it, like it or not" content. 

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 7,150

    Charlie Judge said:

    marble said:

    ...

    You can turn it off. Right click on it , go to "News and Interests", select (check) "Turn Off". 

    I can see that, but I shouldn't need to. It shouldn't appear in the first place without permission. 

  • alexhcowleyalexhcowley Posts: 2,403

    Seven193 said:

    The concept of a simple operating system died a long time ago when they started adding all this other garbage.

    As an almost forty year veteran of commercial computing, I  agree. Microsoft should be looking at ways of making Windows simpler. (Bring back the Windows 2000 interface!) Instead they keeping adding fussy bits and making it more complicated. A user interface that's as stable as Norman  Bates is a pain in the posterior. 

    Cheers,

    Alex. 

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,119

    you can remove the ones you don't want, I only kept the weather and news one

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,556

    to be honest I regeret upgrading some of my computers and wish left them at windows 7 and 8. My main computer has windows 10 professional which is all good but as said wish didn't upgrade the others too as have a lot of programs and games can no longer run and I would have been fine them being off line so could still run those programs and games. If we get free upgrade again hopefully it'll be backwards compatible to run that old stuff too, another thing is I use norton antivirus but think there's a problem for few years now where certain parts wont run/access to I'm not the only one either, but despite this I still buy each year for other reasons. Oh another thing every time there is an update orclose to one it high jacks my computer making it play up till I update including affecting daz studio so hopefully 11 behaves

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,101

    j cade said:

    add me to the list of people who never has had windows try to update my video card driver. I didn't have to set up anyhting for this. I didn't even realize you could set up windows to do this.

     

    Also I definitely have multiple family members who fall into the "if windows didn't force updates it would never get updated" I know this because I am the person who had to fix things for them. Windows has gotten more idiot proof and I tend to appreciate it.

    +1yes 

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,264

    LeatherGryphon said:

    j cade said:

    add me to the list of people who never has had windows try to update my video card driver. I didn't have to set up anyhting for this. I didn't even realize you could set up windows to do this.

     

    Also I definitely have multiple family members who fall into the "if windows didn't force updates it would never get updated" I know this because I am the person who had to fix things for them. Windows has gotten more idiot proof and I tend to appreciate it.

    +1yes 

    +2

    Considering MS has to try to make 1.5 billion Windows users with all their different preferences happy as well as reasonably secure, I think they're doing a pretty good job. 

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,744

    I would of been happy to leave the News/Weather widget that added to Windows 10 on but there was no way to turn off the news and only have the weather. I'm not a fan of having news pushed to me via products to claim to be something else. Microsoft pulls that stunt. Apple pulls that stunt. Google pulls that stunt. Facebook pulls that stunt. Enough is enough, those businesses only push me to use their products less since they started sneaking in their proxy preaching.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,873

    alexhcowley said:

    Seven193 said:

    The concept of a simple operating system died a long time ago when they started adding all this other garbage.

    As an almost forty year veteran of commercial computing, I  agree. Microsoft should be looking at ways of making Windows simpler. (Bring back the Windows 2000 interface!) Instead they keeping adding fussy bits and making it more complicated. A user interface that's as stable as Norman  Bates is a pain in the posterior. 

    Cheers,

    Alex. 

    ...indeed.  "Pro" should be truly "professional" and allow experienced/power users to handle maintaining our systems and security ourselves as well as forego all the fluff we don't need or want from the get go.  I had no issue with handling security duties on my systems since Xp.  W7 has been rock solid for me for years with no instabilities, not even BSODs (the latter ceasing once I stopped letting MS load driver updates and went directly to the source vendor). 

    I don't need to be spoon fed or have my hand held while crossing the street. and I don't need a bunch of useless rubbish cluttering my desktop and system up that I have to keep rooting out from initial install to after every subsequent update. That stuff should be "after market".

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    you can remove the ones you don't want, I only kept the weather and news one

    Here's the thing these days: my phone tells me the time and the weather without me having to go into an app. My iPad does the same. My old Macbook Air can too. My Smart TV can do similar. When I boot my desktop, I don't want it to be yet another "World at your Fingertips" device. I have more than enough of those. I want less clutter so that I can concentrate on the things I bought the damn PC for.

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