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NFT''s - again? You ARE kidding, aren't you?

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  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 3,773
    May 2021 edited May 2021

    BlueFingers said:

    SnowSultan said:

    OK, I think some of you are really stretching by saying they're exploiting hate crimes against Asians for monetary gain and whatnot. None of us like NFTs, but if you needed any Asian-themed content that happens to be in this bundle, at least some of the money is going to a charity to help this serious problem. 

    Pacific nations are being threatend by climate change because of sea level rise, Kiribati already has evacuation plans. So selling NFTs to combat hate agains Asians and Pacific Islanders to me does not make sense at all. If Daz really wanted to be on the right side of both issues, they could stop selling NFTs and donate the money directly they would have made on those NFTs.

     

    Agreed, I would have preferred that DAZ said something like the first $2000 in sales of the bundle would go to the charity, then 50% of all additional sales of the bundle would also go to charity. No NFT at all.

     

    Caleb: That is so ludicrous that I actually laughed. But no, it's not close to being the same thing. If two pizza places had decent pizza but one said they were giving 50% of their sales to a charity, I'd probably get the pizza there. I don't see it as being underhanded to tie charity donations to a sale if it results in more good being done.

    Post edited by SnowSultan on May 2021
  • robertswwwrobertswww Posts: 798
    May 2021

    Personally, I think the new AAPI Bundle is a great bundle set with some good products and bringing more awareness to stop AAPI hate crimes is a worthy endeavor.  I think the Daz Marketing Department is really good at coming up with new sales promotions, discounts and deals.  They are in the business to make money after all, and I really like that they are donating half of the proceeds to the charity.

    As far as NFTs go… they are continuing to get more and more mainstream news coverage, and many artists are experimenting with art for this new marketplace.  If it wasn’t for the damaging effects on the environment from the crypto-miners, and the shortage of GPUs do to mining, then I think NFTs would be accepted by more people.

    At least nVidia is starting to do something about it.  Their latest GeForce RTX cards will have a LHR (Lite Hash Rate) identifying marking to indicate reduced performance for mining.  And nVidia is releasing a new line of cards that are aimed at mining, and not graphics.

    https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/18/22441847/nvidia-rtx-3080-3070-ethereum-mining-drivers-limit-cryptocurrency

    https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/cmp/

  • AriphaosAriphaos Posts: 66
    May 2021

    I closed off my normal routine of big purchases when the NFTs started, but still was making use of my PC coupons.

    Anyway, I've let Daz know my position, and have asked for a refund of my last purchase. It isn't much, but at least they'll be aware of my opinion.

  • jjmainorjjmainor Posts: 493
    May 2021

    What I don't understand, and maybe I'm wrong, the first round of NFTs had unlockable content attached to them.  Wether you think it's overpriced or nothing, at least you got something you could use in DS if you bought one.  This one doesn't look like it has anything unlockable.  It's just the image you see.  And it only looks like they're minting one.  So basically the charitable donation depends on mulitple buyers fighting and bidding up the price instead of going for mass appeal by putting out multiple copies a lot of people could buy...sell it as a charitable donation, and you might get a bunch of people throwing $5 or $10 to buy one just to support the charity (actually, it would cost them more with the gas fees).

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,597
    May 2021

    BlueFingers said:

    SnowSultan said:

    OK, I think some of you are really stretching by saying they're exploiting hate crimes against Asians for monetary gain and whatnot. None of us like NFTs, but if you needed any Asian-themed content that happens to be in this bundle, at least some of the money is going to a charity to help this serious problem. 

    Pacific nations are being threatend by climate change because of sea level rise, Kiribati already has evacuation plans. So selling NFTs to combat hate agains Asians and Pacific Islanders to me does not make sense at all. If Daz really wanted to be on the right side of both issues, they could stop selling NFTs and donate the money directly they would have made on those NFTs.

    We could stop climate change dead in its tracks, and that wouldn't do a thing to address hate crimes again AAPI individuals, because they're wholly unrelated problems.

  • AHArtAHArt Posts: 202
    May 2021

    Were any of the last round of NFT's sold? The whole crypto thing confuses me (how do you mine something that doesn't exsist?). Also how are NFT's driving up the prices of GPU's? (Not being sarcastic or anything just seriously have no clue)

  • AlmightyQUESTAlmightyQUEST Posts: 2,006
    May 2021
    Short version, mining requires a lot of processer power, the more you have the more you can do, making high end GPUs desirable to people doing mining. The more money they make, the more supply they can buy up to use to make more money.
  • AHArtAHArt Posts: 202
    May 2021

    AlmightyQUEST said:

    Short version, mining requires a lot of processer power, the more you have the more you can do, making high end GPUs desirable to people doing mining. The more money they make, the more supply they can buy up to use to make more money.

    Ok that makes sense but is there really a market? Like who is buying these NFT's? 

  • AlmightyQUESTAlmightyQUEST Posts: 2,006
    May 2021
    To avoid discussing any individuals (and therefore risk being appropriately removed based on TOS), I will just say the next time you're reading about an NFT success story, someone who has made a lot of money, pay attention to how much money they already had before they started selling NFTs. Someone who already has, say, connections to NBA stars who want to buy NFTs from them after they sold art to them before, is not the same as a hobbyist putting their work out on an online market. Making tens of millions of dollars is a lot easier when you started out with millions of dollars.
  • AHArtAHArt Posts: 202
    May 2021

    I think I will just stick with the way I have been selling my digital art. Printing, framing and selling it through an art gallery 

  • AlmightyQUESTAlmightyQUEST Posts: 2,006
    May 2021
    AHutchins Art said:

    AlmightyQUEST said:

    Short version, mining requires a lot of processer power, the more you have the more you can do, making high end GPUs desirable to people doing mining. The more money they make, the more supply they can buy up to use to make more money.

    Ok that makes sense but is there really a market? Like who is buying these NFT's? 

    Basically, people looking to spend money now, and sell them for more money later. There seems to be a big market, the same one that does stock speculations, short sells, etc.
  • SeraSera Posts: 1,675
    May 2021

    NFTs cost money to make and transfer. I have checked Daz's Opensea and Wax accounts for activity and there is barely anything being sold. IIRC many were actually trashed. So I would be surprised to hear that they are making a profit from this. Add to that how unpopular they are in the forums, and the environmental impact, and I'm not sure why they are still at it.

    I also have to agree with Blue Fingers on the point that trashing the environment to stop hate crimes makes no sense. They might be very different problems, but both have a huge impact. What if someone offered to fix your window by tearing down a door? You'd think they were crazy.

  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 3,773
    May 2021 edited May 2021

    AHutchins Art said:

    I think I will just stick with the way I have been selling my digital art. Printing, framing and selling it through an art gallery 

     

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    Post edited by SnowSultan on May 2021
  • jjmainorjjmainor Posts: 493
    May 2021

    AHutchins Art said:

    AlmightyQUEST said:

    Short version, mining requires a lot of processer power, the more you have the more you can do, making high end GPUs desirable to people doing mining. The more money they make, the more supply they can buy up to use to make more money.

    Ok that makes sense but is there really a market? Like who is buying these NFT's? 

    It's not just NFTs.  There is so much money in crypto currency, you have businesses springing up just to mine the tokens and sell them.  They set up their operation in a warehouse-sized structure (sometimes multiple warehouse-sized structures), and they fill the space with the equipment it takes to run the calculations needed to create those strings of blockchain.  And they're buying top-of-the line everything to get as much power out of their computers as they can - chips, graphic cards, hard drives, you name it.  The crypto miners are driving the shortages because they're scooping up all this computer equipment, and with the price of crypto, they can afford to pay whatever it takes to get that stuff.  I think someone posted an article somewhere here about a company that bought an entire power plant just to run their crypto mining operation, and they thought nothing about spending $65 million to upgrade it.

     

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/05/private-equity-firm-revives-zombie-fossil-fuel-power-plant-to-mine-bitcoin/

  • AHArtAHArt Posts: 202
    May 2021

    jjmainor said:

    AHutchins Art said:

    AlmightyQUEST said:

    Short version, mining requires a lot of processer power, the more you have the more you can do, making high end GPUs desirable to people doing mining. The more money they make, the more supply they can buy up to use to make more money.

    Ok that makes sense but is there really a market? Like who is buying these NFT's? 

    It's not just NFTs.  There is so much money in crypto currency, you have businesses springing up just to mine the tokens and sell them.  They set up their operation in a warehouse-sized structure (sometimes multiple warehouse-sized structures), and they fill the space with the equipment it takes to run the calculations needed to create those strings of blockchain.  And they're buying top-of-the line everything to get as much power out of their computers as they can - chips, graphic cards, hard drives, you name it.  The crypto miners are driving the shortages because they're scooping up all this computer equipment, and with the price of crypto, they can afford to pay whatever it takes to get that stuff.  I think someone posted an article somewhere here about a company that bought an entire power plant just to run their crypto mining operation, and they thought nothing about spending $65 million to upgrade it.

     

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/05/private-equity-firm-revives-zombie-fossil-fuel-power-plant-to-mine-bitcoin/

    surprise 

  • AlmightyQUESTAlmightyQUEST Posts: 2,006
    May 2021
    Yeah, I realized a few minutes later I should have clarified, crypto is driving the GPU issues, NFT market uses crypto but isn't the only thing using crypto.
  • IppotamusIppotamus Posts: 1,580
    May 2021

    I can not stand this iteration of DAZ.

    Such trash.

  • fred9803fred9803 Posts: 1,565
    May 2021 edited May 2021

    Well you have to admire their persistsence...............

    Post edited by fred9803 on May 2021
  • CHWTCHWT Posts: 1,186
    May 2021
    robertswww said:

    Personally, I think the new AAPI Bundle is a great bundle set with some good products and bringing more awareness to stop AAPI hate crimes is a worthy endeavor.  I think the Daz Marketing Department is really good at coming up with new sales promotions, discounts and deals.  They are in the business to make money after all, and I really like that they are donating half of the proceeds to the charity.

    As far as NFTs go… they are continuing to get more and more mainstream news coverage, and many artists are experimenting with art for this new marketplace.  If it wasn’t for the damaging effects on the environment from the crypto-miners, and the shortage of GPUs do to mining, then I think NFTs would be accepted by more people.

    At least nVidia is starting to do something about it.  Their latest GeForce RTX cards will have a LHR (Lite Hash Rate) identifying marking to indicate reduced performance for mining.  And nVidia is releasing a new line of cards that are aimed at mining, and not graphics.

    https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/18/22441847/nvidia-rtx-3080-3070-ethereum-mining-drivers-limit-cryptocurrency

    https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/cmp/

    If this bundle was released earlier it would be less questionable, as we all know this is NOT an new social issue. And there is only one new product in this bundle makes it even more questionable. I choose to believe the intention behind this bundle is good though......
  • ChaosophiaChaosophia Posts: 137
    May 2021

    Ok, I am not saying I do or don't support Daz by buying here, I am just saying separate the NFT crap from the product stuff. I am only interested in the 3d aspects of content for Studio. Now when I wrote the initial msg. I got a mail alert for a new bundle, When I opened it it looked all about NFT's. I didn't see the actual 3d bundle, when I loaded up the shop page, I am just now seeing it. So naturally I assumed the whole thing was some nft crap. So my bad. But seriously, if your going to insist on trying to capitalize on this nft crap, do it on the side, and inclusive only to those who care about it. I get your all starry eyed over the chance that someone may pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for a digital "bite brother's finger" knock off nft, but I am shopping at Daz3d not DazNFT...

  • CHWTCHWT Posts: 1,186
    May 2021 edited May 2021
    CHWT said:
    robertswww said:

    Personally, I think the new AAPI Bundle is a great bundle set with some good products and bringing more awareness to stop AAPI hate crimes is a worthy endeavor.  I think the Daz Marketing Department is really good at coming up with new sales promotions, discounts and deals.  They are in the business to make money after all, and I really like that they are donating half of the proceeds to the charity.

    As far as NFTs go… they are continuing to get more and more mainstream news coverage, and many artists are experimenting with art for this new marketplace.  If it wasn’t for the damaging effects on the environment from the crypto-miners, and the shortage of GPUs do to mining, then I think NFTs would be accepted by more people.

    At least nVidia is starting to do something about it.  Their latest GeForce RTX cards will have a LHR (Lite Hash Rate) identifying marking to indicate reduced performance for mining.  And nVidia is releasing a new line of cards that are aimed at mining, and not graphics.

    https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/18/22441847/nvidia-rtx-3080-3070-ethereum-mining-drivers-limit-cryptocurrency

    https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/cmp/

    If this bundle was released earlier it would be less questionable, as we all know this is NOT a new social issue. And there is only one new product in this bundle makes it even more questionable. I choose to believe the intention behind this bundle is good though......

    EDIT: There are 2 new products, my bad. Still think this bundle is a bit questionable though.

    Post edited by CHWT on May 2021
  • cridgitcridgit Posts: 1,765
    May 2021

    marble said:

    Am I the only one who is a little uncomfortable about using a disturbing social trend of violence and hatred towards a particular community as a commercial promotion theme? Notwithstanding the fact that a percentage of the proceeds go to the relevant charity, a statement and/or donation could have been made without attempting to reap the benefits of advertising product.

    I'm with you mate. It disgusts me no end. 

  • mdingmding Posts: 1,640
    May 2021

    Honestly imho the main problem is the greed driving people to invest into cryptowhatever. Of course it would be better, if DAZ wouldn't sell NFTs but businesses and ethics usually don't work together very well... And as there are so many people completely ignoring any ethical thoughts whatsoever when it comes to making $$ without having to work for them, only restrictive politics banning this massproduction of nothing could protect us humans from ourselves. Btw I don't see myself as less greedy than those people. I believe it is a human thing we have to accept in ourselves and understand that sometimes we need laws to establish limits to our selfdestructive greed...

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    May 2021 edited May 2021

    benniewoodell said:

    Damn, I totally forgot to condemn that NFT in the survey. But the survey was quite fishy anyway; it felt more like "fishing-for-compliments" and self-praising instead of an honest approach to listening to the community.

    I actually thought it was a survey of why isn't anyone buying a lot of the stuff released lately? I've been paying attention to releases and when there's awesome stuff released that I'm sure folks are buying, I never see a flash sale, but on days when it's kind of thin, or a bundle is released to little to no fanfare, I see flash sales all day long, and I've been seeing more and more pop up so I figure they're trying to get people to buy some stuff. And also extra banners later in the day, like I believe happened with the Fred release and had flash sales on both release days. I never saw a flash sale on a pro bundle release a year ago and beyond. So when that survey came I figured they were trying to figure out what's going on. I talked a lot about quality of clothing like pants just being a cylinder and reiterated numerous times about how bad the rig is for animation and how Daz is the only program that doesn't get IK right. Had I known this NFT junk was on the horizon, I would have mentioned getting rid it but I last I looked really none of the NFTs were selling so I thought this would quietly slip away. 

    If Daz wants to know why few are buying their stuff lately, the title of this thread is one BIG clue. I could give them the second, but it would seem mean to some, tho I've alluded to it already in past posts. The lousy Q&A doesn't help either. 

    Post edited by AllenArt on May 2021
  • The Blurst of TimesThe Blurst of Times Posts: 2,410
    May 2021

    NFT is NFT... it's not value in itself. It's only a vehicle, and if the underlying thing (art) has little value, then the NFT has no value.
    Doing things to submarine the value of the art is not positive.

    dForce tube clothes crowding out higher cost conformers or proper dforce outfits? Not a positive for customer value.

    Overly conservative dress code in the store? Not a positive for selling me stuff, not a positive for selling pretty pictures to an audience that will spend money on pretty pictures.

    Make decisions that help us make art that sells, if you want us to sell stuff. NFT does not help this. It's a completely different topic.

    NFT is not how people create a business out of their work. It's doge-style gambling, like crypto. If you want customers who create business opportunities from this, NFT is exactly the opposite way to do it.

    I understand it's the hot new toy for crypto investors and doge memes, but we are here to make pretty pictures... the business side takes care of itself if we make pretty pictures.

  • fred9803fred9803 Posts: 1,565
    May 2021

    Daz Corp. has maneuvered themselves into a position of market dominance with all except Rendo being consumed (like RDNA) or driven out of the market (like Hivewire). So it's no wonder they feel able to do what they please when there's little competition to them. It's the perfect corporate strategy.

  • plasma_ringplasma_ring Posts: 1,027
    May 2021 edited May 2021

    The Blurst of Times said:

    NFT is NFT... it's not value in itself. It's only a vehicle, and if the underlying thing (art) has little value, then the NFT has no value.
    Doing things to submarine the value of the art is not positive.

    dForce tube clothes crowding out higher cost conformers or proper dforce outfits? Not a positive for customer value.

    Overly conservative dress code in the store? Not a positive for selling me stuff, not a positive for selling pretty pictures to an audience that will spend money on pretty pictures.

    Make decisions that help us make art that sells, if you want us to sell stuff. NFT does not help this. It's a completely different topic.

    NFT is not how people create a business out of their work. It's doge-style gambling, like crypto. If you want customers who create business opportunities from this, NFT is exactly the opposite way to do it.

    I understand it's the hot new toy for crypto investors and doge memes, but we are here to make pretty pictures... the business side takes care of itself if we make pretty pictures.

    I hate this entire pivot they've done. I really, really hate this. I want to support artists who are selling their work here! One of the things I loved most about this whole system was artists selling to artists. There's stuff I would be buying right now if I didn't know I was also subsidizing Daz's fascination with crypto art, which currently means that I'm lucky if someone asks me to explain why I associate with a company responsible for pushing NFTs instead of just assuming I'm into it and walking away. So right now having been super front and center about which software I use and encouraging people to check it out nonstop has worked out really well for me, lmao.

    And I can afford to change how I do art, even if it sucks for me! If I depended on income from selling assets here, no longer supporting the company would potentially be a life-changing decision. I can't speak for the PAs and I don't know how they feel about it. But I was making an effort to learn how to make assets for other people, and if I had ever gotten to a point where this was an income stream, welp. Tough choices!

    The fact that Daz either a) doesn't realize what they're associating themselves with when they boost NFTs, or b) knows what they're associating themselves with and are perfectly fine with that is where I draw a line. I recklessly assumed I was purchasing things from a 3D asset store for use in digital art, and Daz appears to want to be an asset store for easy NFT creation, so I guess that's how it goes. 

    fred9803 said:

    Daz Corp. has maneuvered themselves into a position of market dominance with all except Rendo being consumed (like RDNA) or driven out of the market (like Hivewire). So it's no wonder they feel able to do what they please when there's little competition to them. It's the perfect corporate strategy.

    They should be--and I think are--aware that the biggest risks to their relevance are Blender and Unreal (yes, even if they got an Epic grant). They are absolutely smart to not sit still on their position as the program that makes 3D art accessible, because Blender is going to eventually be just as easy to pick up and run with as Daz at a beginner level. What they needed was visibility in markets where artists would love to do renders, but the blocker for them is lack of interest in 3D modeling or no time to learn. What they decided on was, I guess, "Hey there are probably a lot of people who have never done digital art wanting to make NFTs!"

    Post edited by plasma_ring on May 2021
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,837
    May 2021 edited May 2021

    Phoenix1966 said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    On the environmental impact, I thought the NFT-generation Daz was using had switched to using a system (Wax?) that did not use proof of work.

    No. Opensea requires purchases made in Etherium. Etherium is still using Proof of Work and helping to burn down the planet. The "merge" as it is now being called when Etherium switches to Proof-of-stake was supposed to be happening about now. It hasn't yet and the projected date now says 2021/2022.

    https://ethereum.org/en/eth2/merge/ ;

    ...and ETH mining is part to blame for the shortage of, and spikes in GPUs.

    Meanwhile on the crypto front.

    A week and a half ago Paypal announced itwould be offering an investment service for crypto.

    Last week Newegg sent out an email mentioning that buyers could get special discounts if they used Dogecoin for their purchases (Dogecoin was originally started a joke).

    The one bright spot, Bitcoin has been taking a major tumble. 

     

    Post edited by kyoto kid on May 2021
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,837
    May 2021 edited May 2021

    AbyssalEros said:

    zombietaggerung said:

    I find it hilariously ironic that this has reared it's ugly head again, when in the survey that was sent out yesterday, in the "what can we do to improve" section I suggested getting rid of the NFT tab because this is not the correct market for that. Oh man. I love it when a corporation just doubles down on a terrible idea. It's hailarious.

    Damn, I totally forgot to condemn that NFT in the survey. But the survey was quite fishy anyway; it felt more like "fishing-for-compliments" and self-praising instead of an honest approach to listening to the community.
    And I was torn between laughing and crying when I read about "Special webinars and training classes" and "Exclusive content" for PC+ members. Have I missed something? The only special webinar I know of was for Season Pass owners. Training classes? Where? Exclusive content? Are they talking about the "Platinum Club Members Only" forum part and the contests they hold for their own self-promotion?

    ...I got an error that basically said "try agian later" when I attempted to submit my finished survey. Likely the offer for the coupon is over. 

    Oh, and to add, it seems my filter is still working as the latest promo email bypassed the main inbox and went right to my "penalty box" folder 

    Post edited by kyoto kid on May 2021
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,837
    May 2021

    namffuak said:

    A proper description. What Do You Actually Own If You Buy an NFT?

    As I previously stated, I will NOT pay more than $1.00 US cash for an NFT if all I get is a link to an object on a server I do not own.

    ...that could be pushing up "digital daises" a few months down the road.  

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