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Need to Upgrade my Computer whats Best for Daz Studio Please

RowanessqueRowanessque Posts: 145
in Daz Studio Discussion

So I know my question has probably been asked before, you wouldn't believe the prices they want me to pay. All I want is a computer with WIN 10 64mb [this one is 32mb she has done me a great service but everything has moved on :(] Can I shove a 64mb into this computer?

I have an Nvidia Graphics Card GeForce 9400 GT

2 GB Ram

What is the basic I need in a Graphic Card for 3 Delight,

If I wanted Iray what Graphic Card could I get away with.

How much GB Ram do I need basic.

I am just a Hobbiest, I play with Daz when the mood takes me, its not as if I am a big gamer or wanting to spend oodles of cash on the thing that sits in the corner and only gets about an hour of my time a night if its lucky.

I hope there are other kind like minded people out there who can help me find the best, the reasonable the cheapest way of upgraded without spending a fortune on it. Plus I don't like new technology, these companies reckon I need to spend at least 1000 pounds because i live in the UK. Someone wisely told me to wait until the demand decreases and the prices on computers drop is that likely to happen. I feel like I have to pat this old girl, and turn the crank in the gear shift to get her going but she has been an old friend a good friend, if she was a 64mb I wouldn't part with her.

 

Thanks for listening and understanding I am sure many people feel like this about their computers.

 

 

 

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  • wickedprince3d_fd273b40acwickedprince3d_fd273b40ac Posts: 178

    I'm sorry that nobody more knowledgeable than I has answered you yet. My limited opinion is that for best looking results you want to render with iRay not 3Delight. And from my understanding iRay is only supposed to work with nVidia cards. I'm using a 1080ti which isn't top of the line in an older 4-core computer: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3550 CPU @ 3.30GHz   3.60 GHz with 16gb ram. I myself really need to upgrade the computer. IMHO what you want for a system really depends on how much you want to do and how long you are willing to wait for renders to complete. I rarely do scenes with more than two characters and with my computer and VC they usually take less than an hour. I tend to skimp on backgrounds and use ones with few transparencies because those seem to really slow things down. I haven't used HDRI backgrounds a lot so I don't have much experience with them. Sorry if I can't give more concrete information as I'm still trying to determine what would be the best system without breaking the bank myself. In short the better your system is the more you can do faster. And a good video card is a must. My 1080ti increased my rendering speeds immensely over the nVidia 960 I was running.

  • takezo_3001takezo_3001 Posts: 2,026
    edited February 2021

    Ideally a 3090 for the valuable 24Gb Vram, at least 32Gb RAM, an 850-1000W PSU, (Depending on if you have more than 4 or more HDDs) an AMD 5th gen CPU, and a motherboard that supports it...

    But if you're on a budget, then at least a 3rd gen AMD CPU, still 32Gb RAM, a 3080 (for the 10Gb Vram, or you can wait until the rumored 20Gb variant comes out), and a 750-850W PSU, it's best to get at least an 80 Gold fully modular PSU and do not cheap out on this as the better ones go for $300 on up!

    Also, if you plan on getting a pre-built PC, then I would go for a CyberPower PC as they have a robust configure menu for various parts... Also, it is mandatory that you research every part of the PC as even if you go with a pre-built it is vital that you know, and understand what each part does, how much it costs, and just how good it is, that includes the case!

    And if you want to build your own and buy from newegg (I highly suggest that you bypass them as their customer service is crap, just go to their subreddit for more info!) or amazon; do NOT buy from sellers in the marketplace as you WILL over-pay for your parts and with the case with newegg you may just get scammed outright as newegg does not moderate their marketplace sellers!

    Sure you may hear from people here that newegg is the best and that they never had an issue, but every single company has screw-ups and it is precisely how they handle those screw-ups which determine just how reputable that company is, and newegg is at the bottom, just go to the Better Business Bureau for info on the company's reputation!

    I hope this helps and good luck!

    EDIT: Oh, something important about newegg, they are known to disable your account after purchasing from them, and you will have to file a claim with your credit card company/bank to stop the transaction/get your money back!

    Rowanessque said:

    Plus I don't like new technology, these companies reckon I need to spend at least 1000 pounds because i live in the UK. Someone wisely told me to wait until the demand decreases and the prices on computers drop is that likely to happen. I feel like I have to pat this old girl, and turn the crank in the gear shift to get her going but she has been an old friend a good friend, if she was a 64mb I wouldn't part with her.

    Sorry, I should not have skimmed your post, as this line tells me that my advice is not a good fit for you as I am the polar opposite as I love new tech, and I love the hunt for new parts, but my advice for Newegg/amazon still stands...

    Post edited by takezo_3001 on
  • onixonix Posts: 282

    If you can just shove 64 or at least 32 GB ram in your pc that would be fully enough but judging by your current configuration that you currently have 2GB probably you cant fit more than 8 GB at best unless you screwed up something in your post explaining what you have now.

     

    If you already have 32 GB that amount of ram is already adequate you just need to et a video card with at least 8GB ram

    also, you could buy a used Tesla M40 un eBay which is quite cheap if you take 12GB version.  Performance will be similar to 1080ti for fraction of the price. if you live in the US.

    Also, you could just buy used 1080Ti if you can as the best option today .

    Everything is very overpriced at this moment because of those crypto miners so it is the worst time to upgrade your PC 

     

     

     

     

  • MartirillaMartirilla Posts: 191

    Back in January the UK's leading PC Pro magazine had a group test/review, and... the Specialist Studio Supreme PC, with an 8-core Ryzen 5 5600X CPU + a RTX 2060 card, for £1,116 inc. UK sales tax, delivered.  That's your best current $1000 option.  If you can't afford that, to get good advice you will need to say how much you can afford, and what you currently have.

  • RowanessqueRowanessque Posts: 145

    Wow thank you everyone who has replied I will keep a copy of all your good advice. I am going to hang on to this one for a little while longer. I did think of putting 8GB into my computer, I think I have the card space on the main board to do that if I wanted to. I just needed to know if it could be done on this processor. I don't want to crash and burn a lot of ram or kill the CPU processor and then have to upgrade any way. I don't mind new tech per se, but.... my Uncle said he bought a new computer and it was a shell, it didn't have all the old fittings and memory card slots. Sadly I can't ask him any more about his computer or take a look at it, because he died last year and there ended my go to computer mogul for all things computer wise. Not to worry I am sure I will figure it all out, I like the idea of getting the 1080ti. let me see if I can quote all of individually if not I will just name and thank you all here.

  • RowanessqueRowanessque Posts: 145
    edited February 2021

    wickedprince3d_fd273b40ac said:

    I'm sorry that nobody more knowledgeable than I has answered you yet. My limited opinion is that for best looking results you want to render with iRay not 3Delight. And from my understanding iRay is only supposed to work with nVidia cards. 

    I am not sure if I want to render with Iray or just stick with 3Delight and upgrade for that alone.

    I'm using a 1080ti which isn't top of the line in an older 4-core computer: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3550 CPU @ 3.30GHz   3.60 GHz with 16gb ram.

    I think thats what I need a bit more Ram and the 1080ti which is probably just in my budget.

    IMHO what you want for a system really depends on how much you want to do and how long you are willing to wait for renders to complete. I rarely do scenes with more than two characters and with my computer and VC they usually take less than an hour.

    Thats what I tend to do, either render with V3 or V4 in a scene or just add the back ground later for the more graphic detailed Genesis figures which kill my computer and yes rendering takes a long time or we crash.

     

    I tend to skimp on backgrounds and use ones with few transparencies because those seem to really slow things down.

    Yes backgrounds seem to be hard on the render, what I intend to do is to render the background seperately, fit the figure into the scene, remove scene or parts of and then render with less scene less objects, then paste them back together with the render doctor or inbuilt LIE

    I haven't used HDRI backgrounds a lot so I don't have much experience with them.

    I don't use HDRI either x

    Sorry if I can't give more concrete information as I'm still trying to determine what would be the best system without breaking the bank myself. In short the better your system is the more you can do faster. And a good video card is a must. My 1080ti increased my rendering speeds immensely over the nVidia 960 I was running.

    Thats fine that was wonderful advice thank you very much.

    Post edited by Richard Haseltine on
  • RowanessqueRowanessque Posts: 145
    edited February 2021

    takezo_3001 said:

     

    And if you want to build your own and buy from newegg (I highly suggest that you bypass them as their customer service is crap, just go to their subreddit for more info!) or amazon; do NOT buy from sellers in the marketplace as you WILL over-pay for your parts and with the case with newegg you may just get scammed outright as newegg does not moderate their marketplace sellers!

    That sounds like a plan, if I can use the old board and build from that, I will have to think about it.

    I hope this helps and good luck!

    It did thank you xxx

    EDIT: Oh, something important about newegg, they are known to disable your account after purchasing from them, and you will have to file a claim with your credit card company/bank to stop the transaction/get your money back!

    Thank you for the warning .

    Post edited by Richard Haseltine on
  • RowanessqueRowanessque Posts: 145
    edited February 2021

    onix said:

    If you can just shove 64 or at least 32 GB ram in your pc that would be fully enough but judging by your current configuration that you currently have 2GB probably you cant fit more than 8 GB at best unless you screwed up something in your post explaining what you have now.

    I might be able to I will have to study the board and see what ram the CPU can take.

     

    If you already have 32 GB that amount of ram is already adequate you just need to et a video card with at least 8GB ram

    Yes but everything is demanding 64GB processor now :(

    also, you could buy a used Tesla M40 un eBay which is quite cheap if you take 12GB version.  Performance will be similar to 1080ti for fraction of the price. if you live in the US.

    That sounds like a plan thanks.

    Also, you could just buy used 1080Ti if you can as the best option today .

    Everything is very overpriced at this moment because of those crypto miners so it is the worst time to upgrade your PC 

    Yes I have been warned that everything is very expensive at the moment, I will wait for the price drop x

    Post edited by Richard Haseltine on
  • RowanessqueRowanessque Posts: 145
    edited February 2021

    Martirilla said:

    Back in January the UK's leading PC Pro magazine had a group test/review, and... the Specialist Studio Supreme PC, with an 8-core Ryzen 5 5600X CPU + a RTX 2060 card, for £1,116 inc. UK sales tax, delivered.  That's your best current $1000 option.  If you can't afford that, to get good advice you will need to say how much you can afford, and what you currently have.

    Thanks I was thinking Max £500 I didn't really want to over spend on something I only use now and again, I know I have to upgrade some day, just going to wait, but really grateful to all your advice.

    Post edited by Richard Haseltine on
  • takezo_3001takezo_3001 Posts: 2,026
    edited February 2021

    Rowanessque said:

    takezo_3001 said:

     

    And if you want to build your own and buy from newegg (I highly suggest that you bypass them as their customer service is crap, just go to their subreddit for more info!) or amazon; do NOT buy from sellers in the marketplace as you WILL over-pay for your parts and with the case with newegg you may just get scammed outright as newegg does not moderate their marketplace sellers!

    That sounds like a plan, if I can use the old board and build from that, I will have to think about it.

    I hope this helps and good luck!

    It did thank you xxx

    EDIT: Oh, something important about newegg, they are known to disable your account after purchasing from them, and you will have to file a claim with your credit card company/bank to stop the transaction/get your money back!

    Thank you for the warning .

    My pleasure, sorry if my other advice was a bit for an experienced builder, as I said I should have better read your post before getting overzealous with my recommendations, I just got into building my own (Started late at age 33 and didn't build my first PC until I was 50!) and I love it, even though I'm on a fixed income, I had to save up for nearly a year to buy my RTX 3090 GPU, but it's well worth it; so I can get a bit carried away when it comes to computers as I'm always on mine!

    Post edited by Richard Haseltine on
  • onixonix Posts: 282

     

    If you already have 32 GB that amount of ram is already adequate you just need to et a video card with at least 8GB ram

    Yes but everything is demanding 64GB processor now :(

    You must be confusing something  and probably don't know that much about computers, because there are no 64Gb processors, they are 64-bit processors 

    It is very unlikely that your CPU is 32 bit ,most likely it is also 64 bit because 32 bit is like super ancient even for your system.(32bit CPU can only use 3GB ram at most )

    To use Daz you will be totally ok with 32 GB and even less can be usable if you don't do super complex scenes.

    Just that more than 32 GB is more pleasant to use you can run more programs at once and open more web pages.

     

    also, you could buy a used Tesla M40 un eBay which is quite cheap if you take 12GB version.  Performance will be similar to 1080ti for fraction of the price. if you live in the US.

     

    That sounds like a plan thanks.

    If you will be building a new PC when prices will go down  this may be not a good idea because 1080ti is better and the price will be not that high 

    This could be a good option if you already have a somewhat adequate computer and need to make it useful for endering

     

  • onixonix Posts: 282

    onix said:

     

    If you already have 32 GB that amount of ram is already adequate you just need to et a video card with at least 8GB ram

    Yes but everything is demanding 64GB processor now :(

    You must be confusing something  and probably don't know that much about computers, because there are no 64Gb processors, they are 64-bit processors 

    It is very unlikely that your CPU is 32 bit ,most likely it is also 64 bit because 32 bit is like super ancient even for your system.(32bit CPU can only use 3GB ram at most )

    To use Daz you will be totally ok with 32 GB and even less can be usable if you don't do super complex scenes.

    Just that more than 32 GB is more pleasant to use you can run more programs at once and open more web pages.

     

    also, you could buy a used Tesla M40 un eBay which is quite cheap if you take 12GB version.  Performance will be similar to 1080ti for fraction of the price. if you live in the US.

     

    That sounds like a plan thanks.

    If you will be building a new PC when prices will go down  this may be not a good idea because 1080ti is better and the price will be not that high 

    This could be a good option if you already have a somewhat adequate computer and need to make it useful for endering

     

     

    I am usually against buying new computers in general because they are just marginally better performing than old used ones even if you pay premium and prices are way higher than nescesary.

    At this time if you live in US you could buy a very powerful used computer with more than 32 Gb ram for less than 500$ without video card  Which will be far more powerful than a new computer for a similar price.

    Unfortunately, computers are not getting that much better anymore and  it happens that 10 years old processors can still match and even outperform moderns ones.

     

  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310

    Since you might be sticking with 3delight, it might be a good idea to add that in the title or ask in a 3delight thread. there are a couple of users here on the forums who are very knowledgeable about how to best work with 3delight in ds, and they're probably going to give you the best advice. but they might not click on this thread because most similarly titled threads are about getting a machine for Iray. I think the gpu doesn't really matter for 3delight at all, but I'm definitely not an expert

     

    If you do want to get something to make rendering in Iray easier you definitely don't have to go all in with the latest and greatest. It depends on what you're rendering. If you are generally rendering 1-2 characters, you're likely to stay within 6gb for most of your renders and there are of 6gb gpus that are pretty inexpensive - there's some cost benefit analysis of course springing for something a bit nicer future proofs you more. Since it sounds like you like keeping a machine around for a while, spending a bit more theoretically means you can go longer without having to upgrade

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