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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,388
    edited January 2020

    Second test - Speed Boat with Iray materials

     https://www.daz3d.com/speed-boat

    Default Carrara Load with Iray Shaders but without PBR Shaders Shaders

    PBR Plugin with Iray Shaders

     

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    boat default 2 render iray materials.jpg
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  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,937

    I think all of Polish products are Iray. I could be mistaken. Looks great! Boat too (except the boat needs water!)!

  • Bunyip02Bunyip02 Posts: 9,226
    Diomede said:

    Second test - Speed Boat with Iray materials

     https://www.daz3d.com/speed-boat

    Default Carrara Load with Iray Shaders but without PBR Shaders Shaders

    PBR Plugin with Iray Shaders

     

    Very nice !!

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    edited January 2020

    are there any shader presets for this to get started?

    a simple clay shader?

    seeing some resources at renderman  https://renderman.pixar.com/community_resources

    Thanks

    or did i understand backwards?
    we can render our carrara scenes in renderman?
    or it brings renderman into carrara renders?

    is it feasible for animations?

    does it need high end graphic card?

    thankssmiley

     

     

     

    Post edited by Mistara on
  • 3drendero3drendero Posts: 2,029
    Some info here https://carraracafe.com/new-carrara-plug-in-pbrlightingmodel/
  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    Thanks !

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    anyone tried this plug in to make a believable dragon skin??

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,388
    Mystarra said:

    anyone tried this plug in to make a believable dragon skin??

    I dragged the DUF file to the PBR box for this dragon, but I'm not sure I did it correctly.  Wasn't really going for believable skin.  Just wanted enough contrast with the vegetation to be visible.

    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/5238001/#Comment_5238001

  • Philemo_CarraraPhilemo_Carrara Posts: 1,175
    Mystarra said:

    anyone tried this plug in to make a believable dragon skin??

     

    No, but you can try to import this https://3dtextures.me/2019/07/24/dragon-scales-001/

    Or https://3dtextures.me/2019/01/25/lizard-skin-001/

  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,937
    Philemo_Carrara said:
    Mystarra said:

    anyone tried this plug in to make a believable dragon skin??

     

    No, but you can try to import this https://3dtextures.me/2019/07/24/dragon-scales-001/

    Or https://3dtextures.me/2019/01/25/lizard-skin-001/

    ...and another option:

    1. Load into Carrara something that you have PBR files for and load them using Philemo's plugin. Adjust one of the resulting shaders to your liking and then save it to your browser as a sort of preset.
    2. Now load the dragon into a new scene and separately load in that shader you've saved. Edit > Consolidate Duplicate Shaders
    3. Now open one of the Dragon's shaders and copy the color texture map
    4. Drag the shader preset you've made earlier onto the Top level of this shader and paste the color map into the color channel, replacing the albedo or color map that was saved in there. 
    5. Hover over the file name of the color map to get the location of it, then load the remaining appropriate maps everywhere maps exist in this preset. 
  • chickenmanchickenman Posts: 1,202

    if you have shader map 4 you could take the map in and make PBR maps then save them out.

    Use the PBR import to auto matically adjust them or you can manually map them all.

    I am trying to do this for a product I found on Share CG from years ago called Hesco Bastion ( used by lots of militaries for making defenses)

    It is a little time consuming but can work really well.

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    Philemo_Carrara said:

    My test sequence starts an organic shape and a flat one in Carrara content 3 points lights preset (a difficult one for a lighting model).

    The four textures have been applied "as-is" (no tweaking)

    The textures have been downloaded from 3 sites:

     

     

    Thanks.  are sample renders using the hdr dome plug in also?

  • Bunyip02Bunyip02 Posts: 9,226
    edited January 2020
    Philemo_Carrara said:
    Mystarra said:

    anyone tried this plug in to make a believable dragon skin??

     

    No, but you can try to import this https://3dtextures.me/2019/07/24/dragon-scales-001/

    Or https://3dtextures.me/2019/01/25/lizard-skin-001/

    Texture maps added manually to head, body, & wing-arms.

     

    Dragon PBR 1.png
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    Dragon PBR 2.png
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  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    thanks.  smiley

    lovely cloud poofs too

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    Philemo_Carrara said:

    I'm not looking for a technical explanation.  I just want to know how I would use it in a Carrara workflow.  That's my frame of reference.

    And is it for Carrara, or Octane?

    It's for Carrara.

    It's fully integrated in Carrara:

    On your multi-channel shader, choose a PBR lighting model:

    It will create a new level with your multi channel as the first shader :

    Usually, PBR texture sets come with at least 4 files:

    • Albedo (or base color)
    • Glossiness or roughness map
    • normal map
    • ambient occlusion map

    Albedo

    Load in color channel of your multi channel shader

    Specular

    PBR model accepts value ranging usually from 15% to 40% depending on the material IOR.

    20% is usually a good start. Goes into the Highlight slot

    Glossiness/roughness map

    It goes into shininess slot.

    Glossiness and roughness map are two side of the same notion. a Roughess map has value 0 for very smooth and 1 for very rough. A glossiness map is just the opposite (0 for rough, 1 for smooth). So, if you have a roughness map, hust tick the "invert color" tick box in the texture map

    Ambient occlusion

    In the ambient occlusion slot of the lighting model

    And that's all for the basis.

     

    thank you.  the new iray pbr shaders are including roughness maps. 

  • chickenmanchickenman Posts: 1,202
    edited February 2021

    @Philemo_Carrara

    Would you be interested in trying to create a bridge from Carrara to Filament to provide us this new PBR render engine?

    Now tht DAZ is supporting Filament in Studio and the fact that it it is free found here https://google.github.io/filament/

    Then we would be able to utilize any of the filiment shaders with out any hassles..

    Post edited by chickenman on
  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    there is 2 subsurface channels now.  i put the map in both? not sure what to do?

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    M81 Maps pbr plugin

    glass shader on cornea
    put a metal shader on pupil
    dunno how to make moist lips

    M81 pbr.png
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    subsurf2.JPG
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  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    another attempt for moist lips.  

    m81pbr -2.png
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    try for moist lips.JPG
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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,010
    edited February 2021

    chickenman said:

    @Philemo_Carrara

    Would you be interested in trying to create a bridge from Carrara to Filament to provide us this new PBR render engine?

    Now tht DAZ is supporting Filament in Studio and the fact that it it is free found here https://google.github.io/filament/

    Then we would be able to utilize any of the filiment shaders with out any hassles..

    IMO this is pointless.

    Carrara native engine runs absolue rings around Filament which handles transmaps and shadows so badly.

    I use Filament a lot in DAZ studio because it is better than OpenGL which I used to use a lot because the alternatives IE iray and 3Delight are so incredibly slow and resource demanding on my hardware 

    but

    given the option I prefer Carrara native any day

    that said for speed and PBR Octane is my choice but obviously not affordable to everyone (including me if I didn't already own it)

    now if one was looking at integrating Cycles and Eevee I would say please go for it!

    adding I can render Carrara at less than one frame a second if transmapping and raytraced shadows is totally avoided, my only problem is my CPU gets too hot!

    Post edited by WendyLuvsCatz on
  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,010

    and I cannot emphasis this enough

    emitters, you want the look Anything Glows is your friend. its a bit of work setting it up as every light needs the exact unique model name in the object space so you need to do a lot of renaming of models

    but

    if you are prepared you can have a hundred lights using the glow surfaces of models and no other 

    ights beautifully illuminating your scene faster than actual lights, avoid facet though as that while accurate is incredibly slow, vertex good and bouding box does for any objects where the whole thing is an emitter, if yoo can forgo raytraced shadows its as fast as unlit ambient lighting

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    is there a pbr plugin for our Mac friends?

    i'se passing the word along about the plugin.  my eyes too poor barely see the time savers list.  cant tell if one is for mac.

  • BrianP21361BrianP21361 Posts: 815

    Yes. /PBRLighting_OSX64.zip

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    thank you!

  • Philemo_CarraraPhilemo_Carrara Posts: 1,175

    I share Wendy's opinion.

    So, no, I have no plan for implementing Filament as a renderer in Carrara. Being able to import Filament PBR shaders in Carrara is another matter.

    In any case, I'm not entirely happy with the current import process, so a new version of the PBR plugin is planned.

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    chickenman said:

    @Philemo_Carrara

    Would you be interested in trying to create a bridge from Carrara to Filament to provide us this new PBR render engine?

    Now tht DAZ is supporting Filament in Studio and the fact that it it is free found here https://google.github.io/filament/

    Then we would be able to utilize any of the filiment shaders with out any hassles..

    IMO this is pointless.

    Carrara native engine runs absolue rings around Filament which handles transmaps and shadows so badly.

    I use Filament a lot in DAZ studio because it is better than OpenGL which I used to use a lot because the alternatives IE iray and 3Delight are so incredibly slow and resource demanding on my hardware 

    but

    given the option I prefer Carrara native any day

    that said for speed and PBR Octane is my choice but obviously not affordable to everyone (including me if I didn't already own it)

    now if one was looking at integrating Cycles and Eevee I would say please go for it!

    adding I can render Carrara at less than one frame a second if transmapping and raytraced shadows is totally avoided, my only problem is my CPU gets too hot!

  • Philemo_CarraraPhilemo_Carrara Posts: 1,175

    Mystiarra said:

    there is 2 subsurface channels now.  i put the map in both? not sure what to do?

    No, one is for the intesity of the effect and the other is got the color. So, the greyscale one goes in the intesity (set about 15% if there is none) and the color one in the color (set andark red if there is none).

  • Philemo_CarraraPhilemo_Carrara Posts: 1,175

    Mystiarra said:

    another attempt for moist lips.  

    You could try to use the clearcoat component (set both value to 100%)

  • chickenmanchickenman Posts: 1,202

    Philemo_Carrara said:

    I share Wendy's opinion.

    So, no, I have no plan for implementing Filament as a renderer in Carrara. Being able to import Filament PBR shaders in Carrara is another matter.

    In any case, I'm not entirely happy with the current import process, so a new version of the PBR plugin is planned.

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    chickenman said:

    @Philemo_Carrara

    Would you be interested in trying to create a bridge from Carrara to Filament to provide us this new PBR render engine?

    Now tht DAZ is supporting Filament in Studio and the fact that it it is free found here https://google.github.io/filament/

    Then we would be able to utilize any of the filiment shaders with out any hassles..

    IMO this is pointless.

    Carrara native engine runs absolue rings around Filament which handles transmaps and shadows so badly.

    I use Filament a lot in DAZ studio because it is better than OpenGL which I used to use a lot because the alternatives IE iray and 3Delight are so incredibly slow and resource demanding on my hardware 

    but

    given the option I prefer Carrara native any day

    that said for speed and PBR Octane is my choice but obviously not affordable to everyone (including me if I didn't already own it)

    now if one was looking at integrating Cycles and Eevee I would say please go for it!

    adding I can render Carrara at less than one frame a second if transmapping and raytraced shadows is totally avoided, my only problem is my CPU gets too hot!

    Thank you for your thoughts, I was looking more towards the shaders anyway as they are starting to make thier way into the store.

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    i succumed to curiosity and ordered poser 11
    will be interesting to see how the cycles/superfly shaders translate to carrara.  

    i tried copy/pasting the albedo texture map to other channel,
    thinking 'open' would bring me directly to the folder to load another map.
    it doesn't.

    wouldve expected the 8.1 maps to be under the 8.1 textures folder.  isn't.  is under the 8.0 folder.
     

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    Philemo_Carrara said:

    My test sequence starts an organic shape and a flat one in Carrara content 3 points lights preset (a difficult one for a lighting model).

    The four textures have been applied "as-is" (no tweaking)

    The textures have been downloaded from 3 sites:

     

    thanks for these resource links! 

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