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  • tsaristtsarist Posts: 1,635
    Victor_B said:
    Noah LGP said:
    Why to remove these products forever ? I mean the content could be available as Freebies/Unsupported content (Store Archives)

    Daz is not an owner of this product, how it can be available as freebie? Daz sold it for 50% royalty. As I know, Renderosity removes products if they are not sold for 6 months. May be Daz has the same rules.

    So, buy it if you want it - don't wait for years.

    I think it's a matter of not having unlimited funds.

    I buy items as needed. If I have a project that needs a tractor, for example, that's when I buy the tractor.

    I don't buy it before because I didn't know I needed it.
  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,267

    Vendors remove products from stores all the time. It's going on right now as we speak. I don't like it, but I don't control it. There's nothing I can do about it. Anyway, I've accumulated well over 2000 items, and that's just from here. I've got more than enough. And I've noticed life continues after the products are gone. So, from here on out, I think it will be far better to celebrate what I've got than to worry about what's gone. angel

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,101

    if it's gone I wonder of it's fair game for someone else to model something similar inspired by it cheeky

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,267
    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    if it's gone I wonder of it's fair game for someone else to model something similar inspired by it cheeky

    I don't see why not, as long as it's not a direct copy or using stolen assets.

  • tsaristtsarist Posts: 1,635
    Noah LGP said:

    Hi,

    I discovered a lot of good stuff was deleted from internet, it's very sad to know that I missed the opportunity to purchase them (For example Cosmonaut by Uzilite).

    Why to remove these products forever ? I mean the content could be available as Freebies/Unsupported content (Store Archives).

    What is the policy of Daz about it ?

     

     

    I have said the same things you're saying now. I usually get some support & a fair amount of pushback
  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,267
    tsarist said:
    Noah LGP said:

    Hi,

    I discovered a lot of good stuff was deleted from internet, it's very sad to know that I missed the opportunity to purchase them (For example Cosmonaut by Uzilite).

    Why to remove these products forever ? I mean the content could be available as Freebies/Unsupported content (Store Archives).

    What is the policy of Daz about it ?

     

     

     

    I have said the same things you're saying now. I usually get some support & a fair amount of pushback

    Obviously, I feel your pain, both of you!

  • nemesis10nemesis10 Posts: 3,790
    Drip said:

    I always feel sad when an artist removes or destroys an old work because they feel it no longer represents their current direction or quality standards. It's as if they underestimate themselves as an artist. Art isn't a singular statement, it's an ever evolving path of progress. Old work shows how an artist grew and developed, and became whatever he or she becomes. We couldn't even remotely understand how the human race became what it is today by ignoring periods like the Greek and Roman empires, the times of colonization and slavery, the French Revolution, the First and Second World Wars, etcetera. The same applies to art. We need history to really appreciate it. Ignoring history makes it nothing more than a "nice piece".

    Ha,  you reminded me of something funny.  My sister worked for several major museums and told me about  a strange story of art being deaccessioned i.e. dropped from the collection to be sold.  It is a part of that history of art that some works are dropped to make space for new works.  It is emotional. Every parent runs into the question of how much of my toddler's artwork do I keep.  Ultimately, most of it is disgarded and, still, we survive.  Even those works that are pulled leave a record so that historical chain is maintained.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,281
    edited December 2020
    nemesis10 said:
    Drip said:

    I always feel sad when an artist removes or destroys an old work because they feel it no longer represents their current direction or quality standards. It's as if they underestimate themselves as an artist. Art isn't a singular statement, it's an ever evolving path of progress. Old work shows how an artist grew and developed, and became whatever he or she becomes. We couldn't even remotely understand how the human race became what it is today by ignoring periods like the Greek and Roman empires, the times of colonization and slavery, the French Revolution, the First and Second World Wars, etcetera. The same applies to art. We need history to really appreciate it. Ignoring history makes it nothing more than a "nice piece".

    Ha,  you reminded me of something funny.  My sister worked for several major museums and told me about  a strange story of art being deaccessioned i.e. dropped from the collection to be sold.  It is a part of that history of art that some works are dropped to make space for new works.  It is emotional. Every parent runs into the question of how much of my toddler's artwork do I keep.  Ultimately, most of it is disgarded and, still, we survive.  Even those works that are pulled leave a record so that historical chain is maintained.

    It's not just art museums that do it.  My mom's an anthropologist and has worked for a lot of museums over the years, including the Smithsonian, and there's a constant underground market going on where museums that have surplus or unexhibited item sell or trade them to open an exhibit space, acquire something else that they think will bring in more visitors, or just so that they don't have to pay the cost of storage.  I was looking at a catalog recently where I could pick up some of those fullsize animated dinosaurs for as little as a few thousand dollars and was REALLY tempted...   

    Post edited by Cybersox on
  • pjwhoopie4801218pjwhoopie4801218 Posts: 794
    edited December 2020

    Hmmm.....
    Never mind... Thought it was on

    https://www.facebook.com/uzilite/

     

    Post edited by pjwhoopie4801218 on
  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175

    Chumly said:

    Hmmm.....
    Never mind... Thought it was on

    https://www.facebook.com/uzilite/

     

    Oh no, looks like he/she had heart issues. Did they die? :'(

    Laurie

  • Noah LGPNoah LGP Posts: 2,617
    edited December 2020

    I don't think, last active on November 12, 2020

    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/profile/uzilite
    Post edited by Noah LGP on
  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,555

    over the years I've bought a few products that were heavily promoted in main promos on day one only for them to be removed some of them less than a week after release some of which reappeared on a certain other well known store

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,085

    nonesuch00 said:

    The price of his products are about the same or even more than what I pay at WalMart for a full set of clothes that I wear in the real world to put things in perspective of what's being asked in that regards to paying full price.

    Oooh... look at mister big spender... buying clothes...

    Walmart indeed... what am I Daddy Warbucks or something?
    Some of us you know, still make our clothes out of discarded potatoe sacks or steal them off of drunks sleeping in an alley.

    Paying for clothes now are we?

    What is this a royal gala? Are we having tea with the emperor of Siam? The king of Prussia? The Marques de Sade? 

    Since when are potatoe sacks and rags too low brow?

    Walmart... Pfft.

     

    (Read the above in John Cleese's voice) 

  • duckbombduckbomb Posts: 585

    I'm not a PA, and I'm not very active here, but I was VERY active on DeviantArt and offered some freebies there.

    I have received more than a few angry and hostile messages from people who either couldn't use my products the way they wanted or didn't know how, some of them even demanding some kind of compensation for their wasted time and effort.  I took those down and dealt with people complaining about their removal.

    It got to a point where I couldn't post anything without someone asking me for something else, so I deleted my entire account and manually scrapped each submission to just be done with it all, and then (you guessed it) received even MORE hate mail on a different social platform for my decision on DA.

    The point is that NOTHING is truly "free" when it gets posted online, and there's always some sort of overhead somebody is dealing with (even if it's only slander and hate mail), it takes it's toll on whoever puts their own name on it.  
     

    I have to think that there's a part of this that rings true for PAs and other content creators.  I used to like to provide freebies and solve things for other people, but I'll never make that mistake again lol

  • AscaniaAscania Posts: 1,855

    duckbomb said:

    I'm not a PA, and I'm not very active here, but I was VERY active on DeviantArt and offered some freebies there.

    I have received more than a few angry and hostile messages from people who either couldn't use my products the way they wanted or didn't know how, some of them even demanding some kind of compensation for their wasted time and effort.  I took those down and dealt with people complaining about their removal.

    It got to a point where I couldn't post anything without someone asking me for something else, so I deleted my entire account and manually scrapped each submission to just be done with it all, and then (you guessed it) received even MORE hate mail on a different social platform for my decision on DA.

    The point is that NOTHING is truly "free" when it gets posted online, and there's always some sort of overhead somebody is dealing with (even if it's only slander and hate mail), it takes it's toll on whoever puts their own name on it.  
     

    I have to think that there's a part of this that rings true for PAs and other content creators.  I used to like to provide freebies and solve things for other people, but I'll never make that mistake again lol

    Unfortunately, there is no way to beat entitlement issue out of people. You encounter them as content creator, you encounter them as artist, you even encounter them working retail or offering thing for free on Craigslist.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,729

    McGyver said:

    nonesuch00 said:

    The price of his products are about the same or even more than what I pay at WalMart for a full set of clothes that I wear in the real world to put things in perspective of what's being asked in that regards to paying full price.

    Oooh... look at mister big spender... buying clothes...

    Walmart indeed... what am I Daddy Warbucks or something?
    Some of us you know, still make our clothes out of discarded potatoe sacks or steal them off of drunks sleeping in an alley.

    Paying for clothes now are we?

    What is this a royal gala? Are we having tea with the emperor of Siam? The king of Prussia? The Marques de Sade? 

    Since when are potatoe sacks and rags too low brow?

    Walmart... Pfft.

     

    (Read the above in John Cleese's voice) 

    And those eggs taste like you laid them.

    Speaking of which, I do belong to some genealogical picture groups on FB where people submit old pictures for the members to try and help identify a range of years when they think the picture was taken and invariable the ones from Great Britian (and Europe generally) are invariable better dressed than the ones from the United States. The same holds true even today judging from my limited travels in the UK, Ireland, (and actually all of Europe); although in this modern case it's the fault of the American clothing industry and not the poverty of the Americans anymore.

  • TesseractSpaceTesseractSpace Posts: 1,582

    I messaged Uzilite about the Cosmonaut and they said they were going to do a Christmas sale in a couple weeks with it.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175

    Noah LGP said:

    I don't think, last active on November 12, 2020

    Thank goodness! :) 

  • GoggerGogger Posts: 2,493
    edited December 2020

    TesseractSpace said:

    I messaged Uzilite about the Cosmonaut and they said they were going to do a Christmas sale in a couple weeks with it.

    Not sure how I missed it before, but I'll be sitting here pressing refresh on my cart when I hear it is available until I have it in my library. Uzilite stuff was ALWAYS top notch!
    Post edited by Gogger on
  • Phoenix1966Phoenix1966 Posts: 1,840

    Uzilite's items are back in their store and on sale right now.

  • Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
    edited December 2020

    Phoenix1966 said:

    Uzilite's items are back in their store and on sale right now.

     

    Not sure if the above is referencing the Daz store or not (as I'm not sure if their whole Daz store was removed prior or not), but Cosmonaut is currently in Uzilite's gumroad store: https://gumroad.com/uzilite#LHxF

    Post edited by Lissa_xyz on
  • FenixPhoenixFenixPhoenix Posts: 3,181
    I managed to get the G3 male outfit i wanted and i snagged the cosmonaut as well!
  • Phoenix1966Phoenix1966 Posts: 1,840

    It was for their non-Daz3d store as I am afraid any links will be removed.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,281

    Phoenix1966 said:

    Uzilite's items are back in their store and on sale right now.

    Awesome.  Just went and cleaned it out. :)  

  • Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
    edited December 2020

    Phoenix1966 said:

    It was for their non-Daz3d store as I am afraid any links will be removed.

    Yea, I wasn't sure, either, but I've generally noticed that as long as the OP is looking for something specifically (in this case OP mentioned Cosmonaut) then they tend to leave external links to the item.

    Post edited by Lissa_xyz on
  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,729

    Phoenix1966 said:

    Uzilite's items are back in their store and on sale right now.

    Awesome, as I did want 3 of those outfits.

  • Noah LGPNoah LGP Posts: 2,617
    edited December 2020

    Phoenix1966 said:

    Uzilite's items are back in their store and on sale right now.

    Thank you very much for the notification, I almost missed it again.

    Post edited by Noah LGP on
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