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Great new product - Can use that one very well..

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  • watchdog79watchdog79 Posts: 1,026
    efron_24 said:

    Great new product - Can use that one very well..

    Thanks

    Which product do you mean, please?

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,533

    possibly this

    https://www.daz3d.com/amphitheatre

    To me there is just something 'off' about it, can't quite put my finger on exactly what.

  • pjwhoopie4801218pjwhoopie4801218 Posts: 794
    edited October 2020
    watchdog79 said:
    efron_24 said:

    Great new product - Can use that one very well..

    Thanks

    Which product do you mean, please?

    That often happens here (to my dissapointment)... It would be "nice' if folks pasted a link in their "Hey check out the new fuzzywizzit".  When the first post is made, it is often on Daz Store's front page.  By the time 95% of the foot traffic hits the forum though, it has long since lost its place on the store's splash page and those that follow are left to go, "Huh?"

    In this case, there doesn't seem to be a specific ancient worlds product, but a collection of items under the unbrella of "Ancient World".  And, at the time of this writing, the only thing marked "Ancient World" is a now-crowd billboard.

    But we know how accurate the Daz Store search function can be....

    Post edited by pjwhoopie4801218 on
  • Mark_e593e0a5Mark_e593e0a5 Posts: 1,602
    edited October 2020
    scorpio said:

    possibly this

    https://www.daz3d.com/amphitheatre

    To me there is just something 'off' about it, can't quite put my finger on exactly what.

    Strictly speaking, the term "amphitheatre" is used for ancient roman theatres (the ancient greek used just "theatron"). What we see here is a mixture of greek and roman (the render titled "alternate amphitheater preload" is fully roman).

    The "theatron" part (seat rows) looks very greek, while the "skene" part (the "scene", the buildings in front of the audience) looks very roman - interesting, because the romans themselves did not build such theatres. The inner part suggests that it is a half circle. It is not. If you put two "theatron" scenes together, it should result in an oval. Typical example are the Colloseum in Rome, the Arena di Verona, etc.

    For the greek part, the distance of the inner circle and the skene used to be at least twice of what we see here. A good example how greek and roman theatres differ is Syrakusa. It has a "Greek amphitheatre" and a roman one. 

    So, while the set is extremly well made, it still creates a kind of "something does not quite fit" feeling.

    Post edited by Mark_e593e0a5 on
  • mwokeemwokee Posts: 1,275
    It looks off because it looks nothing like the real thing. I've toured maybe a half dozen from the ancient Roman's, there are dozens of them still around throughout the old empire. You can Google thousands of images on the internet. Perhaps the artist was looking at a similar product and emulated that. You can say that about many of the 3D products, many of them look to be copies of copies yet all you have to do is search the internet and see what the real McCoy looks like.
  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,606
    edited October 2020

    It looks somewhat like the ampitheatre in Epidavros in Greece, which I visited many years ago. This is one of the largest surviving amphitheatres in the world. I can only speak for the seating part, as the front stage area has been pretty much completely destroyed by a combination of earthquakes and the ravages of time. The main seating was built into the surround hillside, and was thus remains largely intact.

    Here is a picture, if anyone is interested:

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    2592 x 1944 - 1M
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  • AscaniaAscania Posts: 1,855

    Also the scale looks off. It all looks too cramped. The top wall should at least have archways on top of the stairs to allow visitors access to the place. The texture for that wall is so out-of-place it isn't even funny anymore.

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,162
    edited October 2020
    Mark_e593e0a5 said:
    scorpio said:

    possibly this

    https://www.daz3d.com/amphitheatre

    To me there is just something 'off' about it, can't quite put my finger on exactly what.

    Strictly speaking, the term "amphitheatre" is used for ancient roman theatres (the ancient greek used just "theatron"). What we see here is a mixture of greek and roman (the render titled "alternate amphitheater preload" is fully roman).

    The "theatron" part (seat rows) looks very greek, while the "skene" part (the "scene", the buildings in front of the audience) looks very roman - interesting, because the romans themselves did not build such theatres. The inner part suggests that it is a half circle. It is not. If you put two "theatron" scenes together, it should result in an oval. Typical example are the Colloseum in Rome, the Arena di Verona, etc.

    For the greek part, the distance of the inner circle and the skene used to be at least twice of what we see here. A good example how greek and roman theatres differ is Syrakusa. It has a "Greek amphitheatre" and a roman one. 

    So, while the set is extremly well made, it still creates a kind of "something does not quite fit" feeling.

    Interesting and appreciated architectural history lesson.yes

    So, this product is perhaps, a fugitive from an alternate reality?enlightened  Or we should perhaps grant artistic license to the creator?yes  Or if not, then the detestable expression "It's all good." could be used to explain away the historical inaccuracies.no  Or perhaps we should just loosen our sphincters.surprise  Regardless, it seems like a quite useable and well made product. smileyyes

     

    Post edited by LeatherGryphon on
  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,162
    edited October 2020
    Havos said:

    It looks somewhat like the ampitheatre in Epidavros in Greece, which I visited many years ago. This is one of the largest surviving amphitheatres in the world. I can only speak for the seating part, as the front stage area has been pretty much completely destroyed by a combination of earthquakes and the ravages of time. The main seating was built into the surround hillside, and was thus remains largely intact.

    Here is a picture, if anyone is interested:

    Very interesting.  I look at these old theaters and wonder how many people fell to their deaths down 150 feet of steep stone stairs while going to relieve themselves or to get another skin of wine.  Did they have any sort of handrails?  Or were people back then just more surefooted?  Are the ropeless posts in this picture modern safety for only modern idiots? 

    Post edited by LeatherGryphon on
  • AscaniaAscania Posts: 1,855
    LeatherGryphon said:
    Havos said:

    It looks somewhat like the ampitheatre in Epidavros in Greece, which I visited many years ago. This is one of the largest surviving amphitheatres in the world. I can only speak for the seating part, as the front stage area has been pretty much completely destroyed by a combination of earthquakes and the ravages of time. The main seating was built into the surround hillside, and was thus remains largely intact.

    Here is a picture, if anyone is interested:

    Very interesting.  I look at these old theaters and wonder how many people fell to their deaths down 150 feet of steep stone stairs while going to relieve themselves or to get another skin of wine.  Did they have any sort of handrails?  Or were people back then just more surefooted?  Are the ropeless posts in this picture modern safety for only modern idiots? 

    Mostly there were enough other people around to stop them falling the whole 150 feet.

  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,606
    LeatherGryphon said:
    Havos said:

    It looks somewhat like the ampitheatre in Epidavros in Greece, which I visited many years ago. This is one of the largest surviving amphitheatres in the world. I can only speak for the seating part, as the front stage area has been pretty much completely destroyed by a combination of earthquakes and the ravages of time. The main seating was built into the surround hillside, and was thus remains largely intact.

    Here is a picture, if anyone is interested:

    Very interesting.  I look at these old theaters and wonder how many people fell to their deaths down 150 feet of steep stone stairs while going to relieve themselves or to get another skin of wine.  Did they have any sort of handrails?  Or were people back then just more surefooted?  Are the ropeless posts in this picture modern safety for only modern idiots? 

    I am sure the few hand rails shown are a modern addition. However I don't recall feeling unsafe as we walked up and down, so I suspect the photo is making it look steeper than it was in reality. It was certainly no where near the steepness of the stairs up the pyramids in Uxmal and Chicken Itza in Mexico, I recall feeling very uneasy as I went up and down those, many years ago. I believe tourists are no longer allowed up those pyramids, although I am not sure if that was due to safety fears.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,337

    I actually thought this thread was about the billboards going by the title

     

  • JabbaJabba Posts: 1,461
    edited October 2020

    It's a (Greek) tragedy I tell ya - but I'll manage to get some uses for the theatre... well, maybe, one day - if I remember I bought it

    Post edited by Jabba on
  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,085
    Chumly said:
    watchdog79 said:
    efron_24 said:

    Great new product - Can use that one very well..

    Thanks

    Which product do you mean, please?

    That often happens here (to my dissapointment)... It would be "nice' if folks pasted a link in their "Hey check out the new fuzzywizzit".  When the first post is made, it is often on Daz Store's front page.  By the time 95% of the foot traffic hits the forum though, it has long since lost its place on the store's splash page and those that follow are left to go, "Huh?"

    In this case, there doesn't seem to be a specific ancient worlds product, but a collection of items under the unbrella of "Ancient World".  And, at the time of this writing, the only thing marked "Ancient World" is a now-crowd billboard.

    But we know how accurate the Daz Store search function can be....

    I agree... especially after I just spent two hours trying to track down this alleged "Fuzzywizzit" only to find either it doesn't exist, it was meant as a figurative example or I'm insane and I'm hallucinating these Fuzzywizzits here...

    I'm glad someone else has broached this topic though... because we really need a new and accurate Fuzzywizzit... Perhaps the "Millennium Fuzzywizzit" or "The Fuzzywizzit 8"... hopefully with a well stocked pro bundle that includes all the many naughty bits for accurate and or "artistic" renders.

    Having an accurate Fuzzywizzit with morphs and a couple of poses would be great... the old Zygote P4 version's tentacles, wings and "appendages" look so stiff and dated now... though the stiffness was probably deliberate in some areas... nonetheless I think we need a new one.

    Who is with me on this?

    Nothing?

    Oh... yeah... I'm writing... I was wondering why there wasn't a roaring crowd...

    Anyway...

    Fuzzywizzit please.

     

     

  • AscaniaAscania Posts: 1,855

    Save Fuzzywizzit!

  • Mark_e593e0a5Mark_e593e0a5 Posts: 1,602
    Jabba said:

    It's a (Greek) tragedy I tell ya - but I'll manage to get some uses for the theatre... well, maybe, one day - if I remember I bought it

    As said, it is really well done, so I had to put it in my cart, despite the historical and architectural glitches laugh

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,337

    the amphitheater actually looks like at least one modern one I have seen in a park so good for community plays 

  • efron_24efron_24 Posts: 478

    no not the amphy theater.. the billboards with the Multi cultural group of people.

    Fantastic

  • watchdog79watchdog79 Posts: 1,026
    efron_24 said:

    no not the amphy theater.. the billboards with the Multi cultural group of people.

    Fantastic

    And that is exactly why putting a link to the product you were talking about would have been most helpful here.wink

  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 5,455
    edited October 2020

    Denver has a 'modern' amphitheatre known as 'Red Rocks'. Here is a link to an image that shows the stairs leading down to the stage area which shows no handrails either. Each 9/11 observance, local fire departments, climb those stairs in full gear, escorted by many people, to the number of steps of the towers in New York. (Tried the link, and an advertisement takes it over.) Google it instead.

    You can also Google search Red Rocks and see more.

    I am picking up both products today, the amphitheatre and the Bill Boards. I was stationed in Greece for three and a half years and shopped in Athens. You never knew when you were going to run across an old site that wasn't on the tourist maps. Lovely country, people and food. 

    Post edited by memcneil70 on
  • dawnbladedawnblade Posts: 1,723

    Here is the link to the Ancient World billboards.

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,085
    dawnblade said:

    Here is the link to the Ancient World billboards.

    Do you have one for a Fuzzywizzit?

  • dawnbladedawnblade Posts: 1,723
    McGyver said:
    dawnblade said:

    Here is the link to the Ancient World billboards.

    Do you have one for a Fuzzywizzit?

    Alas, no longer available in the Daz store. laugh

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,085
    dawnblade said:
    McGyver said:
    dawnblade said:

    Here is the link to the Ancient World billboards.

    Do you have one for a Fuzzywizzit?

    Alas, no longer available in the Daz store. laugh

    Rats... I was hoping to turn Chumly's Fuzzywizzit into the next Free Buddles or Inflatable Pony.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    McGyver said:
    dawnblade said:
    McGyver said:
    dawnblade said:

    Here is the link to the Ancient World billboards.

    Do you have one for a Fuzzywizzit?

    Alas, no longer available in the Daz store. laugh

    Rats... I was hoping to turn Chumly's Fuzzywizzit into the next Free Buddles or Inflatable Pony.

    I miss Buddles   apparently he went on holiday to Florida and decided to stay there and not come back.

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,162

    I had a whizzyfuzit once.  But I had to get rid of it because it kept ruining the carpet.

    Chohole said:
    McGyver said:
    dawnblade said:
    McGyver said:
    dawnblade said:

    Here is the link to the Ancient World billboards.

    Do you have one for a Fuzzywizzit?

    Alas, no longer available in the Daz store. laugh

    Rats... I was hoping to turn Chumly's Fuzzywizzit into the next Free Buddles or Inflatable Pony.

    I miss Buddles   apparently he went on holiday to Florida and decided to stay there and not come back.

    He went to Florida and got trapped in the quarantine.

  • Silent WinterSilent Winter Posts: 3,896
    Havos said:

    It looks somewhat like the ampitheatre in Epidavros in Greece, which I visited many years ago. This is one of the largest surviving amphitheatres in the world. I can only speak for the seating part, as the front stage area has been pretty much completely destroyed by a combination of earthquakes and the ravages of time. The main seating was built into the surround hillside, and was thus remains largely intact.

    Here is a picture, if anyone is interested:

    ^This was one of the references I used. Another was this:

    https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/ancient-amphitheatre-in-hierapolispamukkaleturkey-picture-id886382160

    And there were others too so it's based on a few different theatres rather than trying to reproduce just one.

    But yes, some 'artistic' decisions were made for the purposes of Dazifying it - it's smaller to (a) avoid the need for 8K textures (as it is, the seating alone uses 3 sets of 4K textures), and (b) to make it easier to appear populated. The wall around the back has no gap to avoid the need for more scenery behind it when rendering (people enter through the archway at the bottom).

    It's more 'historically plausible' than 'historically accurate' - I know that's not everybody's cup of tea (so apologies to those who'd prefer a more precise reproduction), but I hope some people find a good use for it (especially at the price Daz are selling it for - I think it comes down to less than $3 for PC+ members in the cart).

    :)

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,337
    Silent Winter said:
    Havos said:

    It looks somewhat like the ampitheatre in Epidavros in Greece, which I visited many years ago. This is one of the largest surviving amphitheatres in the world. I can only speak for the seating part, as the front stage area has been pretty much completely destroyed by a combination of earthquakes and the ravages of time. The main seating was built into the surround hillside, and was thus remains largely intact.

    Here is a picture, if anyone is interested:

    ^This was one of the references I used. Another was this:

    https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/ancient-amphitheatre-in-hierapolispamukkaleturkey-picture-id886382160

    And there were others too so it's based on a few different theatres rather than trying to reproduce just one.

    But yes, some 'artistic' decisions were made for the purposes of Dazifying it - it's smaller to (a) avoid the need for 8K textures (as it is, the seating alone uses 3 sets of 4K textures), and (b) to make it easier to appear populated. The wall around the back has no gap to avoid the need for more scenery behind it when rendering (people enter through the archway at the bottom).

    It's more 'historically plausible' than 'historically accurate' - I know that's not everybody's cup of tea (so apologies to those who'd prefer a more precise reproduction), but I hope some people find a good use for it (especially at the price Daz are selling it for - I think it comes down to less than $3 for PC+ members in the cart).

    :)

    forum posts and opinions mean little

    sales are what counts

    those who don't want it needn't buy it so I really didn't understand all the comments 

    there are other Amphitheaters  

  • Silent WinterSilent Winter Posts: 3,896
    WendyLuvsCatz said:
    Silent Winter said:
    Havos said:

    It looks somewhat like the ampitheatre in Epidavros in Greece, which I visited many years ago. This is one of the largest surviving amphitheatres in the world. I can only speak for the seating part, as the front stage area has been pretty much completely destroyed by a combination of earthquakes and the ravages of time. The main seating was built into the surround hillside, and was thus remains largely intact.

    Here is a picture, if anyone is interested:

    ^This was one of the references I used. Another was this:

    https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/ancient-amphitheatre-in-hierapolispamukkaleturkey-picture-id886382160

    And there were others too so it's based on a few different theatres rather than trying to reproduce just one.

    But yes, some 'artistic' decisions were made for the purposes of Dazifying it - it's smaller to (a) avoid the need for 8K textures (as it is, the seating alone uses 3 sets of 4K textures), and (b) to make it easier to appear populated. The wall around the back has no gap to avoid the need for more scenery behind it when rendering (people enter through the archway at the bottom).

    It's more 'historically plausible' than 'historically accurate' - I know that's not everybody's cup of tea (so apologies to those who'd prefer a more precise reproduction), but I hope some people find a good use for it (especially at the price Daz are selling it for - I think it comes down to less than $3 for PC+ members in the cart).

    :)

    forum posts and opinions mean little

    sales are what counts

    those who don't want it needn't buy it so I really didn't understand all the comments 

    there are other Amphitheaters  

    Sure - but it's also fair enough for people to express what they wish had been done differently as well as what they like about a product - other PAs might decide for themselves where to draw the historical accuracy line. This being a DO, I won't know how well it sold - but Daz usually have a good eye for what will be popular.

  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,606
    edited October 2020
    Silent Winter said:
    WendyLuvsCatz said:
    Silent Winter said:
    Havos said:

    It looks somewhat like the ampitheatre in Epidavros in Greece, which I visited many years ago. This is one of the largest surviving amphitheatres in the world. I can only speak for the seating part, as the front stage area has been pretty much completely destroyed by a combination of earthquakes and the ravages of time. The main seating was built into the surround hillside, and was thus remains largely intact.

    Here is a picture, if anyone is interested:

    ^This was one of the references I used. Another was this:

    https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/ancient-amphitheatre-in-hierapolispamukkaleturkey-picture-id886382160

    And there were others too so it's based on a few different theatres rather than trying to reproduce just one.

    But yes, some 'artistic' decisions were made for the purposes of Dazifying it - it's smaller to (a) avoid the need for 8K textures (as it is, the seating alone uses 3 sets of 4K textures), and (b) to make it easier to appear populated. The wall around the back has no gap to avoid the need for more scenery behind it when rendering (people enter through the archway at the bottom).

    It's more 'historically plausible' than 'historically accurate' - I know that's not everybody's cup of tea (so apologies to those who'd prefer a more precise reproduction), but I hope some people find a good use for it (especially at the price Daz are selling it for - I think it comes down to less than $3 for PC+ members in the cart).

    :)

    forum posts and opinions mean little

    sales are what counts

    those who don't want it needn't buy it so I really didn't understand all the comments 

    there are other Amphitheaters  

    Sure - but it's also fair enough for people to express what they wish had been done differently as well as what they like about a product - other PAs might decide for themselves where to draw the historical accuracy line. This being a DO, I won't know how well it sold - but Daz usually have a good eye for what will be popular.

    For me the most important thing is the "plausabilty" rather than the 100% accuracy. Given that most viewers of renders are not likely to be experts in a particular period of history, then the critical fact is that it looks to most causal observers that it "fits" the genre. My issue with many, so called historical garments are they are not remotely such. For example calling something a toga when it just a tunic or even a loin cloth. Other examples are female outfits in the pirate era consisting of thigh high leather boots and very skimpy dresses.

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