Skin Builder Pro

Jason GalterioJason Galterio Posts: 2,562
edited December 1969 in The Commons

Okay, I am trying to figure this thing out, but not following what the tutorial is saying.

"Skin Builder works by blending in different skin maps and combining them... step one, choose your main tone, and then the tone you wish to blend in."

Okay, how do you select the tones? I don't see an interface, selector or button to do the selecting?

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  • Jason GalterioJason Galterio Posts: 2,562
    edited December 1969

    Okay, hold the phone. I think I am seeing both the answer to my question and the confusion in the advertising.

    This package doesn't actually allow you to blend other skins? You can just blend within the tones that the package provides?

  • TercelTercel Posts: 101
    edited December 1969

    I'm looking at purchasing this. Can you tell me if I can use this over a character texture that I apply; the instance, for example, where I would want to give a fair-skinned blonde a slight suntan? Or are textures created from the product itself.

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,533
    edited December 1969

    Zev0 got a thread he's very good at answering queries

    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/38095/P105/

  • DZ_jaredDZ_jared Posts: 1,316
    edited December 1969

    In the Content Library Pane go to DAZ Studio Formats>Your Directory>People>Genesis 2 Female>Materials>Skin Builder and double click the !Skin Builder.dse icon. This script will launch the Skin Builder interface.

    Keep in mind that you have to gave G2F selected when you run the script.

  • Jason GalterioJason Galterio Posts: 2,562
    edited December 1969

    DAZ_jared said:
    In the Content Library Pane go to DAZ Studio Formats>Your Directory>People>Genesis 2 Female>Materials>Skin Builder and double click the !Skin Builder.dse icon. This script will launch the Skin Builder interface.

    Keep in mind that you have to gave G2F selected when you run the script.

    I did that, just under the Genesis area.

    And the script does run, but it appears that (despite advertising implying otherwise) the script only works with the textures built in the software.

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 7,121
    edited April 2014

    That is correct. It only blends in the maps from the product. Each map from the product had to be designed to work with each other (eg skin details were alligned). If you randomly mix two character texture packs, the bump mapping, specular and all those details will mismatch and you would get a blurred mess. If you want to blend in your own set, just plug the diffuse map from that set and replace it with one the script is using. It will then use the Shaders bump, normal and spec maps.

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  • Jason GalterioJason Galterio Posts: 2,562
    edited December 1969

    The product description really should explain such.

    As it is now, it implies that you can use existing textures and are not limited to just the couple within the package.

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 7,121
    edited December 1969

    Please return the product if you felt it implies other than what it is intended to do. I will see what can be done in the description to state so in an obvious manner. Apologies about any confusion.

  • Jason GalterioJason Galterio Posts: 2,562
    edited December 1969

    No apologies necessary. The product images, at least to me, implied that you could insert textures and blend them.

    It's something I already do using Photoshop so I thought this would be a vehicle to streamline that process.

  • TimbalesTimbales Posts: 2,423
    edited December 1969

    DAZ_jared said:
    In the Content Library Pane go to DAZ Studio Formats>Your Directory>People>Genesis 2 Female>Materials>Skin Builder and double click the !Skin Builder.dse icon. This script will launch the Skin Builder interface.

    Keep in mind that you have to gave G2F selected when you run the script.

    You can only use this on G2F, not V5?

  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    To be fair ZevO I thought what Legionair thought. I haven't kept up with your thread about this product but I am presuming all your other skin packages with work ok with this. Like the aging displacement maps and veins?

  • Jason GalterioJason Galterio Posts: 2,562
    edited April 2014

    Just in case it is helpful to anyone, this is what I do...

    I created a texture directory where I placed a set of very generically named textures. (Body, face, makeup, etc.)

    I applied these generic textures to Genesis and then did a material preset save. I then copied this material save so that it appears as a button in my library.

    In Photoshop (but any image editor will work) I do the modifications to the textures that I want. I save these texture files to a sub directory below that original texture directory. I use the exact same file names, but with a directory name that I recognize.

    (More on this below...)

    When I want to apply a certain custom texture, I go into the sub directory and copy those files. I then paste them into the parent directory, replacing the existing files.

    Now when I apply the material command, it applies the textures that I just copied in.

    (The below part...)

    To mix textures, I copy the two sets of textures to a temporary directory. I then open each corresponding texture (i.e. both Face textures, both Body textures, etc.).

    I layer them together and experiment until I get the desired effect. When I have the effect I like, I start over. This time saving each step as part of an action (if possible). I then apply this action to each set of images to make sure that the same changes flow through all of the sections.

    This procedure usually avoids mismatching textures and bump maps that seem out of place.

    Post edited by Jason Galterio on
  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,065
    edited December 1969

    TimG said:
    DAZ_jared said:
    In the Content Library Pane go to DAZ Studio Formats>Your Directory>People>Genesis 2 Female>Materials>Skin Builder and double click the !Skin Builder.dse icon. This script will launch the Skin Builder interface.

    Keep in mind that you have to gave G2F selected when you run the script.

    You can only use this on G2F, not V5?

    G2F or G1 with the V5 UVs available, as far as I know (and as the description says).

  • icprncssicprncss Posts: 3,694
    edited December 1969

    Genesis by default uses the V4 mapping. The product states it is for Genesis and G2F. Since G2F has a default mapping of V5, I assumed that out of the box Genesis would default to V4 mapping and G2F would default to V5 mapping. Silly me.

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 7,121
    edited April 2014

    Szark said:
    To be fair ZevO I thought what Legionair thought. I haven't kept up with your thread about this product but I am presuming all your other skin packages with work ok with this. Like the aging displacement maps and veins?

    Yes. Skin builder is compatible with "Skin Overlay for V5 and M5 Skin Sets" product. It's almost like a prequal.

    Post edited by Zev0 on
  • RuphussRuphuss Posts: 2,631
    edited December 1969

    is the tdlmake problem with LIE solved ?

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited December 1969

    ruphuss said:
    is the tdlmake problem with LIE solved ?

    AFAIK it is now fixed in the latest public beta

  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    Zev0 said:
    Szark said:
    To be fair ZevO I thought what Legionair thought. I haven't kept up with your thread about this product but I am presuming all your other skin packages with work ok with this. Like the aging displacement maps and veins?

    Yes. Skin builder is compatible with "Skin Overlay for V5 and M5 Skin Sets" product. It's almost like a prequal.Thanks I thought as much considering this is LIE too. But I had to make sure.

  • RuphussRuphuss Posts: 2,631
    edited December 1969

    would be nice if we got a hotfix for this

  • icprncssicprncss Posts: 3,694
    edited December 1969

    Shouldn't the product be for V5 and G2F since Genesis defaults to the V4 mapping? Yes, I know, you can change the Genesis mapping to V5 and the product blurb states that but it doesn't work for Genesis out of the box.

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,689
    edited December 1969

    icprncss said:
    Shouldn't the product be for V5 and G2F since Genesis defaults to the V4 mapping? Yes, I know, you can change the Genesis mapping to V5 and the product blurb states that but it doesn't work for Genesis out of the box.

    That's why V5 is a required product.

  • icprncssicprncss Posts: 3,694
    edited December 1969

    icprncss said:
    Shouldn't the product be for V5 and G2F since Genesis defaults to the V4 mapping? Yes, I know, you can change the Genesis mapping to V5 and the product blurb states that but it doesn't work for Genesis out of the box.

    That's why V5 is a required product.

    Wouldn't it be simpler to list the product for G2F since it defaults to the V5 mapping?

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,689
    edited December 1969

    icprncss said:
    icprncss said:
    Shouldn't the product be for V5 and G2F since Genesis defaults to the V4 mapping? Yes, I know, you can change the Genesis mapping to V5 and the product blurb states that but it doesn't work for Genesis out of the box.

    That's why V5 is a required product.

    Wouldn't it be simpler to list the product for G2F since it defaults to the V5 mapping?

    Then people wouldn't know it can be used on G1.

  • IceEmpressIceEmpress Posts: 639
    edited April 2014

    Okay, could you clarify this further, Zev0?

    Only the textures from your products work with Civilization? Or do diffuse and only diffuse textures from other people/characters work as well?

    Also, does this product work in DAZ Studio 4.5.1.6? Because if not, that's a deal breaker for me.

    I layer them together and experiment until I get the desired effect. When I have the effect I like, I start over. This time saving each step as part of an action (if possible).

    In other words, your technique only works for those of us with enough money for Photoshop CS? (Please don't mention the monthly subscription-- monthly subscriptions for software is a ripoff in my opinion-- after a few months you've already spent more than what the actual product costs, so you're better off just saving up money or saying "to hell with the whole thing") Although I seem to remember a tutorial that allows one to get Actions to work in Elements, it didn't work for Elements 5.0, although I also have Elements 11 now, and I've never tried it with that.

    Post edited by IceEmpress on
  • Jason GalterioJason Galterio Posts: 2,562
    edited December 1969

    opal42987 said:
    I layer them together and experiment until I get the desired effect. When I have the effect I like, I start over. This time saving each step as part of an action (if possible).

    In other words, your technique only works for those of us with enough money for Photoshop CS? (Please don't mention the monthly subscription-- monthly subscriptions for software is a ripoff in my opinion-- after a few months you've already spent more than what the actual product costs, so you're better off just saving up money or saying "to hell with the whole thing") Although I seem to remember a tutorial that allows one to get Actions to work in Elements, it didn't work for Elements 5.0, although I also have Elements 11 now, and I've never tried it with that.

    Yes, the specifics to my technique are geared towards Photoshop, since that is what I use.

    But I am pretty sure that a lot of other photo editing suites have similar functionality. I am pretty sure that GIMP has the same functionality, for example.

    I have purchased CS3, CS4 and CC (with the subscription) and I have no complaints. I have used them constantly, almost on a daily basis, as long as I have had them.

    I was also initially skeptical about the CC subscription, but found that the updates have pretty much done away with any need to pay another yearly upgrade fee.

  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    Legionair said:

    I was also initially skeptical about the CC subscription, but found that the updates have pretty much done away with any need to pay another yearly upgrade fee.

    now that is interesting info. You might have changed my mind.

  • Jason GalterioJason Galterio Posts: 2,562
    edited December 1969

    Szark said:
    Legionair said:

    I was also initially skeptical about the CC subscription, but found that the updates have pretty much done away with any need to pay another yearly upgrade fee.

    now that is interesting info. You might have changed my mind.

    The math just made sense to me at the time. And it still does in practice.

    Don't quote me on the exact numbers, since it has been months and my memory is terrible... But I think it went like this:

    I have Design Premium CS4. Upgrading this package to CS6 was going to be close to $1,000 I think. But I was really only looking to upgrade Photoshop since the other items are only occasional use (for me). Upgrading to Photoshop CS6 was going to be an outlay of $400 or $500 I think. With a very conceivable additional upgrade two years in the future.

    Photoshop CC was $10 a month. It will take at least three years before they equal out.

    And CC appears to be a product in continuous development. As opposed to CS6 which was static.

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 10,310
    edited December 1969

    Really nice product.

    Steph6sc03pic01.jpg
    1024 x 1024 - 234K
  • RuphussRuphuss Posts: 2,631
    edited December 1969

    just put a fresh V5 into the viewport
    some freckles on her with skinoverlay
    tdlmake is still not stopable
    that means optimizing images endless
    is the new product working without that issue for everyone ?

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,689
    edited December 1969

    ruphuss said:
    just put a fresh V5 into the viewport
    some freckles on her with skinoverlay
    tdlmake is still not stopable
    that means optimizing images endless
    is the new product working without that issue for everyone ?

    The Public Beta has the fix for the tdlmake problem.

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