Why the Weird Marketing Words?
Fauvist
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So many times DAZ3D loses a sale because of this.
It's REALLY hard to find Published Artists and content I'm looking for on this site. Why do so many Published Artists choose impossible to pronounce, and impossible to spell, and impossible to remember vendor names? I could give many many examples. If I can't find you, I can't buy your products. Contrast this with company names like Apple, Home Depot, Amazon, and General Motors. Seriously, how are we supposed to search for words that seem to be nothing more than a random jumble of letters? Add to this the fact that "spell checkers" further mix things up.
If you're selling a model of a coat, have the word "coat" somewhere in the product name. The closer the name of the product is to a description of the product, the more likely it is that the product will show up in a keyword search.
A purely hypothetical example is a vendor choosing the vendor name "ravlechaelv F. Q. H.", and naming a model of a dress "Petite Homage III".
It also makes it next to impossible to find the product in your content, once it's installed on your computer.
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Have you been shopping at Daz long?
Most products also have tags, which search will pick up as well as the literal name.
To be fair, Apple and Amazon are both names that have nothing to do with the products they sell, and there are only so many "basic" names one can come up with before you have to start recycling and recombining. That said, you're correct in pointing out that the DAZ store is a mess when it comes to finding anything. One might assume that the majority of the marketing people who work for DAZ either have little to no experience with DAZ Studio or 3D in general, or have never tried actually buying anything here, but a major part of the issue is that most stores... both on the web and in real life... DON'T really want you to find what you need quickly and easily. They want you to poke around long enough that you might find something else to buy. That's why COSTCO puts their their top-selling$4.99 rotiserrie chickens at the very back of the store https://wtop.com/business-finance/2019/10/its-only-4-99-but-costcos-rotisserie-chicken-comes-at-a-huge-price/ for example. And why doing a search on DAZ gives you dozens of products, most of which are only barely related to what you input.
I'm sure a PA (Mousso I think?) kindly explained in another thread here that each Daz product has to have a unique name, so if you create a character called Jane but before you get them to release stage another PA releases a character called Jane, you'll have to change the name... that's why you see a lot of characters with unusual name spellings ("Jaiyne") or with the vendor's initials/abbreviation in the title, like today's new release RY Felina by Raiya.
That's just a bit of context, perhaps, as to why these unsuaul names occur. What I'd really like to say is thank you because "Petite Homage III" gave me the best chuckle I've had all day haha! Brilliant!
I have to agree. I do know that products have hidden tags that help in the search, but there are errors that makes things difficult. As a practical example a couple weeks ago i saw in a render a nice hoverbike that i was not familiar with. I went to the store and typed hoverbike, not there. Typed bike, not there. Asked about it and it turns out it was StoneMason SkyBike2: https://www.daz3d.com/skybike2
How come not bike, nor hoverbike can include that in the results. What is worst, now that i know the artist i tried that filter after searching bike and this is the only item that shows:
https://www.daz3d.com/sci-fi-interior-2015
Yes, i know its a related setting, but in that one the bike do not apear in a single render. And bike is part of the name of the intended product, so even bad tags (can happen) as in this case should not prevent a partial word positive result.
Now, that is a problem in the store. Inside DAZ there are bigger issues related to "strange" spelling. Search inside daz is also not good with partials so remembering the specific names is a real problem. I think using some initials at the begining of the name is a good solution so product name is unique, but not all PAs do this.
I empathise with your plight, but I have found that the kind people of these forums have not yet failed to deliver quickly---armed with nothing but the idiosyncratic description I provided---the name/info of any product I was seeking. This is a search function that works quite well. This store requires that you learn it. It used to be easier. Nowadays I would suggest going through the vendor store list one-by-one to familiarise yourself with what is available. Who's got time for that? OK.
Regarding strange names: You offered only huge corporations as an example of what would be better. (Mind you, Apple had to get provisional permission from the Beatles to use that name). A name is a powerful thing, and artists choose their names for highly personal reasons (or just because their first 5 choices weren't available), but there are not so many Daz PAs (yet) that I cannot get to whom/what I seek using the daz3d site. I want my art elements made by artists, not by corporations, suits, or bean counters who see art as merely a means to a monetary end. Consequently, I have to deal with a broad spectrum rather than a limited perspective. I, personally, prefer as many viewpoints (and the sometimes confusing babble that accompanies them) over a monolithic, grey (but starkly intelligible) eye.
I do wish that PC+ item pages were required to provide links of all their texture add-ons extant in the store, especially since the names for the PC+ add-on textures rarely contain the name of their required product, and using the main product's name for searches frequently misses one or more of the add-ons. But, hey, this is what we've got.
I do wish naming of texture addons were better. So if you have "Amazing Fashion Dress", the addon should be "Amazing Fashion Dress TEX 1" That's how I used to rename everything in Poser but I'm afraid to rename things in DS.
Isn't that mostly an issue with older items?
I guess it's getting better but for example there's Aki Tribe Scout for Genesis 8 Female(s) and then Adventures for Aki Tribe Scout which at least mentions the product but would be better if it was "Aki Tribe Scout Adventure Textures." And dForce Gown of Fantasy 1 for Genesis 8 Female(s) with Texture Expansion for Gown of Fantasy 1 where "dForce Gown of Fantasy 1 Texture Expansion" would be better. These are two new ones which aren't terrible, but could be better if alphabetical for ease of use while using DS. Going back further there are a lot worse ones which I'm too lazy to check now...
The only ones that are a bit weird to me are ones like "Draping cat fantasy for Genesis 8 female" with unclear promo images.
Which doesn't tell you if it's a pose, or dress, or character or cutlery set, or walking tank or whatever without going to the products page.
It would be nice if naming like clothing always using a garment name ("draping cat dress for genesis 8 male") and characters used characters (or if there were content type filters
) etc.
If it is any consolation, it is no better in the art world. I was having a discussion about the Brazilian Blanqueamiento and I suddenly realize I couldn't remember the name of Modesto Brocos' Redemption of Ham. How do you look it up? Brazillan painting? Racist painting? Brazillian racist painting? Actually, the last one worked but artwork names aren'nt standardized either.
I can't tell if there's higher curve of user complaints or it's very vocal, small goup.
Nit-picking can be funny- and even fun to join in on.....
There has always been a learning...and working hurdle to get into 3D- and stores in general.
Every day there's like ten new products hitting the store - that's somewhere around 3,000 products a year.
Is a failed search that common? That it makes customers give up buying stuff and daz loses (a significant amount of) sales.....?
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So after a forum-thread- nobody knew what it was and it was all the fault of the product's name and bad tags?
This is a thing?
I spent a long time searching for a bridge....ruined, broken, damaged, discarded, abandoned, dystopian, aged....post-apocalytpic....
I tried DzFire...Stonemason......TheAntfarm.....even Zeddicus cause maybe there was a hot chick leaning against the rubble.
If I even remember- it was an 'overpass' or underpass(?) and maybe the word forgotten....
That rough a search is a rare thing.....
It just seems like this forum is becoming complaint central and not the nice customer feedback kind, but the everyone at Daz is [insert some rude stuff].
Ask for change- suggest real world solutions....
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Like maybe there could be a user-fed and maintained tag system that uses adjectives or descriptors{sp?)
Like "strapless" "3 piece" or a list among "bikes" and "hover" Future" Scifi" could be one of the choices....something to add on....so you'd have exercise bike or real world bike....
Even if it was forum-powered and (certain) registered users could add tags....and or a new set of semi-mods....
@Griffin_Avid Under the Overpass, but when I searched for it, I got:
Nice.
I also went crazy- thinking I was insane when I SWORE there was a platform with that skybike on it.
And although I found it, my brain kept saying "This isn't it" .
I thought maybe I confused a gallery image with a promo shot. Turns out I wasn't crazy and there are two similar products in the store.
https://www.daz3d.com/skydock
and https://www.daz3d.com/skydeck
You ever seen this part below a product? And it usually links to the textures or bundle...?
Maybe a closer "Similar items in the store" .....that could work....
*And yes, I just spent TOOOO long looking for those two items.
I never would have guessed (today) that they are BOTH by Stonemason.
The tagging/cathegorising in the DAZ store could be a lot better but I understand that it'd be a significant effort to re-cathegorise such a large database.
Try to see it as a fun 2nd hand store where finding treasures amidst all the junk is part of the fun?
But that "2nd hand store to search through" we have every day with the "featured artist" sales... go through all the items, to see which one might be extremely worth to buy ^^
Not being able to find items when using the shop's search option just reduces the number of customers finding what they were looking for and therefor the amount of money an artist will get from selling his stuff, as it isn't selling when nobody is able to find it....
FWIW, to me the issue isn't product naming per se, it seems to be a combination of a limited, rudimentaryt search engine in the store, and limited tagging of products by PAs or DAZ staff or whoever performs that function. I also suspect that Google has spoiled a lot of us.
I hope that this terrible 3D-name hype will soon be over. Meanwhile there are hundreds of artists who add '3D' or '3d' to their artist name, or put '3D/3d' in front of it. Why? After all, we know pretty well that this is a shop for 3D models - we don't need to be made aware of that by any vendor's name. In any case, I wouldn't expect to be offered car tires in this shop or any other shop of this genre. Besides, I always forget where the artist placed his/her '3D' (or was it '3d'?). In front of or behind the name?
Apparently you need to enclose the name in double quotes if it contains multiple words:
I wouldn't expect to be offered car tires in this shop or any other shop of this genre.
I apologize, but I could not help myself.
https://www.daz3d.com/z-hot-wheels--props-and-poses-for-genesis-3-and-8-female
https://www.daz3d.com/automotive-supplies
And I must say this shader is the STUFFs. Almost passed on it, but I;m almost throwing it on everything.
https://www.daz3d.com/rubber--iray-shaders
That's probably for SEO so people not in the DAZ store who do a google search could find them.
There are a number of product descriptions for items here that have weird SEO phrases, a couple of years ago that was all the rage. Some of them are pretty funny.
About that. Some people were doing 3D before they became PAs. They just kept using the tags they'd been using on other general purpose platforms where they identified with their hobby, occupation, whatever. Of all the things to get worked up about.
No, no, actually there hasn't. For all it's other quirks, Renderosity's search system is vastly superior to DAZ's and always has been. More to the point, go to any stock photo site and type in a few keywords and you get results that exactly match what you said. Type Man with cat and you get tons of shot of one or more men with one or more cats. Type in cat in hat and you get a bunch of shots of cats with hats. Type in man with cat in hat and you get bunch of shots of a man with a cat, either or both of whom may be wearing a hat. And the number of assets that those sites are dealing with dwarfs DAZ. Meanwhile, in this store, if you type Castle, the search results that you get back don't even include all of the 40+ items in the system that actually have Castle in the name (a number that I'm sure of since I have 43 products in my store library right now that include the word castle in the name.) What you DO get, among other things, is: a shanty town, a stack of rocks, a dozen different clothing outfits, a texture set for the Precious dragon, a set of pig-tailed hair, the antoinette bust set, a morph set for Chip, a couple of men's hair sets, several male and female characters, and... I could go on but do you know what didn't come up? Well, not Predatron's Blenworth, for one, which only comes up under a search for Palace, but also not a single one of the other products that have Palace in the name. So the store couldn't even match a word that's often used as a synonym, yet prompted a bunch of stuff that is only barely related to castles (if at all) in order to fill the requirement to fnd products to promote in other categories. That's totally messed up.
Don't forget there are a ton of words we search for that are simply brandnames or brand-related terms vendors simply can't use. Hence no lightsabers, but light swords, Raven Guild Asssasin instead of AC..
shopping at the daz store forces your your brain to develop new neural pathways.
you might as well enjoy it. it's good for you!
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I think DAZ shop search is like the button for pedestrians at busy traffic lights of the close door button on lifts
You win the prize of the century - because BLENWORTH was the product that frustrated me so much that it caused me to start this thread.
well at least it is always a good brainteaser to thesaur for the right words to search for
I admit I made up the verb "to thesaur", not sure if there is a verb coming along with thesaurus
I think the thesaur was a snack for tyranosaurus rex and it had feathers
prolly tastes like chicken
you know in German there is the verb "thesaurieren" ... (it probably means the digestion of feathered tyranosaurus snacks)