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Inaccurate to Promo Poses- Shimuzu Poses for Aiko 5

Mr BowenMr Bowen Posts: 404
edited February 2014 in The Commons

What is up with these poses? They are not too accurate to the promos. With number 6, the eye direction is reversed. Others seem kind of off. There aren't previews of all of them, either. Will these be fixed anytime soon? If not, I am just going to return them. I am kinda miffed. Here are more examples. And yes, her hand passes through her chest in the bottom pose.
I often like to use pre-made poses as a starting point, but not buy poses that aren't what is shown. I also like to use the original poses as they were intended. It would have been nice to have had them.

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  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 3,773
    edited December 1969

    Did you turn Limits Off? Try that and you'll probably get the right results.

    I've said it many times though and it bears repeating, I'll never buy poses anymore unless the description specifically says they were created with Limits On. I have no idea why it's supposedly so hard to use them; unless you're making yoga or really acrobatic poses, they're not *that* limiting.

  • Mr BowenMr Bowen Posts: 404
    edited February 2014

    Yes, I did that here. They were done one at a time from the zeroed pose with limits off. I even used the 00 pose with arms down to start from, not shown. They were still wrong. Heck with it. I am requesting a refund.

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  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 3,773
    edited December 1969

    Huh...you didn't morph the figure at all and you're sure Limits are Off? That is strange then, hopefully someone will be able to help you tomorrow (it's 3 in the morning at DAZ at the moment).

  • Mr BowenMr Bowen Posts: 404
    edited December 1969

    Yep, Aiko 5.

  • none01ohonenone01ohone Posts: 862
    edited February 2014

    I bought these way back, but haven't used them. I've just tried them out with Aiko 5 and I'm getting the same.
    Using 4.6 (not the latest).

    On the bright side, the first one is a pretty good zombie pose!

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  • JimmyC_2009JimmyC_2009 Posts: 8,891
    edited December 1969

    It also says on the Product Page :

    These poses work best with the Rotation Limits turned off.


    Did you try that also?
  • none01ohonenone01ohone Posts: 862
    edited December 1969

    JimmyC_2009 said:
    It also says on the Product Page :

    These poses work best with the Rotation Limits turned off.


    Did you try that also?

    That did it.

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,533
    edited December 1969

    I've got the Proportional Poses for David 5 from the same vendor and all the poses turn the figure into D5 - really annoying.
    I've had them for a while and can't return them, other poses by the same vendor I have don't seem to have problems but these do and I can't help but wonder why after all this time they aren't fixed.

  • TJohnTJohn Posts: 11,339
    edited December 1969

    scorpio64dragon said:
    I've got the Proportional Poses for David 5 from the same vendor and all the poses turn the figure into D5 - really annoying.
    I've had them for a while and can't return them, other poses by the same vendor I have don't seem to have problems but these do and I can't help but wonder why after all this time they aren't fixed.

    Those poses are not just joint rotations, but also adjust the sliders for muscle flexes, sizing proportions, etc. They were maximized for use with David 5. If you apply them to a different character, you can easily get your character back by going to the Shaping pane and selecting Currently Used. You should see both the slider for your character, and D5. Just slide your character to 100% and D5 to zero.
    Of course, if your character is a combination of morphs, this is gonna get real complicated. :)
  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,533
    edited February 2014

    tjohn said:
    scorpio64dragon said:
    I've got the Proportional Poses for David 5 from the same vendor and all the poses turn the figure into D5 - really annoying.
    I've had them for a while and can't return them, other poses by the same vendor I have don't seem to have problems but these do and I can't help but wonder why after all this time they aren't fixed.

    Those poses are not just joint rotations, but also adjust the sliders for muscle flexes, sizing proportions, etc. They were maximized for use with David 5. If you apply them to a different character, you can easily get your character back by going to the Shaping pane and selecting Currently Used. You should see both the slider for your character, and D5. Just slide your character to 100% and D5 to zero.
    Of course, if your character is a combination of morphs, this is gonna get real complicated. :)

    I rarely use a character out of the box a use a lot of different morphs so yes that method doesn't really work for me. I know how to prevent the D5 morph being dialled in but pose sets shouldn't change the character.

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  • TJohnTJohn Posts: 11,339
    edited December 1969

    The A5 poses work fine for me. I just made sure the figure is selected, then Edit/Figure/Limits(Rotation Off). Then the poses should apply correctly.
    By the way, the 00 pose in the this set should really be 01, as it is an actual pose and not meant as a "Zero" pose. 00 should be reserved for the T-pose (the all rotations "zeroed" pose).

  • TJohnTJohn Posts: 11,339
    edited December 1969

    scorpio64dragon said:
    tjohn said:
    scorpio64dragon said:
    I've got the Proportional Poses for David 5 from the same vendor and all the poses turn the figure into D5 - really annoying.
    I've had them for a while and can't return them, other poses by the same vendor I have don't seem to have problems but these do and I can't help but wonder why after all this time they aren't fixed.

    Those poses are not just joint rotations, but also adjust the sliders for muscle flexes, sizing proportions, etc. They were maximized for use with David 5. If you apply them to a different character, you can easily get your character back by going to the Shaping pane and selecting Currently Used. You should see both the slider for your character, and D5. Just slide your character to 100% and D5 to zero.
    Of course, if your character is a combination of morphs, this is gonna get real complicated. :)

    I rarely use a character out of the box a use a lot of different morphs so yes that method doesn't really work for me. I know how to prevent the D5 morph being dialled in but pose sets shouldn't change the character.
    Same here. Love to combine and tweak the morphs and make a character uniquely mine.

  • DZ_jaredDZ_jared Posts: 1,316
    edited February 2014

    You actually have to turn limits off in the Parameters Pane. Choosing to turn limits off in the dialog that populates when you load the pose doesn't work.

    Select Aiko 5 (you also need to be using Aiko 5) in the Scene Pane then open the Parameters Pane. Open the Active Pane Options Menu (its the button in the top corner of the pane). And choose Limits-->Limits Off (Rotation)

    **Edit** I've attached an image of your first example pose actually working.

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  • DZ_jaredDZ_jared Posts: 1,316
    edited February 2014

    Here's another example

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  • BarubaryBarubary Posts: 1,232
    edited December 1969

    DAZ_jared said:
    You actually have to turn limits off in the Parameters Pane. Choosing to turn limits off in the dialog that populates when you load the pose doesn't work.

    but...erm...isn't it supposed to work? O_o

  • FirstBastionFirstBastion Posts: 8,048
    edited December 1969

    tjohn said:
    scorpio64dragon said:

    I rarely use a character out of the box a use a lot of different morphs so yes that method doesn't really work for me. I know how to prevent the D5 morph being dialled in but pose sets shouldn't change the character.


    Same here. Love to combine and tweak the morphs and make a character uniquely mine.

    And that's why "rotational only" poses tend to work better, they don't affect morphs or shapes or scaling at all.

  • Mr BowenMr Bowen Posts: 404
    edited February 2014

    Sorry for the delay in response. My Internet has been down. I see now that makes another set I bought them, that I haven't used much till now, look like the pose's preview pictures. That said, there is still some body part pass through, opposite eye direction and 1 completely reversed pose.
    Why does Studio not turn off the limits completely when it asks you to do so before applying that kind of pose?

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  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281
    edited December 1969

    Ages ago, someone once told me that to turn limits off on Genesis, select PART of genesis...say, the thigh...then go to parameters tab and turn limits off. For some strange reason, this works BETTER for me than simply selecting genesis as a whole and turning them off. I have NO idea why this is.

    I have the Aiko 5 poses by Shimuzu and found they work on Genesis with no Aiko 5 morph, IF i do that.

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,533
    edited December 1969

    I bought the Briefing Room poses by V3Digitimes the other day and when I went to use them the chest of the figure went weird; I can't figure out how to correct this so the set is pretty much useless as most of them do this.
    Luckily its still within 30 days so I can return them but I'm really getting fed up with Pose sets that have faults.

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,067
    edited December 1969

    Try selecting the pectoral bones, children of the chest, and zeroing their rotations. If that is the fix please open a Tech Support ticket to report it, regardless of whether or not you decide to keep the product.

  • V3DigitimesV3Digitimes Posts: 3,366
    edited December 1969

    scorpio64dragon said:
    I bought the Briefing Room poses by V3Digitimes the other day and when I went to use them the chest of the figure went weird; I can't figure out how to correct this so the set is pretty much useless as most of them do this.
    Luckily its still within 30 days so I can return them but I'm really getting fed up with Pose sets that have faults.

    I just see the topic. I've never tested the poses on "naked" people so I did not see it. I'll have a look at this as soon as I find time.
    Did Richard Solution Solved the problem?
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