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HeadShop 12 Help

jubiejubie Posts: 41
edited March 2020 in The Commons

All these Face transfer Softwares are just horrible, I buy them all and they have no good tutorials Video or reading, Like WTF !!! for a newbie like me I am just wasting money and tons of time, if they come out with new stuff shouldn't they have "GOOD" reading material tutorials to learn about the software, they show these video's on youtube with very little about the software and thats it, I bought the Unlimted and upgrade to Face Transfer that came with Daz 4.12, then I bought FaceGen, everyone looks like a Monster in there, cant figure it out, no good tutorials to learn, now a new HeadShop 12 comes outr, I buy that , one again no Good Tutorials to learn, for a newbie to the PC world like me this is horrible, I don't mind reading and learning but THERE IS NOTHING TO READ !!!!!!!!

so I use this new HeadShop 12, and this is what I get, Take a look at the pic..... no where in the Help section, no where in tutorials no where at all does it tell you how to adjust getting the eyes to match up with the Morph on the right, so you export the morph and you have this FREAK LOOKING MORPH !!!!!!!!

So, Please tell me people, ...is it me, ...??    I mean should I not be doing this type of stuff, or should this stuff come with more directions and tutorials, am I just to dam stupid and can't find how to adjust this stuff..?? 

I am wasting so much time trying to figure this stuff out, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A F#$KING MORPH OF MY DAUGHTER SO I CAN PUT HER IN COOL FUN OUTFITS AND PRINT PICS OUT AND MAKE HER HAPPY !!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • felisfelis Posts: 5,790
    edited March 2020

    I don't have HeadShop, but what I can determin from your attached image, is that HeadShop assumes that there is a full head on the picture. So when you have cut the top part off, it reduces the rest proportionally.

    My suggestion is to try with another picture where all her head is visible.

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  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 8,556
    edited March 2020
    jubie said:

    All these Face transfer Softwares are just horrible, I buy them all and they have no good tutorials Video or reading, Like WTF !!! for a newbie like me I am just wasting money and tons of time, if they come out with new stuff shouldn't they have "GOOD" reading material tutorials to learn about the software, they show these video's on youtube with very little about the software and thats it, I bought the Unlimted and upgrade to Face Transfer that came with Daz 4.12, then I bought FaceGen, everyone looks like a Monster in there, cant figure it out, no good tutorials to learn, now a new HeadShop 12 comes outr, I buy that , one again no Good Tutorials to learn, for a newbie to the PC world like me this is horrible, I don't mind reading and learning but THERE IS NOTHING TO READ !!!!!!!!

    so I use this new HeadShop 12, and this is what I get, Take a look at the pic..... no where in the Help section, no where in tutorials no where at all does it tell you how to adjust getting the eyes to match up with the Morph on the right, so you export the morph and you have this FREAK LOOKING MORPH !!!!!!!!

    So, Please tell me people, ...is it me, ...??    I mean should I not be doing this type of stuff, or should this stuff come with more directions and tutorials, am I just to dam stupid and can't find how to adjust this stuff..?? 

    I am wasting so much time trying to figure this stuff out, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A F#$KING MORPH OF MY DAUGHTER SO I CAN PUT HER IN COOL FUN OUTFITS AND PRINT PICS OUT AND MAKE HER HAPPY !!!!!!!!!!!!

    No it's not just you. I did not buy Headshop 12. There are tutorials on the product pages and sometimes over at Youtube.com. It used to be called Faceshop.

    The photograph used appears to be a double take, the unexpected additional info may have confused the calculations. I edited the image and tried a few things to see how Face Transfer could handle it. The eyes do not match up ... my thoughts are that because these programs are expecting adult images, the eyes of a child are larger.

    You've purchased 2 of those programs inside of 30 days so if you cannot make them work for your project, you could put in for a store refund/credit, at least for one or the other of them, or both, your call.

    n.b. that it is not unusual to make some texture improvements to match the face to the model. The eyes themselves do not need to cover the eyeballs for example, one can use any one of the myriad of eye presets that came with all those delightful characters we've been collecting. The eyelashes normally get erased off of the image too as the models come with eyelashes and we do not normally require 2 sets ;-)

    Another way of getting a character to look specific is to find some characters that look close and dial in various percentages of their morphs. Then there are the 'growing up' series of morphs [for example] which assist to bring the adult figure down to a child figure.

    ...................

    Face Transfer IMHO does the fastest best job to align images to the model. You have that one ... it's helper is this product:

    https://www.daz3d.com/face-transfer-shapes-for-genesis-8

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  • jubiejubie Posts: 41
    felis said:

    I don't have HeadShop, but what I can determin from your attached image, is that HeadShop assumes that there is a full head on the picture. So when you have cut the top part off, it reduces the rest proportionally.

    My suggestion is to try with another picture where all her head is visible.

    Felis, Thank You for your reply, but its not that, I have attached another pic, I put bought my daughters in there to morph them into one, when that happens you can see the results, it cuts off the top half and the bottom half, and if I only use one of there pictures it does the same DAM THING !!!!!!!!,

    OH, it also has that top piece in the middle that you can adjust and move higher or lower, but your taking a guess at it, an d if your not right which is like IMPOSSIBLE to guess where your Genesis 8 Morphs eyes and mouth will be, and once you hit Apply it brings you to the picture on my last post and there is no way to go back, so you need to start all over, 

    How do these people have the nerve to sell this stuff !!!!!!!!!!!!

     

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  • backgroundbackground Posts: 592
    edited May 2020

    Hi Jubie,

    You might want to try Facegen , if you haven't already. Here is a quick Facegen version of your first pic, rendered in octane ( but iray would look similar ) . It hasn't got the chin quite right, and there's a bit of a shadow of the nose, which it picked up off your photo, both these would be fairly easy to fix though.

     

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  • jubiejubie Posts: 41
    background said:

    Hi Jubie,

    You might want to try Facegen , if you haven't already. Here is a quick Facegen version of your first pic, rendered in octane ( but iray would look similar ) . It hasn't got the chin quite right, and there's a bit of a shadow of the nose, which it picked up off your photo, both these would be fairly easy to fix though.

    If you like I would be happy to try some other pictures. I'm in the UK so getting a bit late here now, but I'll e back online tomorrow.

    btw the hair is 'Daily Bun hair' from rendo, with some minor tweaks

    Ian

    Ian

    Thank You very much for the reply, so..... it looks like YOU know what your doing because I tried FaceGen and I couldn't get anything even close to that, I would love if you did some for me, but how would I get to use them in Daz, but I would also would like to know and learn how you got it to look so good, I guess a Lesson from you ...lol lol 

  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 8,556
    jubie said:
    ... edit ...
    jubie said:
    ... IMPOSSIBLE to guess where your Genesis 8 Morphs eyes and mouth will be, and once you hit Apply it brings you to the picture on my last post and there is no way to go back, so you need to start all over, 
    ... edit ...

    For placing the dots, one is not guessing where they might be on the morphed figure. One places them to their locations on the photos. One is telling the program where the lips are for example so it can take that area to the lips and make [hopefully] more accurate morphs.

    It helps to spend some time just experimenting, not necessarily trying to save files.

  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 8,556
    edited March 2020

    Just a couple of Facegen morphs using the default G8F textures and Belfry hair. [served purpose, I have now removed them]

    To make them one simply follows the directions one step at a time, selects the figure it is for and the appropriate saving place {where the base figures are kept} and exports it. The nifty thing with Facegen is that one can export out the same morph for each of the Genesis figures!

    Oh yes, for Headshop I trust you found this video {was linked to on the product page}.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=141&v=vdBFoxlNwto&feature=emb_logo

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  • jubiejubie Posts: 41
    Catherine3678ab said:
    jubie said:
    ... edit ...
    jubie said:
    ... IMPOSSIBLE to guess where your Genesis 8 Morphs eyes and mouth will be, and once you hit Apply it brings you to the picture on my last post and there is no way to go back, so you need to start all over, 
    ... edit ...

    For placing the dots, one is not guessing where they might be on the morphed figure. One places them to their locations on the photos. One is telling the program where the lips are for example so it can take that area to the lips and make [hopefully] more accurate morphs.

    It helps to spend some time just experimenting, not necessarily trying to save files.

    Thank you for your reply Catherine, In the FaceGen software I understand about placing the dots, that was easly figured out, when I said "Guessing" I was talking about making the adjustment in HeadShop after you hit the Apply button, 

    and yes I did see the Youtube video for Headshop, it really does not explain the software very well at all, it skips over many different things and never even mentions anything about the problem I ran into at the beginning of this post.

     

  • backgroundbackground Posts: 592
    edited March 2020

    Jubie,

    I can save the Facegen .fg files which I can email to you, you should be able to open them in Facegen and then export them into DAZ. ( if you are going to give me your email address please put it in a message, and not in a forum post ). 

    I don't have any magic with Facegen but I have used it for a long time and you learn a few tricks and tips along the way.

    Edited to add  .. I had written a longer reply with a few notes but for some reason the forum ate it. I hate when that happens .

     

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  • backgroundbackground Posts: 592
    edited May 2020

    Happy to help if i can

     

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  • info_b3470fa520info_b3470fa520 Posts: 901
    edited March 2020
    jubie said:

    All these Face transfer Softwares are just horrible, I buy them all and they have no good tutorials Video or reading, Like WTF !!! for a newbie like me I am just wasting money and tons of time, if they come out with new stuff shouldn't they have "GOOD" reading material tutorials to learn about the software, they show these video's on youtube with very little about the software and thats it, I bought the Unlimted and upgrade to Face Transfer that came with Daz 4.12, then I bought FaceGen, everyone looks like a Monster in there, cant figure it out, no good tutorials to learn, now a new HeadShop 12 comes outr, I buy that , one again no Good Tutorials to learn, for a newbie to the PC world like me this is horrible, I don't mind reading and learning but THERE IS NOTHING TO READ !!!!!!!!

    so I use this new HeadShop 12, and this is what I get, Take a look at the pic..... no where in the Help section, no where in tutorials no where at all does it tell you how to adjust getting the eyes to match up with the Morph on the right, so you export the morph and you have this FREAK LOOKING MORPH !!!!!!!!

    So, Please tell me people, ...is it me, ...??    I mean should I not be doing this type of stuff, or should this stuff come with more directions and tutorials, am I just to dam stupid and can't find how to adjust this stuff..?? 

    I am wasting so much time trying to figure this stuff out, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A F#$KING MORPH OF MY DAUGHTER SO I CAN PUT HER IN COOL FUN OUTFITS AND PRINT PICS OUT AND MAKE HER HAPPY !!!!!!!!!!!!

    Jubie, the issue with G8 eyelashes is something of a DAZ problem (they made them separate for G8). What you can do is erease the eyelashes and load new ones that can be adjusted. And as the developer of HeadShop, we do bend backwards to explain how the app works (teach panels, how-to videos, 35 page manual). I am happy to skype/screen share with you and walk you through your issues. PM me.

    A little FYI: we just released HS12.5 FREE update. You can download it at abalonellc.com, it has better blending and works better on HR screens.

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  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 13,260
    info_b3470fa520 said:
    jubie said:

     

    A little FYI: we just released HS12.5 FREE update. You can download it at abalonellc.com, it has better blending and works better on HR screens.

    I purchased HeadShop 12 with LoveChild WIN - Upgrade from HS11 from DAZ. I went to your website and added the free updates to my cart; but when I try to checkout I keep getting a message "PrintAhead refused to Connect".

    Will  the updates be available at DAZ ?

  • backgroundbackground Posts: 592

    Charlie,

    If you go to printahead.com instead of abalonellc.com, the update should still be in your cart and you can checkout from there.

  • jubiejubie Posts: 41

     

     

    info_b3470fa520 said:
    jubie said:

    All these Face transfer Softwares are just horrible, I buy them all and they have no good tutorials Video or reading, Like WTF !!! for a newbie like me I am just wasting money and tons of time, if they come out with new stuff shouldn't they have "GOOD" reading material tutorials to learn about the software, they show these video's on youtube with very little about the software and thats it, I bought the Unlimted and upgrade to Face Transfer that came with Daz 4.12, then I bought FaceGen, everyone looks like a Monster in there, cant figure it out, no good tutorials to learn, now a new HeadShop 12 comes outr, I buy that , one again no Good Tutorials to learn, for a newbie to the PC world like me this is horrible, I don't mind reading and learning but THERE IS NOTHING TO READ !!!!!!!!

    so I use this new HeadShop 12, and this is what I get, Take a look at the pic..... no where in the Help section, no where in tutorials no where at all does it tell you how to adjust getting the eyes to match up with the Morph on the right, so you export the morph and you have this FREAK LOOKING MORPH !!!!!!!!

    So, Please tell me people, ...is it me, ...??    I mean should I not be doing this type of stuff, or should this stuff come with more directions and tutorials, am I just to dam stupid and can't find how to adjust this stuff..?? 

    I am wasting so much time trying to figure this stuff out, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A F#$KING MORPH OF MY DAUGHTER SO I CAN PUT HER IN COOL FUN OUTFITS AND PRINT PICS OUT AND MAKE HER HAPPY !!!!!!!!!!!!

    Jubie, the issue with G8 eyelashes is something of a DAZ problem (they made them separate for G8). What you can do is erease the eyelashes and load new ones that can be adjusted. And as the developer of HeadShop, we do bend backwards to explain how the app works (teach panels, how-to videos, 35 page manual). I am happy to skype/screen share with you and walk you through your issues. PM me.

    A little FYI: we just released HS12.5 FREE update. You can download it at abalonellc.com, it has better blending and works better on HR screens.

     

    Hello

    Thank you for the reply about HeadShop, and sorry about what I said about HeadShop, but I just couldn't find out how to get it to work properly, I would love to do a Skype Tutorial with you if possible, that is very kind of you to offer that, I messaged you and sent over my info .................Thanks again

     

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