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Ok, then part of the issue is encouraging people to look at other forums.
I mean, if you are already trying to go out and pull in more people, pull them into the art forum.
There is this one. Haven't had good luck with dforcing it, but it has controls and morphs to collapse.
In my library the women vastly outnumber the men. So, when nearly identical outfits are released for men and women, and I can't really afford to buy both, I'll just buy the women's and autofit it to the men. (Though now I'll be converting the clothes instead). There are exceptions where that "nearly identical" part has me favoring the men's, but typically not.
As for the figures themselves... I'll look through the womens pictures and go "oh, I want to make a render with her". When I look at the men it's typically more of "eh, I guess this guy is unique enough it might be helpful to have him some time..." Which is why I have 3.5 times as many women as men.
i soo love this thing - from the day it came out.
thats a nice looking umbrella you made there
If people used the correct forums all the time then all forums would be visited more and the Commons could then be used for (as it says in it's description)
AS Leana says
But the Commons has numerous off topic threads that have no relavance to Daz or 3D so thats just not happening is it.
It was merely a suggustion.
This is the problem, folks saying I think it will sell well.
The evidence rarely supports such thoughts. The majority support the the statement of fact "Male products sell significantly less than their female counterpart".
RiverSoftArt's post provides good evendence, even compelling evidence.
Compelling thoughts, you speak.
+1 and well said.
True.
But, all those of you going to work on monday.
Why don't you start the week knowing what you are doing will give you less income? You'll put in the same hours, the same care, and deal with the same pitfalls.
... And then get less cash for your efforts.
Not really that much fun is it, especially as your kids might be going hungry, bills unpaid, christmas 'un-celebrated'.
My advice, offer to take the risk; at least 'you' (not aimed at poster) get something you actually want.
I think most of us try, but even we aren't going to buy what we don't like. Most clothing for the males looks positively dreadful - skin tight pants that look like leggings (HATE them - even I can make those in Blender with a shrink wrap modifier or even in DS with a geoshell), pants with no details, not even a fly or belt loops...I appreciate Luthbel's clothing so much. I just wish he did a lot more of it ;).
Laurie
I think the only thing that's going to make male content as popular or more popular than female content at DAZ 3D is if DAZ content becomes the prefered content supplier for people that have a video game content making hobby and the licenses to use that content in video games becomes much cheaper.
Yes, but it has far more DS topics that should be in the DS forum
Whatever
You are preachng to the choir with me, I have been doing commercail 3d design for years, so I know what PAs deal with all to well and why I still have my day job..My point was that if we can get more users invested in DS and purchasing content for it, sales will go up and probably sales of less popular items which makes the risk of not paying the electric bill if it doesn't sell a bit less
Agreed and I have first hand experience with this. i would guess most PAs have ideas in their heads they would like to work on but are unsure it will generate any sales and as such put it way back on the back burner and churn out another item that while less inspired, will actually sell.
I had numerous Barbie's, Ken's, Skipper's, Midge's AND Ricky's as a kid, in addition to Dawn Dolls (small Barbie-like fashion dolls that were about half the size of Barbie). Mostly tho, I played with GI Joe dolls ;) My grandmother was a seamstress and made tons of clothing for my male and female Barbie family, so I always had clothes for them.
Laurie
Thanks, I try. :)
I've been shocked by how poorly some of my ideas sell. :)
I still make stuff that makes me happy more than just sells best, but... it definitely encourages me to pick and choose what I do.
You're welcome. I think it shows with hard data that there is definitely a male purchasing problem. It would be hard to claim that the male versions of scripts are worse than the female versions.
LOL. Yes, it is hard to tell what will work. I make the stuff *I* want and then cross my fingers
I know that SickleYield does the same thing.
Here are the respective freebie offerings by the highly respected Wilmap for G8 male and female. See, the female stuff outnumbers the male stuff. It isn't because the male stuff is of lower quality. It isn't because the female stuff gets marketed better.
If you prefer male content, there is a simple response. Make some.
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/65357/formerly-male-content-creation-thread/p1
I realised that, my post was meant to be general, not just the last part I was specific with.
I actually don't need as many male products, my guys where the same crap all the time; they only change it when it's so smelly Viccy and her friends put their respective foot down.
I used to work in retail for years, and I have to say, it really is supply and demand. If you walk into any major department store, you're going to notice--at least--50% of the floor space is devoted to female focused brands (Cosmetics and Women's Shoes getting priority). In general, women vastly outspend their male counterparts. That is why more floor space is available, so there is more variety to purchase from. 3D creation is entirely different than mass consumerism, but the business model is pretty much the same. DAZ is going to push all it's marketing and production time into producing content that sells well and sells regularly.
Published Artists is a different bag...if the artist is full-time, part-time, hobbyist, etc. If the artist is a full-time 3D content creator, then that artist will also need to become a business person. S/he will probably create things that will pay the bills. Part-time and hobbyist, I'm guessing, might just create whatever they like and are inspired by.
I'm sure DAZ has user statistics (gender, age, length time, etc), so they know their consumer base.
In the end, it really depends on the power of the purse. Are consumers buying the male content just as much as the female content? Are they buying it at full price, half price, super-duper cheap price?
As a consumer, I would love to see more male focused content. And I greatly appreciate the published artists that make morphs, transfer utilities, poses, etc for both figures. It shows a smart business model, because they aren't ignoring a potential consumer base.
@riversoftart, Thank you for all your wonderful content! I have tons of stuff from Gen2/3 that I needed transferred over to Gen8 and you made it flawless and easy. And thanks for sharing that consumer data, very informative!
@oso3d, You are a darn good artist! Very talented!
You're welcome! I am glad you like my stuff.
You will get just as many people asking for more everyday type clothing, and people saying that what is in the store isn't up to their standards, so they *do* want vendors to make a new version of the same type of clothes. There are fewer products designed for men coming out, and whatever does come out there will be people finding fault and posting about it.
a hubba hubba hottie in the store https://www.daz3d.com/leon-and-the-night
bringing attention to there is no promo glute shot of him,
as a male glute watcher so doesn't push that button when promos skip the glute asset, er, aspect of their dudes.
gives a nice promo of his legs tho
