Which M.2 Drive is best for content creators?

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  • lazarus102lazarus102 Posts: 47
    edited December 2019

     

    You've got a real problem. Your RAM is DDR3. All Ryzen chips support DDR4 only. You may want the X570 for future upgrades but with the 2700X in it it wion't support PCIE gen 4 which is pretty much the only major feature of those over X470.

    Yep.. I'm stuck.. got a couple useless bricks otw... If I give up on eating in two weeks from now, I might have enough for a 16gb stick of ram.. 

    Edited for profanity

    Post edited by Richard Haseltine on
  • You're better off investing your money in a used nVidia GPU.

    I just bought an EVGA 2070 super.. Short of buying another one to run in SLI, that would be pointless.. not to mention, running all that on my old cpu and mobo.. and my PS is only a 750 I think, I'd likely need more power to efficiently run two of those gpu's. 

     

    Anim said:

     

    https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16813144262

    Just bought that, and this to go with it.

    https://www.newegg.ca/amd-ryzen-7-2700x/p/N82E16819113499?Item=N82E16819113499

    Current ram is,

    https://www.amazon.com/G-SKILL-Ripjaws-2400MHZ-Desktop-F3-2400C11D-8GXM/dp/B00COGLBPQ

    And

    https://www.newegg.com/patriot-8gb-240-pin-ddr3-sdram/p/N82E16820220535

    According to the the website the board I got deff supports 2400, but is unclear about 2000. It states that it supports 2133 and 1866, but not 2k, which doesn't make much sense.. But if it actually don't support 2k, then it looks like I'll be down by half on my ram.. Sigh.. 

     

     

     

     

    Yes, I know what you mean. I have an 7 year old laptop and I'm in month 1 of a 4 month plan to build a new AMD desktop that's going to set me back about $1000 when it's done. As I have 16GB and run out on some DAZ scenes already the new desktop will have 32GB starting but eventually 64GB RAM and I bought a 2TB M.2 NVMe SSD and Ryzen 5 3600 CPU and presto all of the sudden $1000 gone! At least it's still much cheaper than had I tried to buy such a machine already built from HP, ASUS, Acer, or whoever.

    Just lucky that you didn't need to buy a new video card.. That's where all the money goes on new computers.. I've already spent over a grand, and that's without upgrading my old ram, or getting an M.2 drive.. 

    I'm actually building a desktop now and I decided to wait for the Summer of 2020 to buy a new GPU as I expect (OK - hope fore) 4K or FHD real time ray tracing with 16GB GPUs next summer. On the desktop I'm building now I bought an AMD Radeon RX 570 8GB MK2 OC so not exactly slouchy but useless for DAZ Studio (or Octane) but quite useful to too many other things to name. I got it for $132 so it was a great deal for an 8GB RAM GPU than can do openGL 4.5 and openCL 2.1 (or maybe it was openCL 2.0). Only thing I have left to buy is the Ryzen 5 3600 CPU.

    Most expensive component of my desktop is the 2TB Intel 660p M.2 NVMe SSD if you don't count 4 sticks of 1x16GB 2666 RAM as one component (the 4 sticks comes in at about $200 too).

    So al told about $1000 and $400 of that is storage. Storage is actually massively overpriced for the amount of research and resources that go into it compared to, say, a new GPU or new CPU, which wind up looking like total bargains in comparison. 

    If the Ampere GPU 3080ti increases VRAM it will likely be only a little cheaper than the 2080ti.

    Well a Zoltac RTX 2070 Mini with 8GB is $399 now so I'm hoping for something like a RTX 3070 with 16GB for $499. More than $499 and it's really unlikely I'll buy before the RTX 4070s, RTX 5070s, and whatever come out.

    Since I've have DAZ Studio scenes that exceed 16GB really I want GPUs with 32GB or even better with 4 RAM banks for GDR5 or HB2 (or whatever that RAM is called) that can go up to on daughter card of up to 256GB RAM.

    There is no way that a 16Gb 3070 is happening. The 3080ti might bo up to 16 or something but the lower tier cards, the ones now at 8Gb, will not go past 12Gb. GDDR6 modules are expensive.

    OK, that's the RAM I was trying to think of, GDDR6. Overpriced but whatever. If AMD does realtime ray tracing that can do 4K at 30FPS or higher on their cards with 16GB or more that's what i'm buying. nVidia is nearly out of the GPU compute power lead. They can't rest on their laurels indefinitely.

    GDDR6 is cheaper than HBM2 which is the other realistic option. AMD isn't going to do realtime rays at 4k 30fps in AAA titles. Also there is zero reason for more than about 6Gb on gaming cards. Even the most demanding modern AAA titles don't load that much in geometry and textures. Nvidia and AMD have been increasing VRAM amounts since many consumers view more as better. iRay is one of the very few apps that need a lot of VRAM.

    As to compute, these benchmarks that claim AMD is faster at some arbitrary tests are irrelevant. In 4 years of being either IT lead or IT manager at this datacenter not a single customer has requested even one Radeon Pro. Pretty much everything is done with CUDA and that cuts AMD out of the compute world.

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805
    edited December 2019

     

    You've got a real problem. Your RAM is DDR3. All Ryzen chips support DDR4 only. You may want the X570 for future upgrades but with the 2700X in it it wion't support PCIE gen 4 which is pretty much the only major feature of those over X470.

    Yep.. I'm stuck.. got a couple useless bricks otw... If I give up on eating in two weeks from now, I might have enough for a 16gb stick of ram.. 

    Edited for profanity

    Are you aiming for 64Gb for some reason? If not get 8Gb sticks. They can be had for $40 right now. You could probably do that and ramen.

    Post edited by Richard Haseltine on
  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,762

     

    You've got a real problem. Your RAM is DDR3. All Ryzen chips support DDR4 only. You may want the X570 for future upgrades but with the 2700X in it it wion't support PCIE gen 4 which is pretty much the only major feature of those over X470.

    Yep.. I'm stuck.. got a couple useless bricks otw... If I give up on eating in two weeks from now, I might have enough for a 16gb stick of ram.. 

    Edited for profanity

    Are you aiming for 64Gb for some reason? If not get 8Gb sticks. They can be had for $40 right now. You could probably do that and ramen.

    I bought my 1x16GB DDR4 at 2666 sticks for $49 each and free shipping from Amazon but I guess that depends on where you live and whether you will buy off-brands.

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    You've got a real problem. Your RAM is DDR3. All Ryzen chips support DDR4 only. You may want the X570 for future upgrades but with the 2700X in it it wion't support PCIE gen 4 which is pretty much the only major feature of those over X470.

    Yep.. I'm stuck.. got a couple useless bricks otw... If I give up on eating in two weeks from now, I might have enough for a 16gb stick of ram.. 

    Edited for profanity

    Are you aiming for 64Gb for some reason? If not get 8Gb sticks. They can be had for $40 right now. You could probably do that and ramen.

    I bought my 1x16GB DDR4 at 2666 sticks for $49 each and free shipping from Amazon but I guess that depends on where you live and whether you will buy off-brands.

    I don't see a point in buying 8gb sticks, that will just limit my potential down the road, then I'll be stuck with extra PC parts that I never get around to selling. 16gb is only 80ish for decent brand sticks that even look kinda fancy. As for brand, I prefer to go with proven brands over off brands when it comes to memory. Kingston was my Go-to ram for a long time, but these days it's a bit costy.. and I really like the look of the G-skill ram, it's nice and at a reasonable price. I've been using G-skill for years now and haven't had an issue with it. There's some brand all over newegg now called Team group (T-force), I haven't the slightest what to think of that. I'd never heard of that brand before, but it looks nice. I just prefer to stick to established brands when it comes to memory. When I first started building PC's back in the day, I bought some cheapass ram on sales, and it caused so many issues. 

    But one more question on the M.2 drives. I bought a board with 2 M.2 slots. If I was to get one M.2 stick that's geared for higher speeds with large files, and one that's geared for higher speeds on small files, and raid them together, would I end up with effectively one drive that can move small or large files at high speed?

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,762

     

    You've got a real problem. Your RAM is DDR3. All Ryzen chips support DDR4 only. You may want the X570 for future upgrades but with the 2700X in it it wion't support PCIE gen 4 which is pretty much the only major feature of those over X470.

    Yep.. I'm stuck.. got a couple useless bricks otw... If I give up on eating in two weeks from now, I might have enough for a 16gb stick of ram.. 

    Edited for profanity

    Are you aiming for 64Gb for some reason? If not get 8Gb sticks. They can be had for $40 right now. You could probably do that and ramen.

    I bought my 1x16GB DDR4 at 2666 sticks for $49 each and free shipping from Amazon but I guess that depends on where you live and whether you will buy off-brands.

    I don't see a point in buying 8gb sticks, that will just limit my potential down the road, then I'll be stuck with extra PC parts that I never get around to selling. 16gb is only 80ish for decent brand sticks that even look kinda fancy. As for brand, I prefer to go with proven brands over off brands when it comes to memory. Kingston was my Go-to ram for a long time, but these days it's a bit costy.. and I really like the look of the G-skill ram, it's nice and at a reasonable price. I've been using G-skill for years now and haven't had an issue with it. There's some brand all over newegg now called Team group (T-force), I haven't the slightest what to think of that. I'd never heard of that brand before, but it looks nice. I just prefer to stick to established brands when it comes to memory. When I first started building PC's back in the day, I bought some cheapass ram on sales, and it caused so many issues. 

    But one more question on the M.2 drives. I bought a board with 2 M.2 slots. If I was to get one M.2 stick that's geared for higher speeds with large files, and one that's geared for higher speeds on small files, and raid them together, would I end up with effectively one drive that can move small or large files at high speed?

    You are creating a mirror with 2 SSD drives in RAId so large / small files will be on both drives and any firmware / design considerations of one drive for large files and the other for small files will be negated because a mirrored drive is just a 100% constantly running backup and both drives will always look identical. When you split a mirror you should be able to use either drive as the content is identical. They'll operate at the slower speed of the slow drive because in RAID configurations the slow drive is always the bottleneck. When I was a systems admin for this large bank I had to watch after hundreds of 2 GB SCSI drives in big heavy disk drive cabinets connected to the main servers via optic cables and we were always required to match the drive as much as possible to the originals in the cabinet when one failed. As time goes on the old models aren't available but in raid you try to match specs because it's a waste of money to have mismatching drives.

  • Team Group is a decent brand. 

    As stated above mismatched drives in RAID is a bad idea. RAID 1 is also pretty expensive if you don't need data redundancy, and its actually pretty terrible at redundancy. Capacity is that of the smalelst drive in the array.

    Further m.2 RAID on Ryzen mobo's can get tricky. Ryzen dedicates 20 PCIE lanes for direct use by PCIE devices, generally x16 wired to full length PCIE slots and x4 wired to a single m.2. Any additional m.2's come off the chipset PCIE lanes. These all share that x4 connection to the CPU through the chipset. Which isn't just a potential bottleneck it adds latency compared to a m.2 wired directly to the CPU. When I got my x370 board I tried runnng my boot drive in RAID 0 and performance wasn't noticeably better than a single drive.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,762

    I am using a 2TB M.2 NVMe SSD drive (intel 660p for ~$200) as my system disk and just scheduling in the wee hours a Windows 7 Backup that images the system disk every evening). The disk holding the backup though is just a Seagate 2TB 2.5" Hybrid SSHD drive so it's not really going to hold more than one system drive images and a few incrementals of "Documents" files. 

    My MB only supports one M.2 NVMe drive although I could roaid 2 sets of 2TB SATA III 6GB/s SSD on my MB if I wanted. I reckon in 5 years or less storage will be much cheaper and faster so I'm not going to spend too much. Need mass storage at optane speeds and faster with much bigger sizes. A 4TB optane+ module + one 4TB for a RAID mirror + one 4TB for weekly fulls & daily increments would be much more than enough; but that's not counting though the 4TB optane storage I'd mirror and have my DVDs/BlueRays/CDs ripped to. I don't really count that as part of my computer. It goes to me TV. laugh

    In your shoes since you always have an extra image because of raid, just add on weekly full backup with daily incrementals. Well, if you seriously do photography, 3D modeling, and other hobbies on computer that are labour intensive that you absolutely don't want to lose. I'd keep your work computer offline when you weren't at the desk working at it too.

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