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Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 2,337
edited November 2019 in The Commons

NOTE:

I went to Dell, and used the info I've seen here at DAZ in order to configure what looked like a decent PC for DAZ Studio. Unfortunately, everything went wrong. The list of specs I had chosen somehow disappeared. I didn't notice the problem until people here pointed out the problem. Now I can't seem to recreate the intended configuration at Dell. 

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I'm doing a bit of dreaming here. I often get lost in the details. I went to Dell to see what they might offer. Is this a sufficient system for a "retired, perpetual newbie" like me?!

AMD Ryzen 5

Windows 10

AMD Radeon VII 16GB

16GB Dual Channel HyperX Fury DDR4 XMP at 2666MHz

512GB M.2 SSD & 2TB 7200RPM hard drive.

 

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,441
    edited November 2019

    If you're using Iray, you don't want that video card. The difference between CPU rendering with an AMD and GPU rendering on an NVIDIA card is like comparing a bicycle to a race car.

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  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 13,341

    If you want to use Iray you should try to get an nVidia based GPU. The AMD GPU doesn't do Iray and all your rendering will default to much slower CPU processing.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,795
    edited November 2019

    Given that it has this GPU AMD Radeon VII 16GB the Ryzen 5 in it probably is a 3rd Gen Ryzen 5, probably a Ryzen 5 3600.

    Given that you don't render in DAZ Studio so much if that computer is less than $1000, it's a good to really good to great deal depending on how much less. If it's a $1000 or over a $1000 than it's simply getting what you paid for an if it's too much over $1000 you are paying too much.

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  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805

    I'm willing to bet it's a R5 2600. The Radeon VII's were a thing back then. This fall, when a 3600 system would have been designed the 5700 was out. If you were going to build an all AMD rig after they both came out, they came out on the same day, why not use the Navi card?

    As such it isn't a bad rig but it had better be steeply discounted. ($750US or less).

    Specifically for DS/iRay the Radeon VII won't be much good, it should do dForce sims like gangbusters but not being able to render would be painful. Beyond that for general use it would be awesome and it would game, if that is a consideration, pretty well.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    First off, it's Dell.

    Alienware used to be great; Dell bought em out, work hasn't bought any since the ones we purchased after the Dell buyout.

    I've always liked Dell monitors, but never liked their PCs.

    ... But the spec, from a reliable builder is decent enough, although do you do Iray or 3Delight?

  • davidtriunedavidtriune Posts: 452

    you need geforce's RTX cores (specifically used for ray tracing)

  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 2,337

    Sorry, folks. I screwed up. I selected a different setup with the nVidia RTX card... But when I took a screenshot and wrote my notes, things had changed. I went back to Dell and can't recreate the setup I first liked. Now I'm back to start all over again.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,795
    kenshaw011267 said:

    I'm willing to bet it's a R5 2600. The Radeon VII's were a thing back then. This fall, when a 3600 system would have been designed the 5700 was out. If you were going to build an all AMD rig after they both came out, they came out on the same day, why not use the Navi card?

    As such it isn't a bad rig but it had better be steeply discounted. ($750US or less).

    Specifically for DS/iRay the Radeon VII won't be much good, it should do dForce sims like gangbusters but not being able to render would be painful. Beyond that for general use it would be awesome and it would game, if that is a consideration, pretty well.

    If it's an R5 2600 than $750 is a good price for it. I wouldn't go much over $750 for it.

  • Vanger ChevaneVanger Chevane Posts: 10
    edited November 2019

    AMD no longer supports the OpenCL that DAZ is strictly using for dForce.  AMD has pulled all drivers & documents from its website.

     

    Testing both an RTX2070 & GTX960 with the latest drivers from nVidia on an AMD X470 chipset has shown a total OpenCL & dForce failure.  But iRay renders on the 2070 run beautifully.

     

    Bottom line is this: 

    If you want iRay rendering on the GPU, you need a nVidia GTX or RTX card or built-in GPU.

    If you want dForce, which requires OpenCL, you need an Intel-based system (processor & motherboard).

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,795
    Vanger Chevane said:

    AMD no longer supports the OpenCL that DAZ is strictly using for dForce.  AMD has pulled all drivers & documents from its website.

     

    Testing both an RTX2070 & GTX960 with the latest drivers from nVidia on an AMD X470 chipset has shown a total OpenCL & dForce failure.  But iRay renders on the 2070 run beautifully.

     

    Bottom line is this: 

    If you want iRay rendering on the GPU, you need a nVidia GTX or RTX card or built-in GPU.

    If you want dForce, which requires OpenCL, you need an Intel-based system (processor & motherboard).

    Modern, within the last 3 years certainly, AMD CPUs & GPUs support both openCL 1.2 and openCL 2.0. openCL 2.0 support implies openCL 1.2 support. What it doesn't support is iRay so if the OP mainly wants fast DAZ Studio iRay renders their only economical and speedy choice is an nVidia 2060, 2070, or 2080 GPU, they could but older nVidia GPUs but it'd be a waste of money.

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