Why all the high heels?

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  • I know a lot of ladies that love their heels but most tell me they can't wait to get them off especially if they've been in them any length of time. One lady I know can't wear them anymore. Over the years they have wrecked her feet and she once fell and fractured her ankle.

    I buy both heels and flat foot wear. I buy as much as I can of flat footwear when possible but I like it all. There have been times I've taken V4 footwear like flip flops and such and fit them on G8F feet and parent them.

  • BendinggrassBendinggrass Posts: 1,380
    kyoto kid said:

    funny all that clothing you mentioned is very common everyday wear where I live including teachers, retail, bank, real estate, bar, and everyday wear of all ages even in 70's

    ...teachers, office drones,, kids, and senior citizens wear clothing like this?

    Oh yeah..... most 75 year olds anyway......

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,918
    caravelle said:

    We need more of Fisty & Darc's 'Amazing Morphing Pumps': https://www.daz3d.com/amazing-morphing-pumps-for-genesis-8-females

    "... complaining about a lack of high heels in the Daz Store is like complaining about a lack of power ballads at a Journey concert." outrider42, you are sooo right! BTW: I use to rate every attempt of a man to get me to wear high heels as an attempted assault. wink

    Don't forget the boots!

    https://www.daz3d.com/amazing-morphing-boots-for-genesis-8-females

    I keep hoping that F&D will make Genesis 3 versions of these, as trying to autofit the G8 ones to G3 is hit and miss.

     

    ...I hear you there.  

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,918
    edited October 2019
    Asari said:
    Yeah I feel you. I know I've bought outfits I don't like and won't render but that have flat boots for my females to wear. Also there was a shoe sale in the store a few weeks ago and I tried to find shoes I could also autofit to males. Turns out most shoes were heeled.

     

    Vice versa, there are so many outfits I really admire for their design and the attention to detail but that have low necklines or high heeled boots ... both are difficult to balance. For some outfits, kitbashing the shoes might ruin the look of the outfit. And unlike cutouts, it is difficult to layer something beneath when it's only the neckline.

     

    Fortunately we have had some nice fantasy outfits in the last months with low heel boots and no plunging necklines and cutouts. I appreciate this a lot that we have a choice.

    ..yeah but fantasy (or sci-fi) boots don't really work well with contemporary clothing. 

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,918
    kyoto kid said:

    funny all that clothing you mentioned is very common everyday wear where I live including teachers, retail, bank, real estate, bar, and everyday wear of all ages even in 70's

    ...teachers, office drones,, kids, and senior citizens wear clothing like this?

    Oh yeah..... most 75 year olds anyway......

    ..never seen that where I live.

  • My late step mother always wore high heels, even when she reached 85yo. She also had her makeup tattooed onto her eyelids, cheeks & lips when she reached 70, she said it saved an hour every morning. At age 75, she had the initial of her favourite grand daughter tattooed on her left shoulder. (I rather irritated her by calling it a 'Tramp Stamp', because I tought, and still think, that grand daughter was a tramp.) Whatever, possibly she wasn't your run-of-the-mill 85 yo.

    However, more commonly low heels (sub 1") are what I tend to see around if trainers are not in use. Oh, and jogging bottoms & sweat shirts on women 5ft tall and 5ft 6in wide - the type who couldn't possibly jog without a significant risk of parts of their anatomy smacking them hard in the face - such elegant and attractive attire.

    Regards,

    Richard

  • BrijacBrijac Posts: 11

    Don't forget the boots!

    https://www.daz3d.com/amazing-morphing-boots-for-genesis-8-females

    I keep hoping that F&D will make Genesis 3 versions of these, as trying to autofit the G8 ones to G3 is hit and miss.

    There is a fidgety way to get G8 Clothing working on G3 figures and reverse. https://www.deviantart.com/sickleyield/journal/Tutorial-Convert-Clothing-G3-to-G8-G8-to-G3-686682065

  • TimbalesTimbales Posts: 2,423
    Content creators are artists, and they all have their particular tastes and preferences. I believe most of them stick to what they like to make and it if sells well enough for them, they just keep doing it. I think there are times when a content creator makes something they don't really like or want to make, and it shows in the inaccurate details.
  • Heels and super low-cut tops are often reasons I pass on an outfit I considered. If they had a flat shoe option or a "lift neckline" fit adjustment, I'd have gotten them.

  • Sven DullahSven Dullah Posts: 7,621

    No high heels herelaugh DAZ in a nutshelllaugh We need more skimpy violence wearenlightenedAnd a few busstops moreyes

  • tj_1ca9500btj_1ca9500b Posts: 2,057
    edited October 2019
    Brijac said:

    Don't forget the boots!

    https://www.daz3d.com/amazing-morphing-boots-for-genesis-8-females

    I keep hoping that F&D will make Genesis 3 versions of these, as trying to autofit the G8 ones to G3 is hit and miss.

    There is a fidgety way to get G8 Clothing working on G3 figures and reverse. https://www.deviantart.com/sickleyield/journal/Tutorial-Convert-Clothing-G3-to-G8-G8-to-G3-686682065

    I retrofit G8 outfits fairly often with a fair amount of success, but as I said before, shoes are really hit and miss.  This is true for shoes in general, but the change from the previous 'T' pose to the G8 'A' pose really messes with shoes...  You can try to 'T pose' your G8 fig and then transfer the shoes to G3, but it doesn't seem to help much with the shoes.

    Anyways, I'm happy with the G8 morphing shoes and boots in the meantime.  They are nice things to have!

    Due to the extra morphs in the shoes and boots, though, you kinda need to have G3 versions to assure full functionality with G3.  So I'll continue to hope that F&D finds some time to make G3 versions.  And also maybe thigh high versions of the boots!

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  • DripDrip Posts: 1,238

    It seems that the default for anything that comes with an outfit is high heels, with much of the rest being strappy sandals that also aren't exactly the most practical of shoe.

    In my experience, it's exactly the opposite. Whenever I see a nice outfit, it comes with some boring flat shoe. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Last time we had a long running discussion on this topic, which was about half a year ago, I actually went and counted how many of the last released 20 outfits had high heels, and it turned out it was only about 40%. So there actually seemed to be a pretty nice balance, but apparently the outfits that high heel fans were interested in generally didn't have them, while the outfits that flats-fans were interested in generally had heels.

    I bet, if I were to look through the 20-50 most recent G8F outfits again, I'd find similar results, with heels and flats each filling between 40 and 50 percent of the outfits, and about 10% outfits without shoes.

  • pctech4nypctech4ny Posts: 184

    The thing that gets me is the amount of spike and stiletto heels. There seems only a limited selection of heeled shoes that might actually have enough surface area on the heel to allow the woman to walk without falling over.

    Right now I'm experimenting with the Strap Mules product (it has heels with maybe a square inch of contact with the ground) but it has a weird foot pose that needs to be reset after every character pose change (probably due to the platform under the sole changing the height and foot angle).

    There are some boots with non-spike heels but they are not always right for the outfit or scene setting.

  • Wonder if it's a regional thing  - is the wearing of heels more common in temperate climates, or in large urban centers?  Where I live, there are mostly no sidewalks - you could wear heels, but you'd either kill yourself, or destroy the heels.  Then, it's winter 8 months of the year... not a lot of call for the high-heeled or strappy.  Most adult women I know wear little to no makeup (just lipstick, usually).  'Realism' may be related to where you are.

    If I want fantasy shoes, I want something like these - I would just put them in a glass case and take them out to pet them once in a while :-)

    luxury woman metal birdcage 3D flowers sandals metal wedge cut out heel sandals hollow birdcage ...

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    The boots were made for walking?

    enlightenedput them heels on exotic green dancer onions or orions, now that's a render!

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,295
    edited October 2019

    Wonder if it's a regional thing  - is the wearing of heels more common in temperate climates, or in large urban centers?  Where I live, there are mostly no sidewalks - you could wear heels, but you'd either kill yourself, or destroy the heels.  Then, it's winter 8 months of the year... not a lot of call for the high-heeled or strappy.  Most adult women I know wear little to no makeup (just lipstick, usually).  'Realism' may be related to where you are.

    What you'll find in a lot of areas is that many women do wear heels at work... not just due to dress codes, written or unwritten, but also because the extra height brings their eyes up on a higher level to match their male co-workers... BUT they wear more sensible shoes on the way to work and back, for exactly the reasons you list.  On the other hand, if you go to Japan, you'll see a large percentage of the women wearing heels all the time, with short skirts and hose, no less, even in the middle of icestorms.          

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  • Cybersox said:

    months of the year... not a lot of call for the high-heeled or strappy.  Most adult women I know wear little to no makeup (just lipstick, usually).  'Realism' may be related to where you are.

    What you'll find in a lot of areas is that many women do wear heels at work... not just due to dress codes, written or unwritten, but also because the extra height brings their eyes up on a higher level to match their male co-workers... BUT they wear more sensible shoes on the way to work and back, for exactly the reasons you list.  On the other hand, if you go to Japan, you'll see a large percentage of the women wearing heels all the time, with short skirts and hose, no less, even in the middle of icestorms.          

    Out here, there isn't a lot of office buildings ;-)  I notice more women wearing flats, or very low heels, especially if their job is a standing one.  Cashiers usually wear runners or flats of some kind.  Fashion isn't worth back pain on a 9-5.  Admittedly, I don't live in a city.  Office people are a different kind of critter, I'm sure.  Work that doesn't involve a lot of standing, or lifting 50lb water jugs for customers :-D

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,295

    No high heels herelaugh

    And it's nice that her calves and the back of her neck are both kept so comfortably warm.  "How utterly practical!" I thought as I bought that outfit.   

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,295

     lifting 50lb water jugs for customers :-D

    But dude, if they were doing that in a swimsuit and heels it would be so hot...  

    And lest anyone wants to keep talking about how impractical heels are... 

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,087
    edited October 2019

    I vote for crazier heels, like fishbowls or whatnot...

     

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,295
    Oso3D said:

    I vote for crazier heels, like fishbowls or whatnot...

     

    These? 

     

  • LeanaLeana Posts: 12,793

    If I want fantasy shoes, I want something like these - I would just put them in a glass case and take them out to pet them once in a while :-)luxury woman metal birdcage 3D flowers sandals metal wedge cut out heel sandals hollow birdcage ...

    I would actually love to have heels like that for my Daz figures :)

     

    Count me in the "I'd like lower/flat-heeled options for fantasy/sci-fi outfits" camp.
    A lot of content creators seem to think that since it's fantasy it's perfectly reasonable to have impractical heels on outfits, there has to be some magic thing that makes it work (or some technology if we're talking sci-fi, I suppose). Fine for them, but unfortunately my view of fantasy doesn't include that magic which would make "running in the woods with stilettos" practical ;) So yeah, more options would be appreciated.

    It's much easier to find "reasonable" (for me) shoes for everyday scenes IMO.

  • Sven DullahSven Dullah Posts: 7,621
    Cybersox said:
    Oso3D said:

    I vote for crazier heels, like fishbowls or whatnot...

     

    These? 

     

    laugh...brilliant!

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    wolf359 said:
    High heels look good on the many attractive female characters that keeps the Daz store in business.

    Men like (and many women too), but many women also call em ankle breakers.

    I'm one of those that avoids high heels - including where an outfit has em; I then tend to wait till it's on sale.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    caravelle said:

    We need more of Fisty & Darc's 'Amazing Morphing Pumps': https://www.daz3d.com/amazing-morphing-pumps-for-genesis-8-females

    "... complaining about a lack of high heels in the Daz Store is like complaining about a lack of power ballads at a Journey concert." outrider42, you are sooo right! BTW: I use to rate every attempt of a man to get me to wear high heels as an attempted assault. wink

    Don't forget the boots!

    https://www.daz3d.com/amazing-morphing-boots-for-genesis-8-females

    I keep hoping that F&D will make Genesis 3 versions of these, as trying to autofit the G8 ones to G3 is hit and miss.

     

    As to the heels thing, just noting again that I regularly pass on outfits that I otherwise might buy if they have high heels.  This applies mainly to fantasy and sci fi oriented outfits, but yeah I'm passing on several items each week still, due to the high heels thing.  High heels have their place, but my library is already chock full of high heeled shoes and boots.

    Most of the high heel products I end up with come from Pro bundles, and I've passed on a few pro bundles due to the plethora of high heels thing.

    This is why I keep suggesting doing a low heels as well as a high heels version to vendors.  Sure, you can try to fiddle with the heels yourself, but that takes extra time that could be being spent on your next render.  Most won't bother though, but I'm still making said suggestion.  If MY business is important to you, keep it in mind.

    Don't auto fit; change the scene identification - usually works for me.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,918
    Drip said:

    It seems that the default for anything that comes with an outfit is high heels, with much of the rest being strappy sandals that also aren't exactly the most practical of shoe.

    In my experience, it's exactly the opposite. Whenever I see a nice outfit, it comes with some boring flat shoe. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Last time we had a long running discussion on this topic, which was about half a year ago, I actually went and counted how many of the last released 20 outfits had high heels, and it turned out it was only about 40%. So there actually seemed to be a pretty nice balance, but apparently the outfits that high heel fans were interested in generally didn't have them, while the outfits that flats-fans were interested in generally had heels.

    I bet, if I were to look through the 20-50 most recent G8F outfits again, I'd find similar results, with heels and flats each filling between 40 and 50 percent of the outfits, and about 10% outfits without shoes.

    ...if you remove fantasy, SciFi and sandals. the ratio changes quite a bit (particularly for G3). Apologies, but archaic fantasy and futuristic boots or flip flops aren't a really good match with the outfit I mentioned in my OP (though I found something that might work over at Rendo, yeah,  they're not thigh length but still better than nothing and apparently have separate material zones to work with).

  • No high heels herelaugh DAZ in a nutshelllaugh We need more skimpy violence wearenlightenedAnd a few busstops moreyes

     

    We need bus stops in high heels!!  ;)

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,918
    edited October 2019
    Cybersox said:

     lifting 50lb water jugs for customers :-D

    But dude, if they were doing that in a swimsuit and heels it would be so hot...  

    And lest anyone wants to keep talking about how impractical heels are... 

    ..but those are relatively modest compared to much of the 3D footwear sold here and in other stores.

    I'd like to see them try that in these:

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,918
    Cybersox said:
    Oso3D said:

    I vote for crazier heels, like fishbowls or whatnot...

     

    These? 

     

    ...yeah, and his ankle nearly buckled one step even with the cane for support.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,295

    No high heels herelaugh DAZ in a nutshelllaugh We need more skimpy violence wearenlightenedAnd a few busstops moreyes

     

    We need bus stops in high heels!!  ;)

    What's so strange about that?  Trains stop at platforms, after all.  I couldn't find a high heel but I did find a Bierkenstock.

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