If you're a Google Chrome user say bye to Flash player

I know this will be only of interest to Chrome users but I got a message this morning upon opening my browser stating that Google chrome is no longer going to support the Flash player starting in 2020. from what I gather from Google is that more and more website are no longer using Flash or requires Flash to run. If a site doesn't have a source to run games, vids or such then Chrome will ask you if you want to open Flash  but this will only happen until 2020.

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  • AtiAti Posts: 9,185

    I know this will be only of interest to Chrome users but I got a message this morning upon opening my browser stating that Google chrome is no longer going to support the Flash player starting in 2020. from what I gather from Google is that more and more website are no longer using Flash or requires Flash to run. If a site doesn't have a source to run games, vids or such then Chrome will ask you if you want to open Flash  but this will only happen until 2020.

    The message said that it will support it until the end of 2020. So we still have over a year to go. Another major browser is sticking to the same timeline.

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165

    That is like the pop up message i got from Microsoft  when i was updating one of my servers a couple of days ago;  Stating server and windows support is going to stop for windows7 OS on January 14th 2020  It will be sad day for windows 7 users

    Windows 7 support will end on January 14, 2020  https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4057281/windows-7-support-will-end-on-january-14-2020

  • Ivy said:

    That is like the pop up message i got from Microsoft  when i was updating one of my servers a couple of days ago;  Stating server and windows support is going to stop for windows7 OS on January 14th 2020  It will be sad day for windows 7 users

    Windows 7 support will end on January 14, 2020  https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4057281/windows-7-support-will-end-on-january-14-2020

    I still use Windows 7 on my post working PC I use Paintshop pro and it's a older version that works well for Win 7. I've been too cheap to upgrade because I don't want the newest version on my windows 10 machine where I do my rendering. Yes very sad to see the end to an old friend but as they say, "that's Progress" I reckon.

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    edited October 2019

    My render rig PC & my workstation PC both are a windows 7 pro.. my laptop I do business transactions on is a windows 10 pro. B ut thats all I use  it for .  

    This is just my opinon.   But for rendering I think win7 beats the heck out of win10, specially when it comes to system resources being used,  not to forget to mention that win10 reserves up to 20% of the gpu Vram for the w10 operating system where win7 does not.  that is a big advantage for rendering animation in my opinon,.  also I notice HD partitions work differently on windows 10 than windows 7 there is a few other reasons I prefer windows 7 over windows 10 and will keep using it for my render rig as long as I can without win7 support. luckily i use a white-list AV and firewall so I should be ok until software supports stops

    But like you said "that's Progress" & there are people still using windows XP as well..lol

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  • My main machine is a Win7-Pro.  I've had Flash disabled for a couple of years.  And don't bother enabling it when asked.  Same with Java.  Haven't needed them.

    My new machine and my laptop have been upgraded to Win10 for on-line operations but the old Win7 machine has far too much really old software on it to abandon it or risk it not functioning properly on Win10.

  • So, when Flash is no longer supported in 2021, does that mean any games I download that rely on .swf animations no longer be playable?  Also, will I still be able to use Macromedia Flash 8 software for the purpose of exporting video into .AVI format?

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    I'm a firefox user, mostly; I haven't installed Flash for a year or so.

    Don't trust it.

  • CinusCinus Posts: 118
    Ivy said:

    Not to forget to mention that win10 reserves up to 20% of the gpu Vram for the w10 operating system where win7 does not.  that is a big advantage for rendering animation in my opinon

    @Ivy: On my system, Win10 is using about 405 MB of the GPU VRam when not rendering. It's true that Win10 will grab 20% of VRam, but VRam consists of both system ram and GPU ram. Most of the ram that Win10 automatically allocates for VRam is actually system ram and not the dedicated VRam on the video card.

  • y3kmany3kman Posts: 844

    Good riddance. Flash is a resource hog and security risk. I haven't used it after sites like Youtube moved to HTML5.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,296

    My main system at home runs on Windows 7 Ultra, for which, as far as I know, there are no plans for for a comparable replacement version, so there goes my ability to run otherwise perfectly good XP software.  Our PCs at work all run on WIndows 7 Pro as well, so the whole thing mega sucks.  Then again, it could be worse... I could be an IoS user, where the planned obsolence rate is at least three times as fast.  ;/     

  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 2,214

    I remember about a decade ago, so many "tech experts" were saying Flash Player would and should die. Ok, that's fine. but it's still here. Ok, it will die in a year. I assume many companies or web sites already developed something that will do the same job?!  

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,313

    I like turtles.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,937
    edited October 2019

    ..so why don't sites move to HTML5?  Flash, like Java, is a disaster and easily hacked because there are no set standards.

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  • Sven DullahSven Dullah Posts: 7,621
    Sevrin said:

    I like turtles.

    I prefer herring.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,937

    ...I'll take lake perch myself but hard to get where I live now.

    The main fish here is Salmon which I am allergic to..

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,763

    I bought Flash 1.0 by FutureSplash way back in 1997 or 1998 I think it was for a ridiculously good price of $99 I think (well good considering what it did then and how cutting edge it was). It has a cartoon crab on the CD and packaging. I think a product called SmartDraw was a companion product that could be used to help create Flash drawings.

    You can be sure where Flash does hang on it will hang on because for gov agency has used it to  create a training curriculum and things of that nature. Flash originally was a very cute Moho type 2D animation framework concept for the web but quickly was abused by Macromedia, Adobe, and the ad industry.

    At the same time there was also this software that would compress images using fractal equations to be incredibly tiny in size. I don't know what happened to that product or business either.

    I think Moho can be output in HTML5. I know Unity has a 2D game engine that can run in HTML5 compatible browser.

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679
    The sad thing is that Flash was actually starting to do some really cool stuff right around the time the plug started being pulled years ago.
  • So, when Flash is no longer supported in 2021, does that mean any games I download that rely on .swf animations no longer be playable?  Also, will I still be able to use Macromedia Flash 8 software for the purpose of exporting video into .AVI format?

    There's a standalone flash player you can get - see this article for details:

    https://www.howtogeek.com/438141/how-to-play-adobe-flash-swf-files-outside-your-web-browser/

    Just keep a copy of that on your machine (and a backup just in case) and you can play downloaded flash games as long as you want. It's a portable .exe file so you don't need to install anything or give it admin priveleges or anything like that.

  • Noah LGPNoah LGP Posts: 2,617
    edited October 2019

    Adobe said in 2017

    https://theblog.adobe.com/adobe-flash-update/

    Given this progress, and in collaboration with several of our technology partners – including AppleFacebookGoogleMicrosoft and Mozilla – Adobe is planning to end-of-life Flash. Specifically, we will stop updating and distributing the Flash Player at the end of 2020 and encourage content creators to migrate any existing Flash content to these new open formats.

    Several industries and businesses have been built around Flash technology – including gaming, education and video – and we remain committed to supporting Flash through 2020, as customers and partners put their migration plans into place. Adobe will continue to support Flash on a number of major OSs and browsers that currently support Flash content through the planned EOL. 

     

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  • Noah LGPNoah LGP Posts: 2,617
    edited October 2019

    Also, will I still be able to use Macromedia Flash 8 software for the purpose of exporting video into .AVI format?

    Macromedia Flash Pro 8 is outdated but it should still work.

    This End Of Life is about Flash Player plugin.

    Post edited by Noah LGP on
  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,313
    Noah LGP said:

    Also, will I still be able to use Macromedia Flash 8 software for the purpose of exporting video into .AVI format?

    Macromedia Flash Pro 8 is outdated but it should still work.

    This End Of Life is about Flash Player plugin.

    From your quote. 

     Adobe is planning to end-of-life Flash. 

    It's not just Flash Player.  They're flushing Flash.

  • rav4rav4 Posts: 96

    My Google Chrome for Mac recently updated itself, and Flash is gone. I could find no way to add it back.

    So for Flash stuff, I launch Safari.

     

  • My current computer (about 3 years old) doesn't even have Flash installed. I've never missed it.

  • Noah LGPNoah LGP Posts: 2,617
    edited October 2019
    Sevrin said:
     Adobe is planning to end-of-life Flash. 

    It's not just Flash Player.  They're flushing Flash.

     

    I mean Flash Pro can still create content but nobody will be able to play Flash content. Flash technology is outdated.

    Adobe Flash CC (now Adobe Animate) create HTML5/MP4 content.

    Post edited by Noah LGP on
  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    edited October 2019
    Noah LGP said:
    Sevrin said:
     Adobe is planning to end-of-life Flash. 

    It's not just Flash Player.  They're flushing Flash.

     

    I mean Flash Pro can still create content but nobody will be able to play Flash content. Flash technology is outdated.

    Adobe Flash CC (now Adobe Animate) create HTML5/MP4 content.

    You can create html5 and stream mp4 for any website without having a 3rd party plugins I believe is the main reason for flash support stopping...  you don't need adobe to build html5 sites either, just any good HTML editor that allows ftp even  windows notepad  . Though you can build wicked awesomes HTML5 interactive web sites a in Adobe dreamweaver cs5 thru cc .,indesign cc , you can also use wordpress.  but how flash is being used now to create a 2d animation & use the Adobe media encoder cc to convert the swf &  stream the swf like a mp4 in html5  you can even make the videos interactive with user controls

    I have an example of it on my website, but i can't show you in the daz forum it would not pass the Daz TOS...lol

    Post edited by Ivy on
  • So, when Flash is no longer supported in 2021, does that mean any games I download that rely on .swf animations no longer be playable?  Also, will I still be able to use Macromedia Flash 8 software for the purpose of exporting video into .AVI format?

    from what I understand yeah, though I'm not tech savey so not 100% sure but noone else has answered yet  you but maybe someone else can confirm

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,124
    edited October 2019
    Ivy said:
    Noah LGP said:
    Sevrin said:
    .... Though you can build wicked awesomes HTML5 interactive web sites a in Adobe dreamweaver cs5 thru cc ....

    ...

    Hmmm... Interesting.  I believe that I have a copy of Dreamweaver CS5 that I once bought for a web development job but the learning curve was too steep for me.sad  So I reverted back to an earlier Adobe website development product that I'd been using because the customer's requirements turned out to not be terribly sophisticated.  Other than that, it's just been occupying space at the bottom of a box that I haven't seen for years.frown  I wonder if there's still a market for it?

    Post edited by LeatherGryphon on
  •  

     

    The sad thing is that Flash was actually starting to do some really cool stuff right around the time the plug started being pulled years ago.

    The cool parts are Adobe Animate now, and can publish to HTML5, MOV, GIF, and - at least so far - even still SWF (I guess if you're going to embed it in an interactive presentation or something?)

  • I prefer cod.

  • Noah LGPNoah LGP Posts: 2,617
    edited January 2020

    Apple Safari Technology Preview 99 doesn't support Flash

    https://twitter.com/webkit/status/1220046626762317824

    Post edited by Noah LGP on
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