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  • p0rtp0rt Posts: 217
    edited September 2019
    kenshaw011267 said:
    p0rt said:
    kenshaw011267 said:
    p0rt said:
    kenshaw011267 said:
    p0rt said:
    splash out on a thermaltake 280mm cooler if your case can handle it my ryzen 2600 overclocked to 4.2 with 64 gb 3200mhz ram, runs at 120c on the silicon during a render but still, i don't care to much for it, im buying a 3950x when it hits the shops

    120C? LOL. Ryzen thermal limit is 95C

    that is where water cooling comes in, the thermaltake 280mm, will be dead silent when the CPU isn't under load, unlike all the corsair all in one cooler's. the external CPU temp what most people will see is 60c, while CPU (Tctl/Tdie) will  be 120c

     

    the sensor's probably have a bug in anyway, when the CPU is 0c the CPU (Tctl/Tdie) will be -92c https://postimg.cc/ppj7cg6w

    Or you could be making stuff up. The thermal limit on Ryzen is 95C at Tdie. Exceed that by even 0.1C and the CPU will throttle down until it is well under 95. 

    The minimum reported on that image is not at all unusual. You get all kinds of weird readings from motherboard sensors when the system is just starting up, as that clearly was.

    it is all in the image from HWInfo which is at https://postimg.cc/ppj7cg6w

     

    silicon can  handle 1000c given enough cooling, the 95c thermal limit is the TDP for the included air heatsink, while a 280mm water cooled all in one heatsink has a TDP of around 150c or so the big youtube channel's like to say

    No. 95C will always cause the CPU to down clock. Always. AMD builds it right into the Ryzen chips and supporting chipsets. You're confusing the maximum wattage the included cooler can handle which is 95W with the CPU's thermal limit which is 95C. You can find copious documentation of each.

    processors work fine above the standard operating temperature overclocking world records are set using liquid nitrogen with old 4 core processors on 16 nm die could hit 10Ghz while the latest world record for cinebench is set using a 3950x at 5.7Ghz
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  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805
    p0rt said:
    kenshaw011267 said:
    p0rt said:
    kenshaw011267 said:
    p0rt said:
    kenshaw011267 said:
    p0rt said:
    splash out on a thermaltake 280mm cooler if your case can handle it my ryzen 2600 overclocked to 4.2 with 64 gb 3200mhz ram, runs at 120c on the silicon during a render but still, i don't care to much for it, im buying a 3950x when it hits the shops

    120C? LOL. Ryzen thermal limit is 95C

    that is where water cooling comes in, the thermaltake 280mm, will be dead silent when the CPU isn't under load, unlike all the corsair all in one cooler's. the external CPU temp what most people will see is 60c, while CPU (Tctl/Tdie) will  be 120c

     

    the sensor's probably have a bug in anyway, when the CPU is 0c the CPU (Tctl/Tdie) will be -92c https://postimg.cc/ppj7cg6w

    Or you could be making stuff up. The thermal limit on Ryzen is 95C at Tdie. Exceed that by even 0.1C and the CPU will throttle down until it is well under 95. 

    The minimum reported on that image is not at all unusual. You get all kinds of weird readings from motherboard sensors when the system is just starting up, as that clearly was.

    it is all in the image from HWInfo which is at https://postimg.cc/ppj7cg6w

     

    silicon can  handle 1000c given enough cooling, the 95c thermal limit is the TDP for the included air heatsink, while a 280mm water cooled all in one heatsink has a TDP of around 150c or so the big youtube channel's like to say

    No. 95C will always cause the CPU to down clock. Always. AMD builds it right into the Ryzen chips and supporting chipsets. You're confusing the maximum wattage the included cooler can handle which is 95W with the CPU's thermal limit which is 95C. You can find copious documentation of each.

     

    processors work fine above the standard operating temperature overclocking world records are set using liquid nitrogen with old 4 core processors on 16 nm die could hit 10Ghz while the latest world record for cinebench is set using a 3950x at 5.7Ghz

    No. The LN keeps the CPU's operating temp below the thermal limit. It doesn't change the thermal limit. 

    In order to increase the speed of a chip you have to supply more power to the chip, since the amperage is fixed that means increasing the voltage. Since the amount of heat released is directly related to the amount of power consumed and W=VA that means if you can remove that heat more quickly, by having a much higher gradient between the temperature of the coolant and the CPU, you can supply even more voltage while staying under the thermal limit.

  • p0rtp0rt Posts: 217
    edited September 2019
    kenshaw011267 said:
    p0rt said:
    kenshaw011267 said:
    p0rt said:
    kenshaw011267 said:
    p0rt said:
    kenshaw011267 said:
    p0rt said:
    splash out on a thermaltake 280mm cooler if your case can handle it my ryzen 2600 overclocked to 4.2 with 64 gb 3200mhz ram, runs at 120c on the silicon during a render but still, i don't care to much for it, im buying a 3950x when it hits the shops

    120C? LOL. Ryzen thermal limit is 95C

    that is where water cooling comes in, the thermaltake 280mm, will be dead silent when the CPU isn't under load, unlike all the corsair all in one cooler's. the external CPU temp what most people will see is 60c, while CPU (Tctl/Tdie) will  be 120c

     

    the sensor's probably have a bug in anyway, when the CPU is 0c the CPU (Tctl/Tdie) will be -92c https://postimg.cc/ppj7cg6w

    Or you could be making stuff up. The thermal limit on Ryzen is 95C at Tdie. Exceed that by even 0.1C and the CPU will throttle down until it is well under 95. 

    The minimum reported on that image is not at all unusual. You get all kinds of weird readings from motherboard sensors when the system is just starting up, as that clearly was.

    it is all in the image from HWInfo which is at https://postimg.cc/ppj7cg6w

     

    silicon can  handle 1000c given enough cooling, the 95c thermal limit is the TDP for the included air heatsink, while a 280mm water cooled all in one heatsink has a TDP of around 150c or so the big youtube channel's like to say

    No. 95C will always cause the CPU to down clock. Always. AMD builds it right into the Ryzen chips and supporting chipsets. You're confusing the maximum wattage the included cooler can handle which is 95W with the CPU's thermal limit which is 95C. You can find copious documentation of each.

     

    processors work fine above the standard operating temperature overclocking world records are set using liquid nitrogen with old 4 core processors on 16 nm die could hit 10Ghz while the latest world record for cinebench is set using a 3950x at 5.7Ghz

    No. The LN keeps the CPU's operating temp below the thermal limit. It doesn't change the thermal limit. 

    In order to increase the speed of a chip you have to supply more power to the chip, since the amperage is fixed that means increasing the voltage. Since the amount of heat released is directly related to the amount of power consumed and W=VA that means if you can remove that heat more quickly, by having a much higher gradient between the temperature of the coolant and the CPU, you can supply even more voltage while staying under the thermal limit.

    there isn't a thermal limit, 95c is just the operating temperature, which is past onto the heatsink, while heat transfer and cooling level is classed as TDP if you are into physic's silicon will break down around 1000c which is why probes can orbit the sun while most carbon and graphite in the space tech and military world can go upto 5500c and used in hypersonic planes, which goes under the name carbon carbon
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  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805

    https://community.amd.com/thread/213058

  • Dim ReaperDim Reaper Posts: 687

    Daveso, glad to see that you managed to get a new machine.  I remember you were going to buy one a while back and then they had sold out.  I would imagine that the new graphics card will enable you to really let your imagination fly and still be able to render in a reasonable time.  Hope you're enjoying the new rendering power.

  • p0rtp0rt Posts: 217
    edited September 2019
    kenshaw011267 said:

    https://community.amd.com/thread/213058

    thats for wimps. my 2600 happily runs at 120c for hours, and can easily go hotter when using prime95 and running a torture test

     

    if you want to overclock, you just have to spend $300 on a motherboard with CPU load line calibration and 12 phase VRM's and voltage regulator control's in the advanced options and aload more options to play with

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  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805
    p0rt said:
    kenshaw011267 said:

    https://community.amd.com/thread/213058

    thats for wimps. my 2600 happily runs at 120c for hours, and can easily go hotter when using prime95 and running a torture test

     

    if you want to overclock, you just have to spend $300 on a motherboard with CPU load line calibration and 12 phase VRM's and voltage regulator control's in the advanced options and aload more options to play with

    ! Ryzen will not go over 95C. How many different ways does this have to explained? The chips own monitoring system checks tDie every millisecond and will downclockif the temp exceeds the thermal limit.

     

  • PsyckosamaPsyckosama Posts: 510
    daveso said:
    ATNG 800Watts 80 Plus Gold Power Supply

    Get a new PSU, ASAP.

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805
    Psyckosama said:
    daveso said:
    ATNG 800Watts 80 Plus Gold Power Supply

    Get a new PSU, ASAP.

    800W is more than enough for the system as specced. 80+ Gold is very efficient. ATNG is not that bad a brand.

    So why should he replace the PSU?

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,839
    Dim Reaper said:

    Daveso, glad to see that you managed to get a new machine.  I remember you were going to buy one a while back and then they had sold out.  I would imagine that the new graphics card will enable you to really let your imagination fly and still be able to render in a reasonable time.  Hope you're enjoying the new rendering power.

    thanks .... what is really cool is i can experiment now...with lights especially. even hair renders pretty fast laugh  Its a deal breaker for sure. Just testing right now but I rendered Stonemason's Urban future 5 in 15 minutes with one character ... it wouldn;t even finish with my old rig without adding a lot of time. Portraits under a minute? WOW !!!  

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,839
    kenshaw011267 said:
    Psyckosama said:
    daveso said:
    ATNG 800Watts 80 Plus Gold Power Supply

    Get a new PSU, ASAP.

    800W is more than enough for the system as specced. 80+ Gold is very efficient. ATNG is not that bad a brand.

    So why should he replace the PSU?

    yeah .. right now I'm tapped for 3 years sad

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