Computer Frustration
KeithH
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I upgraded my video card thinking that would help. I just need to upgrade everything.
Please share CPU, Memory and Video card configurations you recommend?
Thank you
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What graphics card did you upgrade to/from?
One good way to share your configuration details is to use CPU-Z, which will inventory everything installed. Running that will put it on your screen, and then you can "Validate" the output to a website and then post the link. There are a few steps, but it beats doing it all by hand.
For my system, for instance, I get this:
Processor (CPU)
CPU Name
Intel® Core™ i7-7700K CPU @ 4.20GHz
Threading
1 CPU - 4 Core - 8 Threads
Frequency
4408.58 MHz (44 * 100.2 MHz) - Uncore: 4208.2 MHz
Multiplier
Current: 44 / Min: 8 / Max: 45
Architecture
Kaby Lake / Stepping: B0 / Technology: 14 nm
CPUID / Ext.
6.E.9 / 6.9E
IA Extensions
MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, EM64T, VT-x, AES, AVX, AVX2, FMA3, TSX
Caches
L1D : 32 KB / L2 : 256 KB / L3 : 8192 KB
Caches Assoc.
L1D : 8-way / L2 : 4-way / L3 : 16-way
Microcode
Rev. 0x8E ► Spectre (CVE-2017-5715) Patched ◄
TDP / Vcore
91 Watts / 1.2 Volts
Temperature
69 °C / 156 °F
Type
Retail (Stock Frequency : 4200 MHz)
Cores Frequencies
#00: 4408.58 MHz #01: 4408.58 MHz #02: 4408.58 MHz #03: 4408.58 MHz
Motherboard
Model
Asus PRIME Z270-K
Socket
Socket 1151 LGA
North Bridge
Intel Kaby Lake rev 05
South Bridge
Intel Z270 rev 00
BIOS
American Megatrends Inc. 0318 (11/22/2016)
Memory (RAM)
Total Size
16384 MB
Type
Single Channel (64 bit) DDR4-SDRAM
Frequency
1202.4 MHz (DDR4-2404) - Ratio 1:18
Timings
15-15-15-35-2 (tCAS-tRC-tRP-tRAS-tCR)
Slot #1 Module
Kingston 8192 MB (DDR4-2400) - XMP 2.0 - P/N: KHX2400C15/8G
Slot #2 Module
Kingston 8192 MB (DDR4-2400) - XMP 2.0 - P/N: KHX2400C15/8G
Graphic Card (GPU)
GPU Type
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (GP104) @ 923 MHz
GPU Brand
ASUSTeK Computer Inc.
GPU Specs
GP104-200 / Process: 16nm / Transistors: 7200M / Die Size: 314 mm² / TDP: 150W
GPU Units
Shader Units: 1920 / Texture Units (TMU): 120 / Render Units (ROP): 64
GPU VRAM
8192 MB GDDR5 256 bit @ 4006 MHz (Micron)
GPU APIs
DirectX 12.0 (12_1) / OpenGL 4.5 / OpenCL 1.2 / Vulkan 1.0
Storage (HDD/SSD)
Model #1 Name
Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB (FW: EMT02B6Q)
Model #1 Capacity
232.9 GiB (~250 GB)
Model #1 Type
Fixed, SSD - Bus: SATA (11)
Model #2 Name
Western Digital WDC WD20EZRZ-00Z5HB0 (FW: 80.00A80)
Model #2 Capacity
1863.0 GiB (~2000 GB)
Model #2 Type
Fixed - Bus: SATA (11)
you know you can get that same data instantly from windows by typing in system information in the start box in win7 and or type "msinfo32" in Run dialog, in windows 10
The windows system information, will give a complete break down and tell you where your conflicts are whats bottle necking between your gpu and CPU & system ram whats running okay or in error shows components no longer supported by new or old hardware upgrades. etc
Plus you can view hardware profiles and see whats going bad and conflict issues there are well
its pretty straight forward and gives a lot more details about whats going on in your system
https://www.windowscentral.com/how-check-your-computer-full-specifications-windows-10
this is a screen shot of one of my pcs memory information.
Oh, there are lots of ways to see the information, but it's another thing to have to post a bunch of screenshots if you just want to tell people what your hardware is.
If you click the top where it says "system summery" it will tell you the complete system all in one view . see my screen capture of my system information of my render rig
Then you can click down through side tabs to check the each part of the system in detail , this is very helpful for trouble shooting issues when you have custom builds and updated or upgraded stuff and would be helpful to the OP for finding solutions to speed up his system because it actually shows where the problem areas could be not just the system specs .
Here is my system information.
Aspire GX-785
32 GB RAM (Motherboard only supports 32GB RAM)
Intel i5-7400 3GHz CPU
Windows 10 64 Bit
Was NVIDIA geforce GTX 1060 3GB
Now NVIDIA geforce GTX 1660 Ti 6GB OC Edition
It was the most I could spend on a card at the time.
Thanks - this is helpful
there a well kept secret people hardly know about or do to imporve their system ram. & as a person using daz and lots and lots of ram its kind of a must.
If you change the c:/ page/file.sys to another larger hard drive you can speed your main C:/ drive up by at least 25% because the page/files won't be running in the background on your main drive. , plus it will save you disk space equel to your system ram which is a huge savings if you have a limited SSD space , its one of the first hacks i do to imporve my virtual memoery and gains some drive space on my mains system drive. because i use a lot of ram
heres how to do on windows 10
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/77692-manage-virtual-memory-pagefile-windows-10-a.html
Anytime I do a big scene my computer just craps out.
That looks like a pretty ambitious scene for only have 3 gigs of GPU , you maybe maxing out your videos cards ability to hold your scene in the vrams (video ram)
Try rendering you back ground first , then remove all the back ground content put the back ground you rendered in the environments tab found on " window>panes(tab)>environments. then load the characters in to the scene. 3 gigs of vram is pretty small I think what daz recommend for iray is 4 gigs min.
I have 6GB VRAM - But that is why I was asking about everyone's computer configs. I want to do big scenes,
Figure not just video though even though it is 5GB and not 3GB. I will most likely upgrade CPU, RAM and anything else I might need.
If you are wanting to do big scenes, I can not recomend https://www.daz3d.com/scene-optimizer enough, it is a fantastic app for lowering thersources needed for a given scene. It's very customizable, or you can also do it with one click. I use it very frequently to keep scenes with multiple characters on the GPU, and to lower the render time on scenes that do fit on the card but take a while to cook.
I apologize I misread your comment where I thought it said 3gig but it was what you use to have. i see where you did say it was 6gigs.
Did you ever change your page/file , in your system information your page/file space that is alotted is to smalll compared to your cpu memory installed , it should at least be the same if not bigger. see my system information and see how big i have my page file set at . that lows virtual memory setting can slow down everything when your hit render, when trying to render a scene, because all the memery data is stored in that file as your iray scene builds data ,
this picture is a screen shot of your page files memory size you posted which says page file space 0.98 gb It should match your virtual memory 32.9 GIGS. . it should be at least as big as your system RAM which states you have 32 gigs that would eb the first thing i would change.
A word on testing your VRAM
sure fire way to know if your computer and GPU are handling your scene your trying to render is when yourGPU Iray render gets handed off to your CPU during the rendering cycle, if its its throwing your render to cpu then your scene is to big for your video card VRAM. and no computer optimization going to help, you will just need a bigger cards, or build your scene differently to optimize what you have like dragntx mentions getting Scene Optimizer and maybe even reducing textures mapr using Matty manex texture resource saver.
if its not kicking to cpu during rendering then your card can handle the scene and something else is bottle necking your render between your cpu memory & gpu , which could be a number of things , not a big enough power supply , mix/matches cpu memory chips, over heating etc.
But my first check would be to see if your render is being thrown from your gpu to cpu, you can do that by looking at your performance tab under your task manager , if your cpu is spiked at 100% when you are rendering , then your your video cards is not big enough to handle your scene and your video cards is handing off the render to yuor CPU, and CPU renders are deathly slow
to do what you said for the pagefile I am going need to pick up another drive to move it to that drive. Once I do that - will be interesting to see the difference.
you will see a huge diffrence in gaming oo because your system won't be stopping for buffering every 12 minutes ..lol I posted a link on how to move it above
did you try that little test to see if your render was being handed off to your cpu? I might test that first too to see if the scene is just to big for your card
The Scene Optimizer - I bought it and WOW!@ It makes a HUGE difference
Will still get another drive to move the pagefile.
Thanks
Now I am loading loads of characters in the same scene to see if this works.
Unfortunately, there are not many options that go above 8GB of VRAM. A 1070 would actually be slower than a 1660ti, and a 1070ti would be about the same speed give or take. A 1080 would be faster, but now you are getting into high end GPUs. There is the new RTX 2060 Super, which has 8GB instead of 6 like the original 2060. That is frankly the cheapest 8GB you will find for Iray. And if you need more, well, look out, because the only options that offer more than 8 are the 1080ti and 2080ti with 11GB. I'm pretty sure they are beyond your budget.
But if the Daz app itself is struggling, that is more on the CPU side of things. Your CPU is not great, but its not terrible, either. It should be able to handle Daz most of the time.
The page filing thing could help. I would buy a SSD for this. SSDs are so much faster. You could have a small SSD for your main apps and games and the page file.
However, I see that you are using 4.11 Pro. My advice is to download the 4.12 beta and use it. In my experience the biggest improvements to the beta are with how well Daz itself runs. Daz has NEVER run this well for me in the past. I made scenes that caused Daz to chug in 4.11, but in 4.12 they run totally fine. You can download the beta and use it right along side the Pro release. They will not conflict. The beta can open and use all the same save files and everything, so there is nothing to lose here.
So before running out to buy any new hardware, my recommendation is to install the beta. I bet you will be very happy with that. I would certainly still use the Scene Optimizer, that is one handy tool regardless and will make Daz life better. But use the beta, its great.