Daz 3D is part of 
Connect
DAZ Productions, Inc.
7533 S Center View Ct #4664
West Jordan, UT 84084
Licensing Agreement | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy | EULA
© 2025 Daz Productions Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Comments
At the very least make a list of what's in the image that is NOT included. Some products are misleading and I think on purpose in a few cases. But there is always the refund option.
Do you really think it is fair to demand that PA's spend a lot of time to basically advertise for other peoples products? Some are OK with that, but it should be their choice.
The product normally lists what's actually in it. If you find something listed in the product's "What's included" that you don't find in the product itself, you can contact Customer Service and, as you mention, there is a 30-day-refund policy.
I can see that being a problem if people keep pressuring vendors to release private models/meshes. But if a vendor/artist doesnt want people duplicating their work then they shouldn't use publicly available/purchasable products. They can try to be secretive about it but there is a good chance that a "pls help ID this item" thread will let everyone know what all was used in a promo pic. Vendors listing what they used and if its purchasable or private seems like it would get rid of a lot of those "pls help ID threads" which would be nice.
Who is up to a challenge? When you create your next render that contains more elements than a nude figure and a spotlight, just make a list with all the items you used. And then repeat that for six, eight or ten renders in a row. Under time constraints, knowing that the sooner you finish the sooner you'll have money for rent, food and other necessities.
I think, under these circumstances, most of us are pretty good at listing the things we used. If some items slip, well yes, you can create a thread and add some life to this forum - which is a good thing because the number of active forums keeps declining anyway
The good PA's spell it out.
Case in point the new Daphni character for G3 & G8 https://www.daz3d.com/daphni-hd-for-genesis-3-and-8-female as far as I can tell, pretty much everything is listed of what was used in the promos except the purple dress used in the main thumbnail image..
I'm not sure I understand. As opposed to what's listed in the product?
At a guess, Aave Nainen's Long T-Shirt freebie from Christmas 2018 (and hence, no longer available, and not feasible to link) with custom textures. If nothing else, the cut and material zones are so dang close that said freebie would replicate it easily.
For any product that adds elements to the scene (models, morphs, maps) there's http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dazstudio/4/referenceguide/scripting/api_reference/samples/metadata/list_products_used/start - but that can't list things that merely adjust settings (poses, shaping presets if the textures coem from a different character, light sets if they don't add emissive props, etc.) so it isn't exhaustive.
Well that goes both ways. Other PAs would also be advertising their products. Also, customers might view a PA who provides more information on their product page more favourably than an equally talented PA who doesn't.
Yeah, clay renders show you what you are actually getting and the level of actual detail in the mesh... and are great for helping one figure out if you are looking at modeled details or just good normal, bump or transparency maps... and since the product pages don’t offer information on the file size, it can often give one a small clue as the whether the item might be heavy or light.
If that was directed at me (seems to be)
A: I couldnt care less... I dont chase that stuff, its a waste of my time. Im also not trying to sell the images, but the product. I was merely stating how other ppl feel.
B: There is a too close mark... which has nothing to do with being exact. Where thats decided is called "court of law" not "court of forums" Music is also an entirely diff thing, with a diff set of rules regarding copyright.... those songs have been licensed to be sold that way, with the orig band retaining its full credit for the song. We're selling you a product, not the license to replicate our promos. So its apples to oranges.
C: As far as post goes, dont see the problem when the rest of the promos are straight out of the box.... also, the product description tells whats being sold. If you cant tell with all that :shrugs: You can lead a camel to the water, but you can't make it drink.
Also... What Cris said.
I think that most of the time, why an item isn't listed is for one of the three reasons below:
It came from another store
It is discontinued/retired/time-limited freebie/no longer availabe because *insert reason why here*
It was made specifically for the promos and is not a commercial item
I know that I would feel very limited in what kind of promos I create for the Daz store if I was told I could only use currently available Daz store products (despite the quite wide and lovely selection here). But that would be the only way that all items could always be listed. And that doesn't even take into account when a promo might have to be altered in the future if an item used was retired/pulled from the store and I would have to try and keep track of that. It would kind of be a nightmare.
My view.
I prefer that the PAs spend time doing actual products and promo pictures actually showing what I am bying, like clay renders and/ likewise a picture showing the individual items in the product.
And a view of the different included materials, and it is nice if there also is a view of the material groups.
I see many pictures, where I have no idea which other itms are included, and I cannot see why it should be different for promo pictures.
I always keep track of what’s in a scene for my own purposes. So I can find the scene file if I discover I need to re-render it... And I name the render with what the major components of the scene are. I feel it’s saving time so I don’t pull my hair out trying to find that scene again! Also if I like the character mix, I can reuse it and if I forgot what I used, I have it right in the name of the render. Sometimes I even go into the scene tab and just quickly write down everything I used. For me it actually saves time for other projects...
Just want to say I LOVE your artistic promos. So glad you include that because I do a lot of postwork too and it’s good to see the possibilities of a product as well as “out of the box.” I find your promos very inspiring and I could see how one may be tempted to imitate them. Because I do heavy postwork too, I feel like I have to kitbash your products so they DON’T look too much like the promos lol...
and you show all the pieces and their options which is what I like
Wow, seems a step too far to me!
TY hon :) I do em exactly for that reason... I always hope they inspire others. But of course, I wouldnt want to only have those. Out of the box renders are equally important, which is why I have a balance of both. And yeah, lots of people like to see how I did the post, so Ive started doing before and after images to show that. Im not really guarded when it comes to that stuff, and sharing *secrets* I just as easily share dial settings for the random chars in my promos too, coz people ask me a lot (to be clear, I dont use bought characters... they're always random dial spins and mixtures of textures)
And TBH, I really wouldnt care if people came close to what I did, on the art end... like I said, Im more about selling the models, less about the artwork (Im way more guarded about models, tho... coz thats what Im selling) I think everyone has a fave artist they like to try and emulate... just for the learning experience. Mine is actually Dorian Cleavenger (I used his stuff as inspiration to learn how to paint, actually) But Id never resell those or try to pass them off as my own.
To the opposite, however, you have to figure some people may not be so keen on that (Im thinking people who are trying to sell their images and such) so we have to respect those people, too. Its really a crapshoot which version of artist ull get, so you have to be careful.
Since I do sell my images, the last thing I’d want is for a client to look through the Daz store and say “Hey, this looks just like that promo!” lol. So I would never copy a promo as much as I love yours and some of Linday’s. But they inspire me. As does Shannon Maer’s work or so many artists that I see at Comic-Con. Of course you have to show “out of the box” for sales, but I always love to see the gorgeous postwork you do!
You're only talking about ONE scene.. .we're talking about FIVE or in my case about TWENTY. Try juggling those just for ONE product then you will have a point of reference. And that doesn't include if DAZ says no to a promo and you have to redo it or swap out a piece of clothing because it's revealing too much.
I hope you are really joking.
I mainly just use my own products...easier that way. lol
What? I do it for all my scenes. And renders. I need to keep track of things for myself. And often clients do exactly what Daz does and I have to swap things out. All the more reason to keep track of everything!
And I guess this is how it’s done correctly by PAs...
katherinepoche_e11a5b0e7e my apologies if my response sounded a bit harsh, it was not my intention.
It was pretty harsh.
Good luck mandating free thinking creative individuals to give up their freedom to make choices in a somewhat free society.
I think it is best to leave the choice to the vendors to list the items used in their promos. It is unfair to make them promote other artists' products.
I've never seen a Coca Cola, McDonald's nor Nike list the make and model of the truck they use or the brand of clothing their models wear in their TV ads. Have you? Logically one should not mandate Daz Vendors to do the same.
All these 'what's this product used in the promo posts' are somewhat fun and very informative. I always get these 'omg', I owned these product but never used them! moments.
Peace and render on.