Lolita Bundles?
OrionPax09
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Okay, here's the thing. I've had the Lolita Akane, Goldie Locks Lolita Bundle, and Lolita Kimono Bundle on my wishlist. I decided to check said wishlist, and according to it, they're all at 100% off. I didn't get but figured, what the heck, and tried to snatch them up. Only for them to not show up in my shopping cart. And when I tried to check their pages, they're missing from the store. So...just so I can have this cleared up, what the heck is going on?
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I would suggest a ticket to inquire.
Yeah same thing here, hate when that happens
That's why DAZ is teasing you with "Get them while you can"...
The Goldie Locks Hair and the Lolita girl are still in the store. https://www.daz3d.com/goldie-locks-hair-for-genesis-3-female-s https://www.daz3d.com/mallorie-for-genesis-3-female
Linday, who made the Lolita Kimono's store is still up but their outfit is gone.
If something disappears before I bought it, I didn't need it.. easy, right?
Maybe there was a problem with using the name 'Lolita'
That wouldn't entirely surprise me. I can't remember who it was that had the problem, but there have been threads where people have complained about Paypal rejecting payments for things, and it often seems to be involved with certain keywords in the name. (I think "Havana" was mentioned as one, supposedly linked to the US-Cuba embargo?)
If that’s the case hopefully they’ll reappear with a new name...
It's a literary classic! Literally.
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Having had Paypal mess up a transaction where the item had a "Questionable" name I think DAZ probably is checking to see if anything else is going to trigger an automatic filter. We live in strange times.
Huh. I hope they bring the bundles back, unless I'm just missing seeing them. I was hoping to pick up some of them up eventually as well.
What's even more strange is that I purchased all 3, Lolita Kimono, Gothic Lolita and Goldilocks Lolita and none of them show up in my product library. And when I try to download it from install manager, it fails. If these items have been pulled from our libraries shouldn't we have been notified and given a refund if it's no longer available?
Interestingly the Lolita Kimono Bundle has been renamed to "Kawaii Kimono Bundle" and the outfit to "Kawaii Kimono Outfit for Genesis 8 Female(s)" in my product library (but without a link to the product page) - I wonder if it will find it's way back into the store under that name?
That is very strange. I've never heard of a discontinued/pulled item not still being in a buyer's Product Library.
Right?
Apparently the kimono was renamed / replaced by a version with a new name (that I can find in my library). They’re probably doing the same for the others.
I think "Lolita for Aiko 7" was renamed "Nola for Aiko 7" but neither has a currently accesssible product page. Nor do they appear in my products library. My content library's still got all the stuff under the original names, though.
Nola for A7 is indeed listed on my product list on the site, with the download as “Lolita for Aiko 7” ;)
They probably changed the name. There are some who feel that the name would imply objectionable content. Since we know that paypal had an issue with lee's Yakuza outfit, we can assume they have issues with Lolita garb.
Yes I see that so maybe the others have a similar renaming
New names
Gothic Lolita is now Goth Girl
Goldie Locks Lolita Outfit is now just Goldie Locks Outfit
The Lolita Kimono Bundle is now the Kawaii Kimono Bundle.
Daz is updating the names in DS now (Install Mnager has an update).
So does PayPal just have a problem with Japanese culture?
You aren’t dealing with people but machines which flag certain words or concepts. Yakuza is a criminal gang and the machine flagged the transaction as possibly being problematic. Eventually it decided it wasn’t an issue and unfroze the transaction.
They aren't yet showing in the store, but maybe once they're updated in DS, they'll bring them back. Good to know, though. I finally had a character that the style would work well for and I was looking forward to picking up the outfits once they went on sale again.
It doesn't matter what the reason is. Somebody had to program the machine to do what it does. This is not even the problem.
If this is true, Daz has seen fit to remove products from the store they have had for years just to suit a payment processor. It does not matter in the slightest whether they come back with new names. Not only did they do this, but they also altered the products through updates to customer libraries. This sets an extremely dangerous precedent for the store. This is a form of censorship. Where does this path take us? What happens if the payment processor decides they do not want any characters with genital props or textures? Or what if they decide that all products based on children must go? Where does it end?
Daz has 3 different payment options. If one is a problem, raise some hell. If they do not stop, kick them to the curb and use a different option. Let me ask you, what is worth more, your integrity or a few pennies per transaction?
Regardless, Daz owes the customers at the very least a notification of these sudden changes. Look at the confusion this caused. If people allow DIM or Connect to update their libraries they might not realize these products have new names and thus they may lose track of them and not know where to find them. Will this effect a customer's saved scenes with these items?
BTW, I wonder if there is a connection to Marie Loo? She was removed from the store as well. She just so happened to have promos wearing some of these outfits. What does it mean? Without some kind of explanation from Daz, that only leaves us to speculate. And when people speculate, they might speculate some pretty nasty things. Just sayin'. Honesty can be a good business policy.
I wouldn't say that something haveing been acceptable "for years" is an automatic free pass. If anything, age may even be a call for re-evaluation; There were many things that were for a long time considered acceptable but now highly offensive. As I regularly say, tradition does not justify itself.
In this particular case, "Lolita" is a term regularly used in child pornography (to the point that if you google "Lolita", you get a warning right at the top about child pornography being illegal). Putting aside the fact that I'm mildly surprised that it was considered an acceptable product name in the first place, PayPal trying to stop their service funding the sexual abuse of children is a massively more important matter than inconveniencing a few artists.
(Also, while we know PayPal is involved with this problem, you're assuming it's only PayPal that has this problem. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if the other payment options had similar checks, making simply changing the name more practicable for Daz than arguing with multiple payment processors every time they update their filters).
We can’t really know why daz store does stuff but to be quite honest we’ve been told multiple times that daz does several things to suit PayPal and so it really isn’t surprising if they changed more stuff. I don’t see that as being strange or out of line with their current mode of operation,
they want to keep PayPal. So they conform to some of tits rules. This we have been told already.
I agree that customers should be notified however at least these items will be returning. There are items which are removed from the store which are just simply no longer sold.