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Needing an upgrade!!

AlfawulfAlfawulf Posts: 174
in The Commons

The ol' PC needs a proper burial..

Any suggestions for a "Best Bang for the Buck" option!?!?

I use this and other media religiously and am looking to animate...

NERDS UNITE!!! laugh

 

 

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  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805

    There are many different bang for the buck options. What is you budget and do you use Iray or 3Delight?

    I will note that no "budget" option will produce animations very quickly.

  • AlfawulfAlfawulf Posts: 174
    kenshaw011267 said:

    There are many different bang for the buck options. What is you budget and do you use Iray or 3Delight?

    I will note that no "budget" option will produce animations very quickly.

    Looking in the $700 to $1500 rangish

    I use Delight religiously atm but Iray fast would be the standard yes?

     

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805

    At $700 you'd be very hard pressed to get a PC able to even do 3Delight very well. At $1500 you can get a very effective 3Delight system and a decent Iray one.

    I specced this out for someone else looking for roughly the same thing:

    https://pcpartpicker.com/user/kbs666/saved/#view=DnWykL

    That should be a very good 3Delight system for around $1100 US. For Iray you could take the same build and drop the 1650ti GPU and get the best card your budget will allow, likely a 2060 or 2070.

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679
    edited July 2019
    If you stick to 3DL you don't need much of a GPU, which would save you a lot of money. A decent GPU will be the single most expensive part on the list. Though everybody has their own definition of what they consider "decent".

    Buying used is also an option. Consider that some manufacturers still honor the warranty with second hand purchases based on the item's age.

    Perhaps list some of your current spec so we can know what you are coming from.
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  • ebergerlyebergerly Posts: 3,255
    Alfawulf said:
    kenshaw011267 said:

    There are many different bang for the buck options. What is you budget and do you use Iray or 3Delight?

    I will note that no "budget" option will produce animations very quickly.

    Looking in the $700 to $1500 rangish

    I use Delight religiously atm but Iray fast would be the standard yes?

    Not long ago (couple years?) the GTX 1060 was considered a "beast". Some have said it's still the most owned GPU out there. So I suppose a lot of people are happy with it. And you can get a nice PC for $700 with a GTX 1060. 

    But it depends on what your needs and expectations are. Assuming you want to move to Iray, and your old PC's GPU wouldn't get near the performance as a GTX 1060, maybe a 1060 is a great upgrade.

    In Iray, a decent ballpark figure is that, for a simple Iray scene with maybe one character a 1060 might do an Iray render in around 5 minutes or so. Ballpark. If that's fine with you, and the amount of VRAM is okay (between 3 - 6 GB as I recall) you might want to go for the lower end and save some bucks. 

     

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 7,281

    Hmm. There was I thinking my current system with a 6 year old Quadro Pro 4000/8Gb VRam doing a single figure Iray render in an hour was pretty decent, so a 1060 sounds like a pretty good upgrade. It's a shame there is no standard benchmark for 3D rendering that manufacturers could quote for their potential customers. I do feel manufacturers almost want you to buy something unsuitable so they can sell you something 'better' to correct the mistake.

    Regards,

    Richard.

  • ebergerlyebergerly Posts: 3,255
    edited July 2019
    richardandtracy_e725004c1a said:

    Hmm. There was I thinking my current system with a 6 year old Quadro Pro 4000/8Gb VRam doing a single figure Iray render in an hour was pretty decent, so a 1060 sounds like a pretty good upgrade. It's a shame there is no standard benchmark for 3D rendering that manufacturers could quote for their potential customers. I do feel manufacturers almost want you to buy something unsuitable so they can sell you something 'better' to correct the mistake.

    Regards,

    Richard.

    There is a benchmark thread for the GTX series cards here in this forum, and the 5 minutes I mentioned is for the "Sickleyield" scene used in that benchmark. You can download it and check against your Quadro to get a better idea of performance gains.

    Here's the link: 

    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/53771/iray-starter-scene-post-your-benchmarks/p1 

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  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679
    edited July 2019

    No one has ever called a 1060 a beast. Its a main stream GPU, and that is the reason its the most popular card. Still, it probably is a big upgrade for speed compared to that old Quadro, but...

    Don't forget that the 1060 tops out at 6gb. That's less than your current card. I would not under any circumstance buy a card that has less VRAM than what you already have unless you are 100% certain you do not need 8gb. The 1070 is a good step up from the 1060 plus offering 8gb. The 1070ti is faster still. The 1080 is a wash because the 1070ti is so close to it.

    Also, the 1060 has numerous versions. Some only have 3gb and that just wont cut it. Some even have 5. The biggest 1060 has 6. So be aware of what 1060 you are looking at if you do pursue one.

    Moving to newer cards, the just released 2060 Super has 8gb now, plus its faster than the original 2060. The old 2060 has 6gb. Plus being RTX you get the bonus potential boost of dedicated ray tracing cores in the latest Daz 4.12 beta. The new 2060 is much faster than last gen 1060, its kind of a new tier. But its capable of out performing a 1080 from last gen at a much better price.

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  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805
    outrider42 said:

     

    Moving to newer cards, the just released 2060 Super has 8gb now, plus its faster than the original 2060. The old 2060 has 6gb. Plus being RTX you get the bonus potential boost of dedicated ray tracing cores in the latest Daz 4.12 beta. The new 2060 is much faster than last gen 1060, its kind of a new tier. But its capable of out performing a 1080 from last gen at a much better price.

    If the OP is willing to spend the whole $1500 he could certainly switch the video card I included in the above build for a 2060 Super which would make for a good Iray render rig.

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 7,281

    Outrider42 & Ebergerly, thanks for your suggestions. I had missed the benchmark test thread, and the times I'm getting of 51 mins are not mentioned after page 4 of the thread. My memory was faulty, the card is a Quadro 2000, not a Pro 4000, but it does have the 8Gb VRam. When we got it at work in 2013 it was pretty impressive, not top of the line but not far off. Now... Hmm, it's a bit elderly. frown

     

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,673

    Pointless point-scoring removed. These threads are meant to help people decide what systems they need, not to frighten them away from any technical discussion.

  • JamesJABJamesJAB Posts: 1,766
    richardandtracy_e725004c1a said:

    Outrider42 & Ebergerly, thanks for your suggestions. I had missed the benchmark test thread, and the times I'm getting of 51 mins are not mentioned after page 4 of the thread. My memory was faulty, the card is a Quadro 2000, not a Pro 4000, but it does have the 8Gb VRam. When we got it at work in 2013 it was pretty impressive, not top of the line but not far off. Now... Hmm, it's a bit elderly. frown

     

    The Quadro 2000 only has 1GB of VRAM.  You may be looking at the main system RAM.

    Upgrading from a Quadro 2000 to a GTX 1060 would be a huge performance jump. (Also the Fermi series of cards that your Quadro 2000 comes from are no longer supported by Iray)

  • PetercatPetercat Posts: 2,321
    edited July 2019

    What was your old PC and how old was it? Can you salvage any parts, even the case?
    Maybe to get better critical parts until you can afford to replace the older?

    Some peoples idea of "old"  differ from others'.

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  • Silver DolphinSilver Dolphin Posts: 1,639

    Get a  Xeon E5-2680v2 10core 20thread cheap, get a socket 2011 intel motherboard that has 16 ram slots and does ecc ram. Get 64 to 128gb of ecc ram. This will take care of 3delight renders. For Iray get a Nvidia video card with the most vram you can afford current king is the Nvidia titan rtx. Get a branded with good warrenty1000watt power supply. Get a 1tb ssd Samsung install windows, get 4tb HD for programs and content. Have fun.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,774

    I asked same question the other day & was helped and have since modified what was suggested to me with the best bang for the buck sans discrete video card. My budget forces me to opt for a AMD Ryzen 5 3400G CPU with integrated Vega 11 GPU and save until December but that only means maybe a 5nm AMD APU will be available to me affordably by then. Probably not, but a small chance. Despite the name, the AMD Ryzen 5 3400G is last year's APU with 12nm build process with 'only' 4 CPU cores. Still it will beat the pants off my 7 year old HP 8470P Elitebook laptop.

    Here is my 'AMD Build'

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