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Optane Vs SDD

mambanegramambanegra Posts: 594
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So, I'm about to buy a new machine. SDD is great for OS, but not practical for my large library. So, I will end up having 2 largeish old fashioned HDDs in there. One for my library and one for work. So, the question I have for those who have been following these things: Does Optane's benefits help with stuff like DS. 

I read someplace that intel posted some benchmarks to show that a 1TB 7200 disk + Optane memory slightly outpeformed an SSD. But, would our use case be similar enough to a more generic use case that the benchmark was designed to mimick? 

Is there an advantage of adding optane on top of a 500gigabyte SDD?

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  • Joe.CotterJoe.Cotter Posts: 3,362
    edited June 2019

    Have to update my comment. Here is a benchmark which should give you current information: Samsung 970 pro NVME vs 905 Optane NVME (1tb each aprox.) Note: Mb = Megabits, MB = Megabytes. People often miss that significant difference when looking at reviews.

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  • Hurdy3DHurdy3D Posts: 1,073

    You know that there are good 2TB SDDs for 300 to 400 bucks?

     

  • Joe.CotterJoe.Cotter Posts: 3,362
    edited June 2019

    Yes, but comparing 1tb to 1tb to keep it as close of a comparison as possible. The fact one can get good 2tb SSD's for a fraction of the price of a 1tb Octane drive just makes the comparison even more one sided (towards the SSD) for most people's use.

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  • Hurdy3DHurdy3D Posts: 1,073

    Why should a faster HDD speed up DAZ? I mean, if I load files with 500MB/s or 1000MB/s shouldn‘t matter for rendering?

    I really don‘t get the point of comparing SDD with Optane. Just upgarded from a HDD with 5MB/s to 2TB SDD (Sabrent 2 TB Rocket NVMe PCIe M.2 2280) and the only thing which got faster in DAZ Studio was browsing through the library ;)

  • mambanegramambanegra Posts: 594
    gerster said:

    Why should a faster HDD speed up DAZ? I mean, if I load files with 500MB/s or 1000MB/s shouldn‘t matter for rendering?

    I really don‘t get the point of comparing SDD with Optane. Just upgarded from a HDD with 5MB/s to 2TB SDD (Sabrent 2 TB Rocket NVMe PCIe M.2 2280) and the only thing which got faster in DAZ Studio was browsing through the library ;)

    Well, you are talking to someone who's last several years has been living on external HDD connected via USB so that my computer can have a super duper slim profile and make lots and lots of fan noise just because...it's apple!

    Maybe just having internal storage will be a huge improvement and I'm just worrying about nothing. Doing a bit of additional reading suggests there are two types of Octane memory being sold. One being a simple cache for platter based HDD which I'm seeing in low sizes (16/32) that are intended solely to help improve performance of old HDDs. Then, there are also standalone octane storage which is what Joe seems to be talkinga bout. The latter prices are craz. The other ones are tolerable and I was hoping they might make accessing the 6TB disk more efficient.

    Looking at these comments and those over at Toms HW, it sounds like most people think of Octane as being more gimicky than advantageous. 

    The system will live on an SSD and user data and 3d stuff will live on HDD. Maybe, once I've recovered from having purchased the new computer, I can move the runtimes over to a larger SSD. 

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805
    mambanegra said:

    So, I'm about to buy a new machine. SDD is great for OS, but not practical for my large library. So, I will end up having 2 largeish old fashioned HDDs in there. One for my library and one for work. So, the question I have for those who have been following these things: Does Optane's benefits help with stuff like DS. 

    I read someplace that intel posted some benchmarks to show that a 1TB 7200 disk + Optane memory slightly outpeformed an SSD. But, would our use case be similar enough to a more generic use case that the benchmark was designed to mimick? 

    Is there an advantage of adding optane on top of a 500gigabyte SDD?

    The Op[tane cache "drive" that you are talking about stores frequently accessed files to speed access to those files. If you use Daz a lot it will certainly load faster with Optane compared to an HDD by itself. As to your content library, how often do you use the same asset? If you don't use the same files a lot the cache algorthm won't save them.

    What I'd do is if I was building a new machine is get a 500Gb or 1Tb SSD for storing the OS and programs. My 3d assets would go on HDD's since I have multiple Tb and getting that much solid state storage would be pricey for little gain. If tyou really want faster loading times for assets you could get multiple HDD and run them in RAID 0, which would nearly double access speed to the HDD's.

  • mambanegramambanegra Posts: 594
    kenshaw011267 said:
    mambanegra said:

    So, I'm about to buy a new machine. SDD is great for OS, but not practical for my large library. So, I will end up having 2 largeish old fashioned HDDs in there. One for my library and one for work. So, the question I have for those who have been following these things: Does Optane's benefits help with stuff like DS. 

    I read someplace that intel posted some benchmarks to show that a 1TB 7200 disk + Optane memory slightly outpeformed an SSD. But, would our use case be similar enough to a more generic use case that the benchmark was designed to mimick? 

    Is there an advantage of adding optane on top of a 500gigabyte SDD?

    The Op[tane cache "drive" that you are talking about stores frequently accessed files to speed access to those files. If you use Daz a lot it will certainly load faster with Optane compared to an HDD by itself. As to your content library, how often do you use the same asset? If you don't use the same files a lot the cache algorthm won't save them.

    What I'd do is if I was building a new machine is get a 500Gb or 1Tb SSD for storing the OS and programs. My 3d assets would go on HDD's since I have multiple Tb and getting that much solid state storage would be pricey for little gain. If tyou really want faster loading times for assets you could get multiple HDD and run them in RAID 0, which would nearly double access speed to the HDD's.

    Hm, I hadnt thought about raid. The motherboard I'm looking at mentions RAID 0,1,5 and 10 in it's specs. I wonder if that means it actually has a HW controller. I had planned to get two 6s. I could easily change the plan up a bit to do raid instead of independant disks for the two types of data (assets vs actual work stuff).  

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805
    mambanegra said:
    kenshaw011267 said:
    mambanegra said:

    So, I'm about to buy a new machine. SDD is great for OS, but not practical for my large library. So, I will end up having 2 largeish old fashioned HDDs in there. One for my library and one for work. So, the question I have for those who have been following these things: Does Optane's benefits help with stuff like DS. 

    I read someplace that intel posted some benchmarks to show that a 1TB 7200 disk + Optane memory slightly outpeformed an SSD. But, would our use case be similar enough to a more generic use case that the benchmark was designed to mimick? 

    Is there an advantage of adding optane on top of a 500gigabyte SDD?

    The Op[tane cache "drive" that you are talking about stores frequently accessed files to speed access to those files. If you use Daz a lot it will certainly load faster with Optane compared to an HDD by itself. As to your content library, how often do you use the same asset? If you don't use the same files a lot the cache algorthm won't save them.

    What I'd do is if I was building a new machine is get a 500Gb or 1Tb SSD for storing the OS and programs. My 3d assets would go on HDD's since I have multiple Tb and getting that much solid state storage would be pricey for little gain. If tyou really want faster loading times for assets you could get multiple HDD and run them in RAID 0, which would nearly double access speed to the HDD's.

    Hm, I hadnt thought about raid. The motherboard I'm looking at mentions RAID 0,1,5 and 10 in it's specs. I wonder if that means it actually has a HW controller. I had planned to get two 6s. I could easily change the plan up a bit to do raid instead of independant disks for the two types of data (assets vs actual work stuff).  

    Most mid to high end MoBo's do support HW RAID. You can generally set up RAID in the UEFI, BIOS) setup.

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