How should I connect monitor? GPU or video card?

okay so I was a 27 year mac user, I now have this pc thats been running for a few months with nividia gpu cards, but I am wondering if I have set it up optimally. I have a dvi cable connected to the monitor and the gpu output on the computer.

Should I reconnect that cable to the pc's video card?Seems like that would free the gpu to only render instead of drive my video, am I wrong? Must admit I really don't know whats best. Not to mention I really have no ideal how to optimize the sound out put either. all this stuff is easy on a mac. just plug and go.

 

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  • dougjdougj Posts: 92

    I would recommend leaving the video cables the way they are now since you can only load drivers from one manufacturer ie. Nvidia, AMD, or Intel.

  • Gusf1Gusf1 Posts: 258
    wscottart said:

    okay so I was a 27 year mac user, I now have this pc thats been running for a few months with nividia gpu cards, but I am wondering if I have set it up optimally. I have a dvi cable connected to the monitor and the gpu output on the computer.

    Should I reconnect that cable to the pc's video card?Seems like that would free the gpu to only render instead of drive my video, am I wrong? Must admit I really don't know whats best. Not to mention I really have no ideal how to optimize the sound out put either. all this stuff is easy on a mac. just plug and go.

     

         If you have 2 video cards, connect the smaller one to the monitor and just use the 2080 for rendering.  I'm assuming you are using Windows 10, and from what I've heard, Win 10 allocates a significant amount of video memory for itself.  This will allow you to use the full specs of the 2080 for IRAY.  If you don't have 2 video cards, you are probably already using the 2080 because your motherboard and CPU PROBABLY don't support anything else.  All the AM4 socket motherboards ( Ryzen ) I have seen only support graphics from a different CPU that have it built in ( in the CPU ).  I use Televisions for monitors using the HDMI output.  HDMI's conduct sound as well so that handles the computer sound output.  If you want full Cinema style sound connect the HDMI to a surround sound system before the monitor, IF it has one.  Otherwise, you can connect speakers to either the audio output or you can get speakers that connect with the USB port.

                   Gus

  • starionwolfstarionwolf Posts: 3,670

    I think the computer has a discreet video card (NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080) and a GPU chip on the motherboard or central processing unit.  I'm not familliar with the new AMD motherboards or CPUs.  Good luck.  Sorry I couldn't help out more.

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805

    If all you care about is rendering performance you can get some, very minor gains, by connecting your monitor to the motherboard graphics output, assuming you have a CPU with integrated graphics, most Intel CPU's and some AMD ones.

  • tj_1ca9500btj_1ca9500b Posts: 2,057
    edited June 2019
    dougj said:

    I would recommend leaving the video cables the way they are now since you can only load drivers from one manufacturer ie. Nvidia, AMD, or Intel.

    Is this a Mac OS specific thing? 

    With Windows 10, I have both Radeon and Nvidia graphics in my system, and both work just fine.  I'm using the Vega integrated GPU for my monitor, and my Nvidia card for Rendering, and they are playing together nicely.  Both required driver installs, and I have both the Radeon and Nvida control panels at my fingertips.  My monitor is hooked up to the motherboard HDMI port, not the Nvidia port, and the Nvida card sits idle (around 140 MHz) most of the time.

    Asus and Acer even have unholy AMD + Nvidia hybrid laptop systems for sale with the AMD 3750H and Nvidia GTX 1660Ti.

    Also, a number of people here have been able to use Intel Integrated graphics for years in their desktop systems to drive the Daz (non-Iray) viewport, leaving their Nvida discrete GPUs 100% free for rendering.  Of course, some laptops lock out the integrated graphics in the BIOS, and of course if you motherboard doesn't have a suitable monitor port you can't use them.

    Of course, this is with Windows.  Mac OS might be different, although since I know people regularly hook up eGPUs to Mac systems, well I'd think that MacOS should be able to do this as well.

    Post edited by tj_1ca9500b on
  • dougjdougj Posts: 92
    dougj said:

    I would recommend leaving the video cables the way they are now since you can only load drivers from one manufacturer ie. Nvidia, AMD, or Intel.

    Is this a Mac OS specific thing? 

    With Windows 10, I have both Radeon and Nvidia graphics in my system, and both work just fine.  I'm using the Vega integrated GPU for my monitor, and my Nvidia card for Rendering, and they are playing together nicely.  Both required driver installs, and I have both the Radeon and Nvida control panels at my fingertips.  My monitor is hooked up to the motherboard HDMI port, not the Nvidia port, and the Nvida card sits idle (around 140 MHz) most of the time.

    Asus and Acer even have unholy AMD + Nvidia hybrid laptop systems for sale with the AMD 3750H and Nvidia GTX 1660Ti.

    Also, a number of people here have been able to use Intel Integrated graphics for years in their desktop systems to drive the Daz (non-Iray) viewport, leaving their Nvida discrete GPUs 100% free for rendering.  Of course, some laptops lock out the integrated graphics in the BIOS, and of course if you motherboard doesn't have a suitable monitor port you can't use them.

    Of course, this is with Windows.  Mac OS might be different, although since I know people regularly hook up eGPUs to Mac systems, well I'd think that MacOS should be able to do this as well.

    I recently switched to windows 10 and had problems when trying to run two different video cards. If most cases work, then please disregard my original post.

  • tj_1ca9500btj_1ca9500b Posts: 2,057
    edited June 2019
    dougj said:
    dougj said:

    I would recommend leaving the video cables the way they are now since you can only load drivers from one manufacturer ie. Nvidia, AMD, or Intel.

    Is this a Mac OS specific thing? 

    With Windows 10, I have both Radeon and Nvidia graphics in my system, and both work just fine.  I'm using the Vega integrated GPU for my monitor, and my Nvidia card for Rendering, and they are playing together nicely.  Both required driver installs, and I have both the Radeon and Nvida control panels at my fingertips.  My monitor is hooked up to the motherboard HDMI port, not the Nvidia port, and the Nvida card sits idle (around 140 MHz) most of the time.

    Asus and Acer even have unholy AMD + Nvidia hybrid laptop systems for sale with the AMD 3750H and Nvidia GTX 1660Ti.

    Also, a number of people here have been able to use Intel Integrated graphics for years in their desktop systems to drive the Daz (non-Iray) viewport, leaving their Nvida discrete GPUs 100% free for rendering.  Of course, some laptops lock out the integrated graphics in the BIOS, and of course if you motherboard doesn't have a suitable monitor port you can't use them.

    Of course, this is with Windows.  Mac OS might be different, although since I know people regularly hook up eGPUs to Mac systems, well I'd think that MacOS should be able to do this as well.

    I recently switched to windows 10 and had problems when trying to run two different video cards. If most cases work, then please disregard my original post.

    It's good to know when people have issues doing this.  Obviously it's a bit counter-intuitive, so more info r.e. those who have no issues, those that have issues, and those that weren't able to get it to work is helpful.  That's more of a Windows 10 thing than a Daz Studio thing though.

    I DID flip the switch in my BIOS that directs the system to use the integrated GPU graphics as opposed to the PCIe graphics.  That may or may not be helpful in my case.

    Post edited by tj_1ca9500b on
  • wscottartwscottart Posts: 447

    Glad I asked about this, now I will go experiment. Yes, running windows 10.  Thank you.

    Gusf1 said:
    wscottart said:
     

     

         If you have 2 video cards, connect the smaller one to the monitor and just use the 2080 for rendering.  I'm assuming you are using Windows 10, and from what I've heard, Win 10 allocates a significant amount of video memory for itself.  This will allow you to use the full specs of the 2080 for IRAY.  If you don't have 2 video cards, you are probably already using the 2080 because your motherboard and CPU PROBABLY don't support anything else.  All the AM4 socket motherboards ( Ryzen ) I have seen only support graphics from a different CPU that have it built in ( in the CPU ).  I use Televisions for monitors using the HDMI output.  HDMI's conduct sound as well so that handles the computer sound output.  If you want full Cinema style sound connect the HDMI to a surround sound system before the monitor, IF it has one.  Otherwise, you can connect speakers to either the audio output or you can get speakers that connect with the USB port.

                   Gus

     

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805
    dougj said:
    dougj said:

    I would recommend leaving the video cables the way they are now since you can only load drivers from one manufacturer ie. Nvidia, AMD, or Intel.

    Is this a Mac OS specific thing? 

    With Windows 10, I have both Radeon and Nvidia graphics in my system, and both work just fine.  I'm using the Vega integrated GPU for my monitor, and my Nvidia card for Rendering, and they are playing together nicely.  Both required driver installs, and I have both the Radeon and Nvida control panels at my fingertips.  My monitor is hooked up to the motherboard HDMI port, not the Nvidia port, and the Nvida card sits idle (around 140 MHz) most of the time.

    Asus and Acer even have unholy AMD + Nvidia hybrid laptop systems for sale with the AMD 3750H and Nvidia GTX 1660Ti.

    Also, a number of people here have been able to use Intel Integrated graphics for years in their desktop systems to drive the Daz (non-Iray) viewport, leaving their Nvida discrete GPUs 100% free for rendering.  Of course, some laptops lock out the integrated graphics in the BIOS, and of course if you motherboard doesn't have a suitable monitor port you can't use them.

    Of course, this is with Windows.  Mac OS might be different, although since I know people regularly hook up eGPUs to Mac systems, well I'd think that MacOS should be able to do this as well.

    I recently switched to windows 10 and had problems when trying to run two different video cards. If most cases work, then please disregard my original post.

    That's very odd. I've done many different combinations of this over the years and it has always worked. The datacenter I work at would basically shut down if we couldn't use the VGA out on the rack as well as the Quadro's at the same time.

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805
    dougj said:
    dougj said:

    I would recommend leaving the video cables the way they are now since you can only load drivers from one manufacturer ie. Nvidia, AMD, or Intel.

    Is this a Mac OS specific thing? 

    With Windows 10, I have both Radeon and Nvidia graphics in my system, and both work just fine.  I'm using the Vega integrated GPU for my monitor, and my Nvidia card for Rendering, and they are playing together nicely.  Both required driver installs, and I have both the Radeon and Nvida control panels at my fingertips.  My monitor is hooked up to the motherboard HDMI port, not the Nvidia port, and the Nvida card sits idle (around 140 MHz) most of the time.

    Asus and Acer even have unholy AMD + Nvidia hybrid laptop systems for sale with the AMD 3750H and Nvidia GTX 1660Ti.

    Also, a number of people here have been able to use Intel Integrated graphics for years in their desktop systems to drive the Daz (non-Iray) viewport, leaving their Nvida discrete GPUs 100% free for rendering.  Of course, some laptops lock out the integrated graphics in the BIOS, and of course if you motherboard doesn't have a suitable monitor port you can't use them.

    Of course, this is with Windows.  Mac OS might be different, although since I know people regularly hook up eGPUs to Mac systems, well I'd think that MacOS should be able to do this as well.

    I recently switched to windows 10 and had problems when trying to run two different video cards. If most cases work, then please disregard my original post.

    It's good to know when people have issues doing this.  Obviously it's a bit counter-intuitive, so more info r.e. those who have no issues, those that have issues, and those that weren't able to get it to work is helpful.  That's more of a Windows 10 thing than a Daz Studio thing though.

    I DID flip the switch in my BIOS that directs the system to use the integrated GPU graphics as opposed to the PCIe graphics.  That may or may not be helpful in my case.

    How old is your motherboard? Most systems autodetect which video outs are connected to monitors.

  • wscottartwscottart Posts: 447

    So, with some experimenting. Plugging into the processors video output...nothing. Plug back into the gpu and boom my monitor comes back. I looked at the set up section on cyberpowerpc and indeed they say plug into the gpu slot.

    I am such a fool for a few months have not been able to connect to wifi. I thought he antannae where some sort of installer tools (learning not to generalize everything and look closely at the details). Just realized they needed to be attached to the wireless card. omg! Now I have my wirelss connection operating.

    NOOB here, I've been too spoiled by my macs for too long!

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805
    wscottart said:

    So, with some experimenting. Plugging into the processors video output...nothing. Plug back into the gpu and boom my monitor comes back. I looked at the set up section on cyberpowerpc and indeed they say plug into the gpu slot.

    I am such a fool for a few months have not been able to connect to wifi. I thought he antannae where some sort of installer tools (learning not to generalize everything and look closely at the details). Just realized they needed to be attached to the wireless card. omg! Now I have my wirelss connection operating.

    NOOB here, I've been too spoiled by my macs for too long!

    What CPU is in your system? If its Ryzen it most likely doesn't have integrated graphics. If its Intel it most likely does, no matter what cyberpower says.

  • SpottedKittySpottedKitty Posts: 7,232
    Gusf1 said:
    If you have 2 video cards, connect the smaller one to the monitor and just use the 2080 for rendering.  I'm assuming you are using Windows 10, and from what I've heard, Win 10 allocates a significant amount of video memory for itself.  This will allow you to use the full specs of the 2080 for IRAY.

    Has this changed recently? The last time I read about this situation in the forums here, Win10 did the memory reserving whether or not the card had a monitor plugged in. I remember a quote from M$ along the lines of "you never know, you might suddenly decide to plug in a monitor, so the OS has to prepare the card for that".

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805
    Gusf1 said:
    If you have 2 video cards, connect the smaller one to the monitor and just use the 2080 for rendering.  I'm assuming you are using Windows 10, and from what I've heard, Win 10 allocates a significant amount of video memory for itself.  This will allow you to use the full specs of the 2080 for IRAY.

    Has this changed recently? The last time I read about this situation in the forums here, Win10 did the memory reserving whether or not the card had a monitor plugged in. I remember a quote from M$ along the lines of "you never know, you might suddenly decide to plug in a monitor, so the OS has to prepare the card for that".

    This is true on all consumer GPU. Professional GPU's, Quadro's, Radeon Pro's, can disable this.

  • wscottartwscottart Posts: 447

    I have the Ryzen cpu, at any rate for now I am plugging into the gpu port as the cpu port does not do anything when conected to the monitor. I was just dreaming I guess. Would be nice to have a dedicated gpu to only render the final product.

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