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which computer would be better in rendering in Daz Studio

EjziiEjzii Posts: 0
edited May 2019 in The Commons

Recently i decided to buy a new pc,due to the fact that my budget was very limited i decided to buy used one.I found two interesing computers:

First one:
CPU-Intel core i7 4770
RAM-2X Kingston HiperX 8GB
MOBO-Asus B85M-E
GPU-GTX 760 2GB
PSU-Corsair Builder CX 600W
DISC-SSD GOODRAM CX300 120GB and SSD GOODRAM IRIDIUM PRO 240GB

Second one:
CPU-i5 3350P
RAM-16GB
MOBO-Asus P8H77-M
GPU-GTX 970 4GB
PSU-Corsair VS 550W
DISC-WD 1TB

I wonder which would work better in rendering,I'm not going to upgrade anything in these computers in the near future.

 

 

 

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  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805

    The second would be better for Iray, neither would be very good mind you.

    The first one would be better using 3Delight. The first one would be very limited in how many assets you could have so keep that in mind.

  • JamesJABJamesJAB Posts: 1,766

    The second one.  (The 4GB GPU and 16GB of system RAM wins)

    If you have posesion of both systems.... I would take the GPU and RAM from the second system and put them in the first one.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175

    I'd pick the second one too if it were me. But I'm not you. You never said what render engine you prefer (I'm in the Iray camp).

    Laurie

  • JVRendererJVRenderer Posts: 664

    For Physically Based Renderers, the second one.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    Daz Studio Pro; 3D doesn't appear in the name.

    Daz is the company. :)

    The second for Iray rendering and the first for 3Delight. Both would run Studio and allow you to render; I can't say you'd enjoy the experience on either, but that might depend on how much of an improvement they are on your existing system.

    Look for 16GB of RAM; an i5 or Ryzen 5 processor at least and preferably a Ryzen 5 over Intel i5.

    Look for a Nvidia Graphics card with at least 6GB of RAM 900 series, at least. Alternatively look for a decent system without any decent graphics card and purchase that seperately.

    Yes you could render with less than 6GB; folks use 4GB and even 2GB - and they deserve a medal or something for the work they'll need to do to get scenes to fit.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,795

    Unless the 2nd one is 25% - 50%+ the price of the 1st one, I'm buying the 2nd one but as they are both likely overpriced by a large margin consider buying a new entry level consumer desktop computer instead.

    So then, this computer costs less than $400 at ¤379.99. Remember the 8th Gen i3 have 4 cores & 4 threads so it's actually better than getting an older generation i5 and probably most older i7s especially when you factor in the improved intel Integrated graphics card:

    https://smile.amazon.com/Acer-TC-885-ACCFLi3O-Desktop-i3-8100-802-11ac/dp/B07ML4GTCW/ref=sr_1_3?crid=99E3487NMGJV&keywords=desktop+computer&qid=1556827438&s=gateway&sprefix=desktop,aps,164&sr=8-3

    You then buy a used nVidia card cheap of better quality then the two listed in your question.

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679
    nonesuch00 said:

    Unless the 2nd one is 25% - 50%+ the price of the 1st one, I'm buying the 2nd one but as they are both likely overpriced by a large margin consider buying a new entry level consumer desktop computer instead.

    So then, this computer costs less than $400 at ¤379.99. Remember the 8th Gen i3 have 4 cores & 4 threads so it's actually better than getting an older generation i5 and probably most older i7s especially when you factor in the improved intel Integrated graphics card:

    https://smile.amazon.com/Acer-TC-885-ACCFLi3O-Desktop-i3-8100-802-11ac/dp/B07ML4GTCW/ref=sr_1_3?crid=99E3487NMGJV&keywords=desktop+computer&qid=1556827438&s=gateway&sprefix=desktop,aps,164&sr=8-3

    You then buy a used nVidia card cheap of better quality then the two listed in your question.

    Hold up.... 

    • 8GB DDR4 2666MHz RAM Memory & 16GB Intel Optane Memory

    Only 8GB of RAM? Optane is cool and all, but not as cool as having 16GB of RAM to start with.

    To op, the 2nd PC all the way for Iray. The 2nd PC has double the RAM and VRAM, and these are important to have, especially VRAM. I used to have a 970 for Daz myself, so I know exactly what it is capable of. I also used to have a 670 with 2GB, and it just so happens that the GTX 760 is in fact a rebranded GTX 670. What that means is that the 760 is functionally identical to a 670.

    So it just so happens that I have real experience with both GPUs you are looking at!

    The 760 with 2GB will be a serious handicap for Iray. You will be able very limited to how many people you can place in one scene together. You might get 2 or 3 max, and that is being generous. You probably cannot render very high resolution renders unless you go very simple with just one figure.

    The 970 with 4GB mostly doubles this, but not really. You get 4 or 5 characters in a scene, but you have to be mindful. Oh, and this is WITHOUT a 3D background. You might be able to use a very simple 3D background, but don't count on it. You can render some high resolution images with one or two figures. Resolution size also determines how many people and objects you can place in a scene.

    The 970 is also much faster than the 670. I forget exactly how much faster, but it is a pretty wide gap. They are not even close! So the 970 is completely superior as a GPU.

    Still, the 970 is also pretty old now, too. If you can do better...uh, please do so. However I also know that not everyone can budget for these things. I've been there.

    You may be better off buying a base computer that has no GPU at all and finding a used GPU to place in it. Almost every GPU I ever bought came from ebay! Just do your research on your seller. Your base PC can used for that matter, too, but unlike a GPU, I would feel a bit better knowing exactly who I am buying from. There are just too many things that could go wrong.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,795
    outrider42 said:
    nonesuch00 said:

    Unless the 2nd one is 25% - 50%+ the price of the 1st one, I'm buying the 2nd one but as they are both likely overpriced by a large margin consider buying a new entry level consumer desktop computer instead.

    So then, this computer costs less than $400 at ¤379.99. Remember the 8th Gen i3 have 4 cores & 4 threads so it's actually better than getting an older generation i5 and probably most older i7s especially when you factor in the improved intel Integrated graphics card:

    https://smile.amazon.com/Acer-TC-885-ACCFLi3O-Desktop-i3-8100-802-11ac/dp/B07ML4GTCW/ref=sr_1_3?crid=99E3487NMGJV&keywords=desktop+computer&qid=1556827438&s=gateway&sprefix=desktop,aps,164&sr=8-3

    You then buy a used nVidia card cheap of better quality then the two listed in your question.

    Hold up.... 

    • 8GB DDR4 2666MHz RAM Memory & 16GB Intel Optane Memory

    Only 8GB of RAM? Optane is cool and all, but not as cool as having 16GB of RAM to start with.

    To op, the 2nd PC all the way for Iray. The 2nd PC has double the RAM and VRAM, and these are important to have, especially VRAM. I used to have a 970 for Daz myself, so I know exactly what it is capable of. I also used to have a 670 with 2GB, and it just so happens that the GTX 760 is in fact a rebranded GTX 670. What that means is that the 760 is functionally identical to a 670.

    So it just so happens that I have real experience with both GPUs you are looking at!

    The 760 with 2GB will be a serious handicap for Iray. You will be able very limited to how many people you can place in one scene together. You might get 2 or 3 max, and that is being generous. You probably cannot render very high resolution renders unless you go very simple with just one figure.

    The 970 with 4GB mostly doubles this, but not really. You get 4 or 5 characters in a scene, but you have to be mindful. Oh, and this is WITHOUT a 3D background. You might be able to use a very simple 3D background, but don't count on it. You can render some high resolution images with one or two figures. Resolution size also determines how many people and objects you can place in a scene.

    The 970 is also much faster than the 670. I forget exactly how much faster, but it is a pretty wide gap. They are not even close! So the 970 is completely superior as a GPU.

    Still, the 970 is also pretty old now, too. If you can do better...uh, please do so. However I also know that not everyone can budget for these things. I've been there.

    You may be better off buying a base computer that has no GPU at all and finding a used GPU to place in it. Almost every GPU I ever bought came from ebay! Just do your research on your seller. Your base PC can used for that matter, too, but unlike a GPU, I would feel a bit better knowing exactly who I am buying from. There are just too many things that could go wrong.

    You buy a DDR4 8GB stick or 16GB stick can be had cheaper than the OP buying a 3rd Gen (7 years old) or 4th Gen (6 years old) intel CPU PC that likely will soon be outclassed by the newest versions of DAZ Studio with lots of new features due the 2nd half of this if the posts made by the DAZ worker about no Genesis 9 this year is to be believed.

    You're essentially asking him to skimp on $50 / $100 to buy a bit DDR4 RAM in order to buy a PC that the newest versions of DAZ Studio later this year are likely to completely overwhelm, resulting in almost a total loss having bought that older technology PC.

    Anyway, 8GB RAM + 16GB optane RAM = 24GB effective RAM. It's a much better deal than a 7 year old Gen 3 intel Desktop. 

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679
    I forgot i3's were quad cores now, but it doesn't matter.

    What is this pimp new version of Daz Studio that is going to overwhelm all these old PC's??? LOL. That's news to me. If Daz Studio suddenly makes old PCs a total loss, then the total loss will be Daz's business, because much of their customer base is on hardware much worse than the op listed. We got people on freakin laptops. Studio needs to be a light app on any machine it runs on, not more resource heavy.

    Its also quite well proven that Iray does give a hoot about what your CPU is. That isn't going to suddenly change anytime soon. We got people popping 1070s and 1080s into Core 2 Quads...how old are those things??? Those are much older than what the op listed. And they get along fine. They render exactly as fast as a brand new machine with a 1070 or 1080. Iray don't care. Plus I have spoken to some of these people and they reported that Daz Studio ran pretty smooth on their machine, again, a Core 2 Quad. Honestly that surprised even me. But it proves this is possible.

    I also don't recall seeing a price listed. You have no idea what they are looking to pay, and show him a machine that has no GPU and only 8GB of RAM. So that's 2 more investments needed. That's going to end up being a $600+ machine. If the op ends up buying a 1050 to go in it...it will render SLOWER than than old machine with a 970! To match or beat the 970, they need a 1060 6GB at least. A 1060 3GB would be worse, it would have to be a 6GB model. Buy that plus more RAM, and you go well past $600. Perhaps this is a better machine, but can the op afford that? Probably not.

    Optane is not "effectively RAM" either. Its cool tech, but it is not a substitute for actual RAM. The op would have to buy more RAM for that PC in order to not page file like crazy.
  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679
    edited May 2019
    Freaking forum software.
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  • EjziiEjzii Posts: 0

    Thanks you guys!,i will buy second one.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,795
    outrider42 said:
    I forgot i3's were quad cores now, but it doesn't matter.

     

    What is this pimp new version of Daz Studio that is going to overwhelm all these old PC's??? LOL. That's news to me. If Daz Studio suddenly makes old PCs a total loss, then the total loss will be Daz's business, because much of their customer base is on hardware much worse than the op listed. We got people on freakin laptops. Studio needs to be a light app on any machine it runs on, not more resource heavy.

     

    Its also quite well proven that Iray does give a hoot about what your CPU is. That isn't going to suddenly change anytime soon. We got people popping 1070s and 1080s into Core 2 Quads...how old are those things??? Those are much older than what the op listed. And they get along fine. They render exactly as fast as a brand new machine with a 1070 or 1080. Iray don't care. Plus I have spoken to some of these people and they reported that Daz Studio ran pretty smooth on their machine, again, a Core 2 Quad. Honestly that surprised even me. But it proves this is possible.

     

    I also don't recall seeing a price listed. You have no idea what they are looking to pay, and show him a machine that has no GPU and only 8GB of RAM. So that's 2 more investments needed. That's going to end up being a $600+ machine. If the op ends up buying a 1050 to go in it...it will render SLOWER than than old machine with a 970! To match or beat the 970, they need a 1060 6GB at least. A 1060 3GB would be worse, it would have to be a 6GB model. Buy that plus more RAM, and you go well past $600. Perhaps this is a better machine, but can the op afford that? Probably not.

     

    Optane is not "effectively RAM" either. Its cool tech, but it is not a substitute for actual RAM. The op would have to buy more RAM for that PC in order to not page file like crazy.

    Well even if this pimp new version of DS doesn't come out, laugh, unless the two computers the OP is talking about literally cost the price of a stick of RAM, like $50 or $100 or free, the new 8th i3 with 24GB RAM/optane is the better deal even on DAZ 4.11. That's just math.

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