Yang for G8M.. no gen materials??
manekiNeko
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https://www.daz3d.com/yang-and-expressions-for-genesis-8-male
a gorgeous character, awesome tattoo options, great eye colors, and even very good included facial expressions - the full package!
or maybe not - pun intended: no anatomical elements materials. NONE. zilch.
and it's a pity cuz this figure/product is otherwise excellent. so, i still congratulate them on their beautiful work and thank them for having created Yang..
but... c'mon, in 2019?? with G8M?? this is just... i mean, i already don't appreciate the fact that for many male monsters & creatures the gen mats materials are just omitted, but ok i can "accept" it, kinda - i'm personally not into monster erotica/anatomical accuracy, so nothing or maybe a bulge will do, no problemo - but a male human? i really can't.
the least creators could do is MENTION that there are no gen maps materials in the promo, cuz everyone would expect them to be included nowadays. this should be made mandatory by the sales dpt, because it's an incomplete description, and because imho a complete male human includes texture-wise skin, eyes, inner mouth.. and genitals.
it's like a car with 3 wheels or something ~ and no, not talking about a rishka 
, just something missing.
i would have bought him all the same, he's too good to pass, but it's annoying when you notice later.
luckily someone at rotica has created a great product allowing to create gen maps for such situations, with a bit of work involved, but feasible. still, gonna take me some time ~
EDITED TO CORRECT: i replaced gens maps with gen materials in this post (excepted where i talk about the script genmat maker) because G8 figures have meanwhile so many channels and map types in the iray materials that it's way more complicated than just creating and replacing a map as in M4 or G1 3DL...
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If anatomical elements maps/materials are not mentioned in the What's Included list then you have to assume there are none.
i thought this was a thing of the past... as it still happened frequently. i would have to look at all recent-ish male figures i bought, but i'd swear PAs stopped mentioning it because it's kinda expected nowadays. but yeah, i guess you're right if i follow the same logic as the one ruling the sharing of stuff made by others: unless it's expressly mentioned that you can, assume that you can't...
yup, hierarchical happens - you can imagine it's the first thing i tried. well, if it's not a close-up (and i don't really do those close ups, lol), i can just copy the torso material and scale/offset it, it doesn't really show at a distance - if i'm too lazy to really create the map myself. problem being that if i change the skin translucency etc, i can do it again >_<
Or just use the gen-maps from another figure and adjust the skin tones.
tried that, way worse.. not my 1st rodeo lol.. and meanwhile G8M or rather iray has so many different channels and maps and stuff, it's sisyphus work. takes less time with the genmap creator with better results than trying to adjust multiple channels to another skintone.. and i use Altern8 and Altern8 Lee 8 a lot too, mostly with Asian males who offer multiple translucencies..
and actually, with that map creator, you DO use the genmap from another figure - in gimp/PS not DS - but also the script copy-pastes somehow the torse texture of your figure.. i'd give the link but yeah, rotica...
first do the copy torso thing and then replace the maps with my new ones (and possibly bumps too and other greytone maps too) was best up to now.
He is described as "an Asian young guy" so might be considered a (late) teen, so no toast?
nope, no teen imho - especially not by Asian, finer/younger looking standards where often many 20 y.o look like 16 for us and many 37 y.o. appear to be barely 25 - he's pretty fit and adult i find... but maybe you're right as far as it's what the PA intended?
If you don't do close-ups then the skin texture is not really a big issue. Why not just use a G8M texture set from a character that does have gen maps?
If you have photoshop (or similar) and about 10 minutes, there is a utilty on 'rotica called "Texture Exchanger" from 3feetwolf. You just take the gens textures from a similar character and it will make a template to use in photoshop to adjust the color and save out textures (for your own personal use) you can use with that character. There are some adult characters and creatures that didn't come with them and you can make some decent textures fairly quickly.
because in that case it even easier to just copy-paste the torso texture and scale/offset it ^^
yup, that's the one i mentioned - i have it :)
it's an excellent tool. and i use it. however, the times where your material in 3DL only included a diffuse map and maybe a bump are over - with Yang since it's the figure i was talking about, and iray, the material is way complexer than just a diffuse - and there are even different translucency settings in the skin mat for lighter/darker skintones. so it's all do-able, takes first the work with texture exchanger, and THEN creating the iray materialS in the surface panel, and that takes a bit of time too. with exchanger, the new texture is almost done faster than all the material settings... luckily there usually aren't any tattoos or make-up options for "there" lol, that would make even more materials to re-create ;)
3rd party anatomical elements might be the solution...
uh??? i have the G8M original ones (from M8 pro), this (the mesh/prop) is not the problem - the TEXTURE+MATERIAL are. and i'm no big fan of 3rd party gens since you will have to adapt all materials included with the characters you buy every single time. 1-2 exceptions i wishlisted for possible purchase at some point, but i haven't needed their features yet in my stuff.
i wishlisted the D but haven't got it yet, i was waiting for an addon that apparently never came, hesitating between products... but i'm glad you mention it's so easy cuz with all addons for textures etc that are available for free or pay for it and the promos and explanation, i didn't grasp much. me confuzzles easily ;)
the problem with rotica is that there are a flurry of bits and new ones keep being created, with all sorts of addons and stuff - also since the view filter options for catalogs etc, which would be awesome if they worked, allowing me to only see male stuff, are borked, i'm sick of wandering thru mega tons of graphic chick stuff including the comics every time i browse around, that's why i don't especially like it there... >_< . i tend to keep my visits short and to the point, which means i probably miss a lot.
Yes, I realize that. And agree as well, I personally think every adult humanoid character should have the full set of textures. But that's obviously not something that Daz has any interest in mandating from the PAs, and as such will always be an issue. I was simply offering alternatives that are useable right now.
On the left side of the screen are some filtering options that help with weeding out the unwanted products. They aren't as robust as I would like, but I think they are actually a bit better than the ones here. There has also been a new product released by Laudanum that shows a lot of promise as it claims to be useable on essentially every figure of every generation and gender, and has a plethora of materials to help match it to the character used on. I've purchased it, but haven't had a chance to play with it yet. I also would like for all the characters to come with the materials by default, but until Daz decides to make it a requirement, that's not going to happen. And, frankly, the 3rd party ones available over at that site I find to be much more versatile and useful than the ones supplied in the pro-bundles here.
exact. usually i might get a slight little tad upset when i get comments that don't get the point of what i'm trying to say.
however i don't really mind answers that go a bit further, as long as they make sense, are not totally beside the point, and are not offensive - in this thread they were ok. ^^
i might have lost my patience trying back then to use exactly this left side of the sceen you mention, and not getting the results i wanted. i'm not patient, lol.
well anyways i'm out of a dcard at the moment, and until i'm liquid again, i guess new bits will be out.. but what you just mentioned, if it's useable for multiple figures, i'm gonna peek anyways.
and it's true that those elements from there offer more versatility, however, while i do nudes i usually don't do closeups (because i like to see the entire gorgeous character(s) lol, not cuz i'm a prude), also my renders are small-ish, so for this mid-distance the pro toast has been enough up to now, i haven't needed details. i'm not even sure of my skills yet in the sense of "am i able to render a realistic male" so i don't think this part is what i need to focus on as far as realism goes...
besides, i love gorgeous guys, not inflated deformed exaggerations, so many of those versatile features are not what i want... for me, having the full package with every adult male (including non-humans) i buy here would be enough, at the most maybe a tad more realistic nether regions but it's not a must. another thing is that i like having my whole stuff together, call it borderline ocd, but i hate shopping from too many places lol... and having my stuff spread all over my content panel. there is so much stuff i never use and even forget that i have just because it's not in the smart panel... did i mention i'm lazy? XD